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Well you definitely need to update your avatar now...you got your old red 250 on there and now you've got a blue 400 w/the lip on it.
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OK, I took the LIP on the road today. I only got up to 50 mph or so, but there is a difference. With the stock windscreen the airstream hit me full on the chest. With the LIP attached at its highest position, the bottom of the airstream is now just below my chin. It got better as I went faster. I can duck my head forward and get out of the wind entirely, though I really wouldn't want to ride very far this way.

Pro: I'm not fighting the wind, and the bike is undoubtedly more aerodynamic. I didn't feel any helmet buffeting at the speeds I was riding. It will certainly be more comfortable when it gets cold. (It hit 97 degrees F on my ride today). It's unobtrusive - the bike retains its original look. I found myself riding 5 mph faster without realizing it.

Con: There is more wind, and noise, at the helmet level. Hearing protection is even more of a necessity (I wear Hocks Noise Brakers). I found myself riding about 5 mph faster without realizing it.

BTW, I am 5'11" tall, with a 31" inseam.

Conclusion: I made it work; it's a keeper. Now Laminar Lip LLC just needs to increase the curve radius of the Lip to match the windscreen so that it's an easier install.
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At smrf's request I spoke with Leo at Laminar about the fit problem. He thought that it was only the lower left corner that was misaligned. I told him that I thought the Lip was curved with a smaller radius than the MP3's windscreen, as all four of the velcro dots don't lie flat.

What we decided was that he would send me another, ostensibly corrected, Lip and I could try it out. Unfortunately, it was exactly the same as the first one - too curved for the windscreen. I also tried it out on a 2007 MP3 250 windscreen I just happened to have in the garage. Same problem.

So I'm sending the second one back and keeping the one I already have installed. As I mentioned in a previous post, by flexing it a bit it works fine.

Leo sounded discouraged, and said that they may just pull this model from their line.
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I've got my replacement LIP from Leo but due to the rain and cooler temps have not been able to install it. It has a slight improvement I can see from the first lip but still has one lock that doesn't contact my windshield but this is based on me just holding the LIP up to my windshield. Leo's hopeful that when the sticky backs are removed and actually applied between the LIP and the windshield they'll stick. We'll see. Update to follow when it stops raining...not for a few days according to the weather 'forecasters'.
mpfrank wrote:
At smrf's request I spoke with Leo at Laminar about the fit problem. He thought that it was only the lower left corner that was misaligned. I told him that I thought the Lip was curved with a smaller radius than the MP3's windscreen, as all four of the velcro dots don't lie flat.

What we decided was that he would send me another, ostensibly corrected, Lip and I could try it out. Unfortunately, it was exactly the same as the first one - too curved for the windscreen. I also tried it out on a 2007 MP3 250 windscreen I just happened to have in the garage. Same problem.

So I'm sending the second one back and keeping the one I already have installed. As I mentioned in a previous post, by flexing it a bit it works fine.

Leo sounded discouraged, and said that they may just pull this model from their line.
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UPDATE 11/17/08
I got the replacement LIP installed on my stock windshield and we finally figured out the problem. The center of the LIP is too curved causing the sides to bend in too far. To resolve this for me, Laminar sent me extra locks and I put them into the center of the lip pulling it down and allowing the stock locks to adhere to my windshield. I've successfully been using the LIP for the past week!!

It was a hassle getting this on but I like the final result because I no longer have wind buffetting me in the neck and knocking my helmet around.

Thanks to Leo at Laminar for his patience in working with me.
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I finally gave up and returned both of the LIPs. The replacement was the same as the first (too curved, as smrf reported). but the main problem for me, and the reason I gave up on the workarounds was that it diverted the airstream directly on to my throat and up into my helmet. This really isn't going to work for me as the weather gets colder. Which I'm sure it will someday (my on-dash thermometer was in triple digits today!).

For someone a few inches shorter than me, I guess it can work.

Meanwhile, I just received a Fabbri tall windscreen which I plan to cut down to size. I had a medium on my previous MP3 and always wished it were a little taller.
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Gonna put the Can-Am Laminar Lip on my Givi medium windscreen but it's never above 70F, which is required for the adhesive!
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Hair-dryer? Or just give it longer to adhere...
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Both good ideas. It's in the low 60's Fahrenheit in the public garage where I park. You would think that if I leave it on for a few days longer it would work. I currently ride with my line of vision directly over my windscreen, which trains me to look 12 seconds ahead. I don't want to lose that so I think I will install the Laminar lip at the same level as the top of my screen. It's supposed to still help even if it's level with the top.
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