Modern Vespa

Wantga,
Having said all that, rebuilding is really rewarding, and you may easily get hooked doing it.

Wangta- you understand the difference between fully and semi-hydraulic, right?

Semi hydralic mean that there's still a bicycle cable in there... your levers pull a cable, which attaches to a master cylinder full of hydraulic fluid located SOMEWHERE ( usually down on the front fork ). From that point - the master cylinder, to the actual calipers is where it's hydraulic.

a fully hydraulic setup is like you see on stellas / new PX's, where the master cylinder is up on the headset, and when you pull the lever you're actuating the master cylinder itself. There's no bicycle cable at all in the equation.

Now, you've got to route a braided steel hose to carry the hydraulic fluid from the headset down to the brake caliper, which is a bit harder than routing a typical cable ). I think some folks do semi hydraulic because it allows you to maintain a stock looking vintage headset ( but on a p-series, who cares ) yet still gain the power of a hydraulic front disc brake.

i think if you've got a p-series headset, you might as well go fully hydraulic.

If you've got a GS or something, and MUST have a disc brake, then the grimeca semi hydraulic kit on a PK fork or something is what you do.

( even though i shudder a bit as i type that )

yup. Black box = master cylinder.

Is this it?

http://www.sip-scootershop.com/pages/index.php?ID=34658

I didn't see anyplace where it explicitly said it was full hydraulic, but perhaps its imbedded in the detail.

It does seem versatile though - can use different brake pads, etc.

But dang, it is pricey!!!!!!!!!! 312 euros???

Yes thats the one I have. Mine is semi hydraulic like Eric describes. It looks stock and is a straight forward bolt on. If you opt for the fully hydraulic it is my understanding that you will also need to replace the whole fork assembly (according to SIP) so thats a whole other headache.

I got very lucky and purchased mine from an old p200 that already had it on the fork. I paid 275 for the brake + an hour labor. They swapped my fork for
for the Grimeca one and voila !

I LOVE the disc brake, it makes a HUGE difference.

Huh. Why would it need another fork? That sounds like a nightmare.

What you have is a 200cc Italian shopping bike. Do you go shopping on it or do you wanna raise hell.
Bitubo are crap can't get em regassed and the springs never seem to be set right even if you get the adjustable . Sebac are like hens teeth since the company went tits up.
As for disk brake get fully not semi then its not half n half, too much to mess with to set it well.

so youre saying sebac absorbers are the better ones??...is there any other brand that will definitly improves your shock and better handling during those coners at the same time

maybe the pinasco kit can stay in the cupboard till i find a pre leccy start p then i can go sidestand with real expansion exhaust etc and cut some of the excess panels off

Take note----- If you fit a sidestand never leave it on tickover while stood on it . Oil will spit out of the breather and you'll have a nice oil covered engine Or if you don't care do it they make your scoot look too cool

checking...is P200E and PX200E the same bike...or rather the same engine??