Modern Vespa

Just read it.....

....and?

read it a couple of weeks ago, basically the 300 has better accelertaion, but the 250 is a little better round town. The impression I got from the write up is don't bother changing your 250 for a 300, but if you have netiher then go for the 300

I'd love to see the actual acceleration numbers and then test ride both scooters back to back.

250 is better around town only because of the softer suspension....

A summary.

300's top speed is a couple of miles an hour over the top speed of the GTV (300 without the GTV's flyscreen!)

Away from standstill the 300 out accelerates the 250.

Also out accelerates the 250 in rolling starts at 30, 40, 50 and 60.

In town no real advantage as the 250 would catch up.... (eventually - but so would a 50cc!).

Firmer 300 suspension leads to better handling, especially at speed. Much firmer. Much better tyres.

MPG the same, except when the 250 was trying to keep up with the 300 at high speed work, when the 250 was LESS economical.

New converts should buy the 300, but 250 owners will not really benefit that much by upgrading...

Thanks for the summary review.

I would definitely appreciate more acceleration on my gts, however if the 300 is not that much quicker than I'll pass.

I wonder how the 300 stacks up against the Honda sh300.

[quote="dougl65"] What brand/model tires come from the factory on the 300?

Was at the scooter dealer today (getting the GTV serviced) and they should be getting the 300's next spring - which gives me plenty of time to come up with a justification to have 4 scoots in the garage.

How much faster can it be? It's only 34cc's more in displacement so there can't be that much of a difference.
I REALLY like Vespa products but I think they dropped the ball by not making the 300 a REAL 300cc or 310cc scooter. Now, THAT would give it a noticeable kick in the pants over the GTS.
Sorry, Vespa.....................but you won't be getting any of my $$$$$ for this mis-named 300.
((But we sure do like our GTS')

Those canny Italians! They've managed to introduce a new model & object of desire without alienating their current GTS owner client base!


Regards
Harvey

sorry, minor hijack ... my lovely mechanic has just got a used 250ie into the shop, in need of some work. once it's up and running i've been asked to test drive it to make sure it's fit for sale. oh dear. if i can manage to push it up the ramp into my parking spot, it may have to be mine....

oh, right - the thread topic. well, here is one non-owner who is considering getting a 250 rather than a 300

get it genie!

you won't regret it.

+1

Buy it Genie, you need it! 8)

we'll see. if i like it better than wilma, and if i can maneuver it into the parking spot, and if he offers me a decent trade, then ... maybe, just maybe....

I'm curious, alot of us have added pipes, corsa boosters, and/or variators to our 250's...does the 300, er, 278, have anything on us?

If anything it likely offers similar or better performance without modding your bike and getting stock reliability. At least that's what I would guess.

[quote="Bill G"] Pirelli GTS23 120/70-12 front and GTS24 130/70-12 rear
We are getting in GTS24 140/70-12 for rear of any GTS/GTV/300 Super which are Special order out of Europe for sale at our dealership in Burlington, Ontario CDN. Super300's are supposed to be in by Mid December...so we are told.

Curious, if we will be able to add any additional toys to the 300 on day one to help make it even go faster? I like my LV pipe on the GTV so would like to stay with the LV.

Adding a flyscreen will probably make a huge difference to the 300. I like mine without, but maybe sometime, Vespa now do a smoked one. The LV for the 250 will also fit. I'm sure the Corsa power module will also go on.

Hey not only is that flyscreen smoked, it is a different shape than the current model by Vespa, it is more rounded, nice.

Two compared - they are completely different


This is NOT me btw..... (I did used to weigh a similar weight though )

So do the GTS 250 "Supers" in the states have the feel and suspension of the GTS 300'S?

They certainly have the Pirelli tires.

[quote="VespaBurlington"] I believe these are the tires on my BV500. I really like them.

If they have the red front spring then they have the 300 feel. The rears are the same part number.

The 300 engine is stronger. It has a longer stroke, so it makes more torque. It also doesn't spin as much rpm to generate power. The info below was gathered from the net to compare it to the 200 and may not be the latest specs.

........................ GT200 ................................. GTS300
Displacement... 197.78cc............................... 278cc
bore/stroke..... 72mm x 48.6mm .................. 75mm x 63mm
Horsepower.... 21 hp [15.4 kW]@8500 ........ 21.19 hp [15.8kW]@7500rpm
Torque............ 12.9 lb-ft [17.5Nm]@6500 .... 16.45 lb-ft [22.3 Nm]@5000rpm

Dougl65,
was it difficult to put that rack and backrest on your 300? Did you simply replace what came on the scott with a whole new kit?

thanks

No no NO NO NO

This is not me it is a pic of Gavskin on the UK GTS forum, the rack is available from here made by cuppini

http://www.scooterworks.com/Rear_Rack_GTS250_-_Cuppini_P4547C277.cfm

So is the backrest. Screws right on....

Erm I don't want to hijack this thread Doug but I finally met the 950 mile GT200 and it's owner this evening.
Billy-no-scoot

Please don't keep us in the dark.

We know how much you like to play games....

Love and flirtatiousness D

Well I finally met the owner of the green 950 mile GT200 this evening and it all checks out. It has the original tyres, mot and tax and the exhaust hasn't turned from matt black to rusty brown. It's also had it's first 600 mile service stamped. It's had its starter system - from button to starter replaced under warranty and it all checks out under the seat. It still smells of a new engine which tells me it's all good.
There are a couple of small chips in the lower skirts but nothing that won't touch in.
He even brought copies of the mot's and V5.
It's looking good I must say.
Billy-no-scoot.

2 questions how much for a fly screen and do all gt200's have thier mileage in kilometers ?

About £65 or £50 if you are lucky. Shop around.

Yes they do. All the UK GTs and 300s have KM odometers. God knows why. They managed to do miles for 'merkins.

Thanks Doug. I wanted to make sure it wasn't an nasty import.
What impressed me was the exhaust header wasn't even rusty like most of them are. I think a nice little fly screen would finish it off.
I've got a couple of days to think about it and I'm looking for excuses not to. Can't find that many.
Billy-no-scoot

GTS 250 i.e.
CYLINDER CAPACITY..............244cc
BORE x STROKE......................72 mm x 60mm..... 22 hp
MAX TORQUE...........................14.9 lb-ft @ 6,500 rpm



GTS300
Cyllinder capacity...............278cc
Bore & Stroke..........75mm x 63mm....... 21.19 hp
Max Torque.........16.45 lb-ft @5000rpm

Your power figures are slightly wrong the 300 actually has a miniscule amount more power that the 250. See here:

Mileage of 300 Super vs 250 GTS (Post 487379)

Dougl65: I took the figures for the 300 from this post in this thread:

OK I give up... you guys believe what you want.

I agree. Vespa have released a 300 version of their Quasar engine that develops less power than their 250.

Go figure.

The thread that I quoted above has links to the Vespa Italy specs.

15.8 KW for the 300 21.5CV @ 7500 rpm
15.7 KW for the 250 21.3CV @ 8500 rpm

Yep - still paying off my GTS.

and I am very happy with her!