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Just finished installing two Givi E21 cases on my 250, using the Fehling rackmounts from Twistedthrottle.com. Minor mods needed to work with Givi topcase mount (longer bolts behind backrest), but no real problems. Pics:

Nice, I plan on adding those to mine but I don't see/find the Fehling rackmounts you refer to on twisted throttle??

I have sidecase racks coming from Germany.

Yeah it's weird. I ordered them in March, they arrived in October. Then I went to look at the twistedthrottle website and I can't find them listed.

Anyway, on my receipt the part number is FHG.7268KH, price $189.99.

Maybe give them a call if you want some. If they can't find it, ask 'em to look up their Sales Order number 32627.

Craig.

Ordered in March, delivery in October!! Ughhh...

Well, I just wanted to compare price (mainly) since I have sideracks en route from Germany and to see if twisted throttle had any install instructions in case I run into problems with mine. They were posted on the 8th and was told I should have them in two weeks, so we'll see. But, mine are specific to the mp3 and to mounting the E21 cases...only problem was I had to use google translate to purchase them (sidecase moutns and mp3 luggage rack for my Coocase S48 topcase) and I paid in Euros so the exchange hit hard...all in all the price was about the same you paid for your racks.

But they look good on the scoot!!

that looks nice! now we need to see one on an mp3 500

Smrf FYI the racks I bought from twistedthrottle are in fact made specifically for the MP3, both the 125 and 250. Don't know for sure that they'll fit the 400 but I don't see why not.

The install instructions, even from TT, were all in German. However, the three photos on the instruction sheet are more than enough to let you know all you need.

Craig.

I've been thinking if I get some time over Xmas, while I'm not riding and I'm out of school, that I might fabricate some. I plan on making a pair that match the 'vented' angular look of the side front panels. They'll be made of reinforced fiberglass and hard plastic and I'll probably swipe the latches off of something else, like small travel suitcases. You give me enough time, I can fabricate ANYTHING. I can't tell you crap about engines or peformance stuff, but I'm a pretty good 'modder'.

BTW, I'm almost positive these would fit(you'd just have to fasten your own rack assembly on the rails)
http://www.binetto.com/SHAD-Motorcases/SHAD-SH-43-Motorcase-Side-Cases.aspx

Only problem is $460 a pair...ouch! They're higher because they can also be 'color matched' via plates. In other words, you just swap out plates to color change them.

Hey Craig, I finally got my racks installed What a day-got my 600 mile service, first rain & chrome (Post 504229)

and I think they're the same ones you got from TwistedThrottle that I purchased directly from Germany. My question is this...in the German only paperwork/instructions and the bolt/screws/mounts...did you receive two sets of mounting brackets for the sidecases?? I see where there are two sets of screw holes to attach supposedly to two sets of brackets that go under the fairings but I only got the 'Z' shaped ones for the back half. Did you receive the straight pieces for the front of the mounts? I see them in the instruction sheet pictures. I wonder if my racks/sidecases will be stable and strong enough without them??!!

I tried to order them from TwistedThrottle and they said they couldn't order them any more. Does anyone know who would carry them? Thanks.

R.B.

Hi R.B., I bought mine from a German reseller. You can see the manufacturer info and reseller info on my prior post at https://modernvespa.com/forum/topic35664?sid=6504350549fdb9de4ef28efbe375db28 ***UPDATE 11/06/08 The original posting info about the reseller in Germany has been updated and is NO longer recommended. See post for more info.***

Let me know if you need/want exact part numbers. I bought the rear luggage rack, side case mounts (specific to Givi E21 only available - but with some mods could probably do any side case,) and 'fitting' kits for the mounts (set of what look like spacers and more screws/washers) to the kits (I was told to order two of them but received four - so I don't know if they actually sell them in pairs and I over-ordered or they mis-shipped)

The reseller can email in broken English or you can use something like Google translate to communicate.

The mounting instructions included with the parts are in German only and very vague anyways.

It took 2 1/2 weeks to receive.

Smrf,
Just to be sure,as of now the there is no Mp3 rack made for the larger cases? I was looking at the GIVI 36 - 45 liter side cases,Nice. Ok Thanks.

Not when I was on the site in Germany...but I think for those handy at doing adaptations they could make modifications to make the bigger sidecases fit on these sidecase racks. I'll go out and measure them tomorrow with some close-up pics if you like but you'll see these sidecase mounts are flush the side case would be screwed to them. The sidecases do not have any top, side or bottom chrome supporting or enclosing them so I don't see what would limit a person to adding bigger sidecases...just need secure screwholes put into the sidecases you wanted to match up with the existing sidecase mount screwholes.

smrf

When you get your E 21 cases will you be able to unlock them and take them off the scoot or are the hard mounted? I would want to be able to take the off and into a hotel room like luggage.

Thanks R.B.

Bob... from twistedThrottle's website:

The E21 Cruiser cases are rapidly growing in popularity due to their compact size and appearance. These cases have been designed to present the narrowest possible profile when mounted while still retaining a reasonable storage capacity, making them ideal travel companions in both city traffic or longer tours.

Of course, these cases are equipped with the same Monokey system that allows the bags to be opened, closed, locked, and removed with only one key. The cases lock both closed and to the rack.

That's according to the website... HEY CRAIG are you reading this.... since you have the cases already mounted...are they removable as advertised AND do they have a carry handle??

Far as I know all Givi bags,trunk have the same mount, so you should be able to put larger bags on. The Givi's also have built in handles and come on/off. I have a Givi set on a motorcycle.

But be forewarned, the regular Givi bags are wide and could effect your scooter handling at higher speeds.

The mounts look great. I am overwhelmed trying to navigate the German language web page. Maybe one of the U.S. vendors out there will pick up this product. Several of them have already learned how to work the international issues. Otherwise I would not have a Fabbri wind screen and Heindenau tire.

Hi Craig

I think the pics have been stripped out of the post. Can you please attach/link to them again for your scoot?

I wish there was an American vendor too but as you can see dealing with the German companies can be a pain which is maybe why Twisted throttle stopped carrying the case...maybe.

I used Google Translate and it did a fairly decent job.

Maybe someone like Scooter Trap will pick them up. Matt, are you listening?

Please post any updates if anyone has attached hardcases to the 500! I'm looking to get mine done next year and need to figure out if I can do it myself, or ger a welder involved in something custom

Piaggio has a factory topcase for the 500 now. I posted about it last week or the week before... https://modernvespa.com/forum/topic37083?highlight=

Also look at this prior thread of mine Alternate Accessories - UPDATED 02/05/11 (Post 481176)

Yep, I will look into it. Usually, these kind of companies demand minimums so the demand has to be there to make it worth it. I will let you know if communication works....

Matt C.

Craig your DIY luggage rack on the top case inspired me. I used Home Depot drawer pulls too, fender washers, waterproof gasket caulk, LocTite, and lock-washers. I made many wrong turns but stuck with it.

Sorry, should have clarified - looking for a pannier system of some type. I've been digging through links for about a week now, and I'm certain there's no 'stock' mounting kit for the 500.

I'll probably check out the motorcycle show over the winter and see if I can get away with soft cases, though I love the look of the big aluminum boxes.

I had a big Givi on my GTS and used it sparingly... just didn't like the look of it. On the MP3 and 500, the topcase seems to fit even higher and further back which just ruins the lines for me.

Nice DIY luggage rack addon. I didn't even notice those on craig's topcase until I saw this post...I had to scroll back to the pics and do a double take.

Will think about doing that too...have to wait and see how high the Coocase sits on my scoot but i love the simple concept of using drawer pulls.

Saw an add for "scooter saddlebags" on another forum. Might be a reasonable option if it fits OK on MP3. Looks like easy on and off. Check it out here: www.formosabags.com

Sorry folks I haven't been following the thread. As I told Smrf in a private email, the mounts on the racks should fit any monokey case. I can take my monstrous E52 topcase and hang it on the side, because the mount is the same.

And yes, they pop right off when unlocked so you can carry them off with you.

I think the reason the Fehling racks are only specified for use with the E21s is that any larger case will probably obscure the tail and signal lights from the side, so it's likely a legal/liability issue. Having said that, if you wire in some auxillary lights...

There may also be an issue with cornering clearance with larger cases because, as you see, even the E21s stick out a fair way sideways. But if you're not carving any corners you should be fine. The racks attach to the frame at three points and seem solid enough to support bigger bags.

I'm sorry to hear Twisted Throttle isn't carrying them anymore. Like I said, I waited about six months for them to arrive, so I'm surprised they only ordered one set.

Givi offers two different models of "scooter specific" saddle bags, T-427 & T-438N. Matt at Scooter Trap carries them, or you can get them from your local Givi dealer. I have a set of the T-427's. I've never tried them on the MP3, just because I haven't had a need to do so, but have used them on the Honda Silver Wing several times. They look good and work well. If anyone is interested, I can mount them on the MP3 this weekend and take some pictures.

I've thought about saddlebags a few times because of their ease of use and wide availability in all sorts of styles. My only problem is theft could be an issue. Any saddlebags that are locked and locked onto the bike? I know they could still be cut, but I could live with that chance. Just be nice to have some that couldn't simply be opened or pulled off the bike with a quick tug.

A hard pannier system generally has locking cases attached/latched/locked to a frame that is hard-mounted to the bike.

After a few days of searching, I'm betting the only option for the 500 is to purchase a 'universal' attachment frame and get some custom bending and welding done to attach it to the 500. I haven't found any kits like they have available for the 250/400 MP3 frame style.

Expensive though, so I'm considering soft cases too.

Dave

Dave,

I purchased two pairs of inexpensive 1" dogbone risers from Ebay as the foundation for hard-mounted Beverly cases. Total was less than $75 including hardware and additional pieces of aluminum to complete it. No welding, just cutting & drilling.

Risers from Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Custom-Alloy-Dog-Bone-Handlebar-Risers-4-tall-1-bars_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ34284QQihZ006QQitemZ160290878863

SWEET! Thanks for the info Lex!

Sweet setup, Lex. I just ordered a set of those dogbones for a footpeg installation.

Hi Craig, if it wouldn't be too inconvenient could you snap me two photos with your sidecases off. I'd like to see what the outside side of the sidecase looks like that mounts to the chrome and of one of the chrome with the adaptor plate/base, etc.. sorry I've never had a bike or Givi luggage before so I'm still trying to understand their mounts and universal attachments. Thanks!

SMRF if you do this my advice to you is to make a template of your drawer pull holes prior to drilling. Even though I measured with a ruler, I drilled wrong (the washers with gasket goo cover it up). You do not want to be putting unneccessary holes in your topcase.

Good idea, thanks! SMRF if you do this my advice to you is to make a template of your drawer pull holes prior to drilling. Even though I measured with a ruler, I drilled wrong (the washers with gasket goo cover it up). You do not want to be putting unneccessary holes in your topcase.[/quote]

Here are some more recent photos. I covered the mounting hardware with sheetmetal and painted the cases flat black.

Man, that looks great. Can I ask you where you bought your Piaggio sidecases and where did you get your topcase? I really like the look of those...

The side cases were purchased used from Ebay. I've seen about 3 sets offered for sale since I purchased my side cases for $180 in May.

Here is an auction that recently ended:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Other-Vehicle-Parts__piaggio-bv-200-hard-cases-silver-never-used_W0QQitemZ230303657408QQadnZOtherQ20VehicleQ20PartsQQadiZ2878QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230303657408&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A13%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

The topcase is a Givi V46 purchased from RL Motorcycles (www.rlmotorcycles.com), they have very good service and reasonable shipping rates.

looks really nice!! good job man!!!