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So I don't hijack a current thread, who has had a laydown or accident and how would you say your gear held up?

Helmet-Arai FF
Gloves-none
Footwear-docs
Clothing-5.0 corazzo/jeans

IE:(scale 1-10)
Noggin ok (10)
5.0 held my compound fracture inside the jacket. (8)
I'm not interested in mudslinging or incriminations, just your rating.
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my FF helmet (G-Max) shield broke off, but the helmet did its job of protecting my noggin.

Jacket & gloves: Dainese. Both did not tear or pull up or off as I was break dancing.

My jeans didn't tear, but I still got road rash.

I have steel toe boots and I think they helped because they were really scuffed up on top, but every strand of toe hair was still there.
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Hit doing at least 35mph, flipped over the car and rolled at least 3-4 times on the pavement.

Helmet: HJC open face: I rate a 10. There wasn't even any external evidence of an impact. No scratches on the paint or anything. The faceshield had a small scrape, and that's it. I had no ill effects on my head, save for a scrape on my nose that wasn't even red an hour later.

Gloves: none at the time

Footwear: Sketchers Sport sneakers: I rate an 8. These were my favorite all-around sneakers at the time, and had been through a lot of abuse already. I scraped them pretty hard while rolling on the pavement. A few months later, the scrape turned into a hole in the canvas near the sole. Not bad at all, considering they were only meant for jogging around a track.

Clothing: Levi red tab jeans and a tie-dye t-shirt. Rate a 10 in this particular case. Nothing happened to any of my street clothes until the paramedics arrived. Pissed me off, because they chopped up my clothes and I (personally) didn't feel there was a reason to. My fave jeans at the time, unfortunately. A previous accident, however, jeans didn't do squat, and actually seemed to aid in gravel getting stuck in my knee.
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Thanks,
I will get gloves now! Break dancing brought the crash image crystal clear.
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Not to change the point of this post, because I am really interested in what people have to say about gear, and sorry if this has been addressed in a previous post, but what about why people crashed? I am nervous about the idea of crashing (obviously) and would like to know what has caused people's crashes in general.
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Armor jacket
leather work gloves
FF helmet
Jeans
and Chuck all-stars

Went down going around 30 or a little less. The only thing that took any damage were my jeans and the shoe lace on my chucks. Ended up with a little road rash on my knee and a fx rib that healed in about 2 months. None of my protective gear was touched
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Not to change the point of this post, because I am really interested in what people have to say about gear, and sorry if this has been addressed in a previous post, but what about why people crashed? I am nervous about the idea of crashing (obviously) and would like to know what has caused people's crashes in general.
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my FF helmet (G-Max) shield broke off, but the helmet did its job of protecting my noggin.

Jacket & gloves: Dainese. Both did not tear or pull up or off as I was break dancing.

My jeans didn't tear, but I still got road rash.

I have steel toe boots and I think they helped because they were really scuffed up on top, but every strand of toe hair was still there.
IS break dancing another hidden word thing?
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? HJC ? Sy-Max II helmet- only scratched visor...
Walmart Jeans slight tear in knee, size of a half dollar.
Joe Rocket mesh jacket- not a mark on it but the armor moved around and gave me a bad burn on elbow.
Redhead Boot- rubber toe guard has a small bite taken out of it and the toe leather scuffed up..
Leather gloves ( unknown purchase from Honda) 1/4" hole in palm
Guard rail which helped me come to a stop- not a scratch on it.
Impact was around 35-40 MPH upon impact ( I am sorry I did not check speedo I was a little distracted)
I am now working on a way to make a suit out of guard rails, will get back to you..
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I had a drive belt break and load up in the case just enough to feel like someone grabbed my back brake full blast just for an instant, in a corner, at almost 70mph. That stood me up, and sent me off the road, as I was tracking a line that left only about a foot to the outside towards the crumbling shoulder.

My GPS read: 66mph, then one second later read 5mph then zero.
I was thrown really, really far. I dont know how far. at least 50 feet. Jess? Estimates? (jess was right behind me at the time).

His description is my favorite thing ever, as he said it was like if you took a gingerbread man, and threw it like a chinese throwing star... that was me, at freeway speeds. Head over heels like so many times I lost count, and had plenty of time to think, "wow, this STILL isnt over?" I seriously thought that TWICE during the flying, and then tumbling part of the wipeout.

I got up immediately (like an idiot) and started swearing and spitting out gritty dirt/gravel that had scooped up into my FF shoei. I couldnt see a damn thing because the facesheild looked sandblasted/scraped up beyond belief. I was incredibly disappointed that a mechanical failure had tossed me, but really really glad to be standing up and swearing a lot and spitting out gravel.
I kneeled back down an took stock of my digits and limbs: Nothing.
I felt like I had been in a schoolyard fight with a couple of guys, but nothing more than that. Maybe if one of them had a baseball bat...
But with full gear on: armored pants, jacket, my GP alpinestars gloves, FF shoei, alpinestars riding boots (black label)... I was fine, an I got on a borrowed GTV and rode the rest of the 400 mile day, and continued to push as hard as I could on a borrowed scoot to come back all the way to second place in the cannonball.
The gear. It is about the gear.
Ever wonder what it would be like to wipeout on the highway at 65+ ? I did it, and kept riding.
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For the list of best protective gear:
Chinese throwing stars
Tie-dye shirts
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Hi All,
When I had my Sprint ST I highsided into a metal upright of a bridge. Speed at the time forward was 40-45, lateral acceleration from the high side unknown. The impact diret on the upright. Gear at the time Tecniks Chicane riding suit. Lightning armoured boots, KBC TK-77 FF helmet, Robotek armoured gloves. Still alive still have all my parts and am still riding. I attribute my current undisabled state to two things the LORD, and my gear. If it weren't for the grace of the LORD and the gear I was wearing, I would no doubt be dead. How important is gear....well how important is your life?
BTW I did suffer multiple injuries, some very much life threatening.

Ride safe, Ride long.
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This post has made me very concerned. I am looking to get my scooter first of spring. For some reason I never thought about the risks of ownership and riding while considering this future purchase.
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My FF helmet was visibly fine, but I replaced it anyway. My heavy leather jacket was only scuffed, and my gloves were only frayed. My jeans didn't rip, but got frayed enough that they now ARE ripped a year and a half on. I was very lucky. But the basic gear held up well.
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didn't hit my head so the helmet is ok. onix opus gloves scuffed but held up perfectly. fred perry track jack has a mild scuff on the elbow (my elbow looked worse). clarks desert boots no damage.
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This post has made me very concerned. I am looking to get my scooter first of spring. For some reason I never thought about the risks of ownership and riding while considering this future purchase.
Just switch "motorcycle" with "scooter" and see if your considerations change. They're one and the same. I guess you could include bicycle on the list too... the only difference is the speed at which you may crash, or be hit.

Personally I feel more vulnerable on my little old PX than I did on the GTS.

Keep researching - it's good to know what you're getting into!

Back to the topic - three years riding and I haven't crashed (yet), but giving serious consideration to armoured jeans/pants. Currently I rock a FF, Corrazo Jacket and Gloves, and thick pants/jeans.
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Just switch "motorcycle" with "scooter" and see if your considerations change. They're one and the same. I guess you could include bicycle on the list too... the only difference is the speed at which you may crash, or be hit.
My mom is an avid bicycle rider. She's unfortunately been hit by cars a few times... to the point where she's had her jaw re-wired and had to have false teeth implanted (because they got knocked out). Her neck is messed up to the point where if she seriously hurts it again, she might be paralysed.

I guess I've been lucky. I've been down about as many times as she has, and the worst I ever got was a severely broken arm and the temporary copy of a hot manhole cover burnt into my skin. Paramedics said it wouldn't have mattered if I'd had an armored jacket, the particular way my arm broke. Actually, it would have made it harder for them to work on me, if they'd had to cut something like that away. [Still, I just bought a Corazzo 5.0 to break in before I get my Vespa. ]
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Reason:
2-4" thick layer of sharp gravel on the road where I was trying to make a low-speed turn (back when I was a newbie)

Shoei RF-1000 full-face helmet: excellent protection

Really ugly MotoGP jacket with CE armor: excellent protection

Expensive & beautiful leather Joe Rocket gloves: poor protection, have not bought anything from them since

Merrell Chameleons: sharp gravel cut through the tonge area and into my foot
I see they've since added a leather bit there (in this recent model)
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Capri pants: no protection from them (scuffed up my knee)
Fortunately the wide GT floorboards & chassis protected my legs for most of the crash

This was fairly traumatic and had a big impact on the riding gear that I now think a newbie should wear
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The Corazzo 5.0 jacket gets a 10 for my slide on gravel into a guardrail, with a forward flip into the ditch on the other side. GTS totalled. No upper body injury.

Draggin jeans (lined with Kevlar, the ones from Australia) get a 10 for the same accident. I had abrasions inside but they did not rip. Same jeans held up well in the accident below.

The Corazzo shop jacket gets a 10 for when a driver ran a stop sign and knocked me off my VNB. I did a shoulder roll on the hood and only had a bruise from the shoulder pad.

I wore 3/4 helmets in both accidents but was lucky not to hit my chin; now I'm riding with a flip-up full-face.
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woot I had a bus pull out on me landed on my back sliding down the road, and also hit an oil slick 4 week later

Jacket IXS with some armor in it
glove weiss streetfighters
helmet kbc
pants were normal jeans

barely scratched both times helmets held up well

always protect ya head and body mainly back/spine

this should be enough for sccoter riding

only need to look like a power ranger if ur on some serious sports bikes
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i have not wrecked, though almost did the other day.

i used to work with a guy who road a crotch rocket. he was really into high speed performance riding. He told me that one morning he was out early, riding back roads at over 100mph. he hit a curve at a small underpass/tunnel. he hit gravel, and went down and slid on his side into the creek. he said it happened so fast that one min. he was going into the tunnel and the next he was in the creek.
he was wearing a full leather riding suit, boots and a FF. he walked away with out a scratch... and some broken ribs.
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Bosco---

Don't let this deter you.

The more you know about riding, the better it gets.
To be cliche, and ounce of protection and "peace of mind" is worth
it's weight in gold.

If you haven't already take the MSF rider course, and you'll have a strong foundation for riding safe.

And bolster it with all the tips and wealth of info. on this great MV community....

Best....
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To be cliche, and ounce of protection and "peace of mind" is worth
it's weight in gold.
At that rate... my Corazzo (about 2lbs?) is worth around $24,000 with gold at $750 an ounce. Any takers? I'll throw the "peace of mind" in for free!

No joke... go down without enough protection... maybe you get lucky and walk away... maybe not. Think of it as insurance against an obscene hospital bill.
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I was hit from the side (T-boned) by a left-turning car as I went through an intersection at 30 mph. I went flying about 30 feet. My left foot was crushed and I'll be recovering from that for a while.

However...

I was wearing an armored mesh jacket and pants (Fieldsheer), motorcycle boots (Tourmaster), armored gloves (Fieldsheer), and a full-face helmet (Z1R). Every place there was armor took a hit - knees, hips, shoulders, elbows, back, head, toes, hands - and I also slid a bit. Without the gear I would have been in way way much worse shape. As it was, other than the foot, I had lots of bruises that healed on their own in a few weeks, and no road rash.

BTW, the best crash is the one you never have. Take the MSF Basic Rider course and read Proficient Motorcycling by David Hough.

When I was a teenager I saw a woman get run over by a car and killed. She was just standing on the sidewalk waiting for the light to change. Walking is dangerous.

Everything has risks. Decide what you want to do, then make it the best you can - safety included.
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L from Jersey wrote:
Expensive & beautiful leather Joe Rocket gloves: poor protection, have not bought anything from them since
Please elaborate. Did the gloves shred on the gravel? Insufficient armor? Something else?
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Expensive & beautiful leather Joe Rocket gloves: poor protection, have not bought anything from them since
Please elaborate. Did the gloves shred on the gravel? Insufficient armor? Something else?
Those were these, in red:
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The plastic knuckle guards, which had always been surprisingly uncomfortable,
cut down into my skin during the fall (causing some bleeding there)

I also got a deep gash on my palm from the sharp gravel, without any damage to the gloves
(I had them fastened as tight as they would go and they did not come off)

I still have a (faint) scar from that
It's on the thumb pad and goes all the way up to the first knuckle of my thumb

They're still the best-looking gloves I ever had, but...
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I think Michael is right, MSF should be listed in as riding gear for the mind.
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I don't feel like re-typing it all, so I'll quote from the thread of my recent crash:
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ritchj wrote:
How'd the Corazzo hold up? Was it warm enough - it looked cold.

What brand pants? How'd they do?
The Corazzo was warm enough, but it was disappointing otherwise. It lost the water resistance it once had, but I wore a water proof cycling jacket underneath to keep dry. It was actually the same set up I had during the Big Wet One this past January. As far as protection though... I wasn't going to mention it, but since you asked. I was disappointed with my Corazzo 5.0. I got serious road rash on my elbow (a nice big hole actually), though nothing broken. The problem was that the armor did not stay in place and the jacket tore too easily. It think the armor was too loose and those velcro things around the wrist came loose during the crash, allowing the sleeve to move up. The material of the jacket tore right through. I'll take pictures later.

My pants on the other hand, did an awesome job both in terms of warmth and protection. They're mesh, but they have a cozy liner that goes with them and really keeps you toasty warm. I was wearing Olympia Airglide 2 Mesh pants. I have very minor scrapes on my knees. This is especially impressive since it was my left knee that seems to have taken the brunt of it. The armor was destroyed on the pants. I can imagine having no knee left if I had not been wearing those pants. Kudos to Olympia Moto Sports for quality protection! I wish I had them still to take pictures of, but they had to cut them off and they're in the trash now somewhere in Fresno.

My helmet (a Shark RSI) did hit the ground, but it doesn't look like it was a bad impact. There's a scrape on the left side and the face shield did fly off because the button got pushed in. Yes, I will get a new helmet.

The equipment that came out in the best shape and is still usable were my Dainese gloves. My hands have no scrapes at all and I slightly sprained a thumb. But they did an excellent job. Also, these gloves are nice and warm and they stayed relatively dry during the rain.

I was also wearing Chippewa motorcycle boots. Other than my ankle, my feet are totally in tact. I would say they did a nice job too.
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I crashed two weeks ago, and broke a bone in each (unprotected) wrist. Fortunately, my head was inside an HJC helmet, and it was unhurt.
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I read your crash post, and applaud you for your lucidity to take inventory of your gear. That detail about the 5.0 has always been in the back of my mind. I can see where the velcro's function can easily be compromised in a crash. Best of luck.

I also added riding with good people a protective item.
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I had a lowside at fairly low speed (probably about 30-35 mph). I hit some wet moss on the shady part of a road and next thing you know, the rug was yanked out from under me. My only injury was a bit of road rash where my jacket had pulled up and I had only T shirt between me and the road.

I had Joe Rocket overpants on as well as a BMW jacket. Both held up fine to the sliding... My only beef with the JR stuff is the zippers are shite. I have busted two thirds of them just through normal use. Jacket held up fine with hardly a scratch. I also had Scorpion FF on and First Gear gloves. I love the Scorpion, works well and seems built to last. The FG gloves got a tear in them, and had been tearing a bit on their own anyway, so it was a fine excuse to go get some new gloves.

So, both scooter and rider came out of it OK. What I did walk away with is the feeling of an accident being able to happen any time anywhere. I remember my first thought after picking myself up was " Well, thats why I do Toreador Pants.."
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I have never crashed into an object. I have fallen down several times, almost always due to slipping on ice/gravel. Never at high speeds. I have never had road rash.

I have never cut or worn through clothing. I don't wear anything specially rated for going down. Wool has a better rating then kevlar or any other textile for both burn resistance and stretchability. I cannot stress enough that if you're sliding on abrasive ground, you want your clothing to stretch and not wear through. So I really advocate for wool, but I realize it's not great material in warmer climates. Always wear gloves.

I have broken two sesamoid bones in my foot after landing badly off a curb jump on my Et2. No other injuries. The bike just landed square where I shouldn't have had my foot trying to keep the bike up when it was going down.
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I had a low-speed (25 mph?) lowside about a year ago.

HJC fullface helmet: face shield and other areas scratched. Helmet was probably OK, but I replaced it anyway.

Cortech LNX armored leather jacket: some scratches but otherwise OK. I still wear it.

Jeans: ripped badly at the knees, sliced by paramedics. (I later repaired them and still wear them for dirty work.)

Doc Martens boots: toes badly scuffed but otherwise OK. I still wear them, except on rainy days (wet traction is poor.)

Rev-it leather gloves: scuffed and scraped but otherwise OK. I still wear them.

My body: cracked left collarbone (healed in three weeks), road rash on both knees. (Animal I hit: very dead on impact.)

I believe my jacket prevented my injuries from being much worse, but jeans did nothing to protect my legs. I now always ride with Firstgear armored textile pants or a Scooter Skirt.
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Last Nite
So I went down last nite pretty bad, but made it up ok... I don't really know what happened, but a green car hit me, they either came out of a side driveway or made a surprise U turn. I went down hard on my shoulder, and really had no recollection of what happened until 45 minutes or so later. My shoulder is bruised, with some road rash, and m entire rib cage is tender from the jolt. "soft tissue damage they call it. The driver just fled the scene straight up hit and run. No one got the guys info... so the insurance won't cover it under the uninsured hit and run clause b/c there is no driver to pin it on. Funny... I thought not having the drivers info is THE VERY DEFINITION OF A HIT AND RUN!

Anywhoo- Protective gear:
Bell Drifter Open Face Helmet - I don't think it hit the ground, but I rate it a 10!
No Gloves
Cheap Monday Fishtail Parka- No rips, not exatly protective, but the road rash on my shoulder is minimal.
Jeans- No damage to my legs at all except for a shinner where my ankle hit the florboard.
Shoes- Toms Slip-ons- Probably the worst shoes ever for riding, but my feet are A-OK!.

Thankful a sore shoulder (and an unrideable scoot) is (are) my only injuries.

Be careful out there.
Be well.
Paul
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Coley wrote:
Just switch "motorcycle" with "scooter" and see if your considerations change. They're one and the same. I guess you could include bicycle on the list too... the only difference is the speed at which you may crash, or be hit.
You're right. Almost all my two-wheel tip-overs have been in parking lots at speeds of zero to five mph, except for one encounter with loose gravel on a country road.

The most memorable was on a bicycle at a stop sign on a mountain road. I was using snap-on pedals for the first time. As the bike stopped, I spaced out how to twist-release from the pedals. In a half second I was on my back with the bike up in the air still attached to my shoes. I was more embarassed than injured. It was one of those some-day-I'll-laugh-about-it moments.

Hah!

It doesn't take more than a half-second of inattention to dump a scooter and road rash doesn't hurt any less if you tip over in the driveway or go over the bars at 65 mph. No sense worrying about it -- life's to short.

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I've come off twice, both times while braking and swerving to avoid getting hit while riding around 30 MPH in the city. I was wearing:

- FF Modular Helmet (HJC)
- Jacket with elbow, back armor: (a) Corazzo Bomber, (b) TourMaster MC jacket
- Gloves w/carbon fiber knuckles (Rev'It! Celcius winter gloves)
- boots (not M/C, but the zip-up kind that go over the ankle)
- Corduroy pants

The gloves and FF helmet did their job. The palms of the gloves were shredded, and the knuckle guards on one hand worn down by a few centimeters. In one fall, my face shield scraped pavement for a couple of feet, instead of my nose and chin.

I could/should have been wearing knee armor, I skinned my knees pretty badly both times.

The ankle coverage on the boots helped me on one of the times, the leather was scraped pretty far, if I'd been wearing regular shoes/sneakers it could have been my ankle bone :eek:.

The jacket hasn't really come into play for me, and I hope it stays that way.
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I've gone down twice.
First time: FF Shoei Helmet, no riding jacket - just a Lands End jacket with a sweatshirt underneath, over the ankle hiking boots, leather gloves, and jeans.
I really have no memory of what happened (about 6 yrs ago) but here's what I do know. I accidently popped a wheelie on a P200e turning into a gas station in San Luis Obispo and don't remember going down. I remember coming to in the middle of the gas station parking area. I believe it was just inexperience.
Result: Broken collar bone, small tear in the arm of the jacket. I am a firm believer in FF helmets. Sent my helmet back to the factory. They checked it out and sent it back with the face shield replaced at no charge and said the helmet was still good.

I now own a Olympia riding jacket and love it.

Second time: I was riding my 125PX, was rear ended at a stop sign and thrown out into two lane traffic. I remember a bus coming at me but it saw me in time and managed to move into the other lane. Nothing hit me. I flew in one direction and the scooter went the other direction I remember feeling the helmet around the chin scraping the pavement and thinking that I was so glad I had a FF helmet on.
Gear I had on: FF Shoei helmet, Olympia riding jacket, leather gloves, jeans and tennis shoes.
Injuries: bruised left hand and bruised knee. I was so pissed. The scooter was in great condition before that happened.

The insurance company of the stupid person that hit me paid for a new helmet.
I'm so glad I have a good riding jacket. When I can save up some more $$$ I will buy some riding boots and pants.

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I've been in the ditch twice but on my Suzuki Volusia. Never on the scooter.

First time I was in the middle of 2 other riders. 3 years ago. Tried to take a corner beyond my skill and went into a 8' deep ditch. I came off the bike and rolled down the berm. Full leathers and FF helmet, gloves, boots etc. No injuries except to my pride. Estimate to fix the bike was $4,200. More than it was worth but I scrounged around on the net and fixed it myself for around $1,500.

Second time into a ditch again in May. I'm seeing a pattern here. Came over a hill and there was water on the road. Next thing I know I'm riding down the ditch. Stayed on the bike this time. Very little damage to the bike this time. Only needed a new set of handlebars. I broke a rib and screwed up my shoulder. Rib healed Shoulder still hurts. Again I was wearing full leathers, etc. My rib had a bruise over it exactly the size of the iPod I had in my pocket.

Got my scooter and haven't had the big bike out of the garage since.
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Dutch wrote:
I broke a rib and screwed up my shoulder. Rib healed Shoulder still hurts. Again I was wearing full leathers, etc.
My rib had a bruise over it exactly the size of the iPod I had in my pocket.
Sorry, just had to ask... How did the iPod fare?
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