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same for engine oil... i been riding for decades and have friends who use walmart oil in there scooter, sport bikes and bmw's and have never had an engine issue or an engine blowing up because of the oil...
While it's very rare, there are stories of (250cc) Vespas expiring from oil failure.
Consider the type of riding you do; It's not too unusual for a Vespa to run flat out on the highway for hours at a time. That simply doesn't happen on the larger bikes.
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I was curious about the hi-flo filter and saw this advertised about there product ...

HiFlo produces high quality filters at an affordable price. All filters meet or exceed OE specs and are specifically designed for your scooter

the buzz words ... "meet or exceed OE specs"! so should 't i feel comfortable ordering these for the 300 ?

Jim does a ton of mileage and uses these filters so without any issues so aren't we getting a little paranoid over the whole filter thing ?

another fact someone brought up was "there have been no known engine break-downs becuase of a filter ... has anyone heard otherwise ??

same for engine oil... i been riding for decades and have friends who use walmart oil in there scooter, sport bikes and bmw's and have never had an engine issue or an engine blowing up because of the oil...
You are so right. Ive been on the forum for years and have heard all kinds of stories but they always seem to be from a friend of a friend. Never anyone with first hand experience. Id really like to talk to the fellow who had a warranty claim turned down by using Mobile 1 oil

Ive used Mobile 1 0w-40 for years in ET4's, BV250 and My GTS. Never a problem. Meets Vespa's SL Specifications etc, etc.
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In my dotage, I’ve decided I don’t know everything. In fact, sometimes I’m convinced I know nothing.

Since I’ve trusted Piaggio enough to buy a Vespa I’ll trust them to tell me what spec oil to use in it. If it costs me a couple bucks more for peace of mind, so be it. I’ve wasted my money on worse.
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In my dotage, I've decided I don't know everything. In fact, sometimes I'm convinced I know nothing.

Since I've trusted Piaggio enough to buy a Vespa I'll trust them to tell me what spec oil to use in it. If it costs me a couple bucks more for peace of mind, so be it. I've wasted my money on worse.
Harvey i think you missed the point.... if the product says its meets the manufacturer's criteria and it happens to be made by walmart of Hiflo the product should not have an adverse effect providing the product is used according to the manufacture's schedule....
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Harvey i think you missed the point.... if the product says its meets the manufacturer's criteria and it happens to be made by walmart of Hiflo the product should not have an adverse effect providing the product is used according to the manufacture's schedule....
Exactly

If fact there's a law here in the US because car companies tried to say that you had to come back to them for an oil change Wha? emoticon

i will say this however, keep good records
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My comment was in response to the your engine oil note (not in response to oil filters).

The full spec Vespa requires is
'SAE 5W-40, API SL, ACEA A3, JASO MA Synthetic oil'

I agree any company's oil meeting all those specs will meet Piaggio's warranty requirements.

As I've noted many times in the past.
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It does 8)
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Harvey wrote:
'SAE 5W-40, API SL, ACEA A3, JASO MA Synthetic oil'
"Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 exceeds the requirements of API Service Categories SH, SG/CF, CD, JASO MA"

"Mobil 1 High Mileage 10W-40 Meets API SL/CF"
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Check out the stuff that is in bold
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Product Description

Mobil 1 0W-40 is the most advanced performance synthetic engine oil designed to provide ultimate cleaning power, wear protection and overall performance. Mobil 1 0W-40, European Car Formula (NA) or Protection Formula (EU), exceeds the requirements of the leading industry and car manufacturers' standards required for newer modern gasoline and diesel powered automobile engines. The Mobil 1 Technology is race proven and the choice of NASCAR racing. Mobil 1 0W-40 is perfect for all types of vehicles anywhere in the world and has the performance reserve to protect when conventional engine oils cannot. It is the first choice at the factory for the some of the world's finest performance vehicles: Mercedes-Benz AMG, Porsche, and Aston Martin.


Features and Benefits

Mobil 1 0W-40 is made with a proprietary blend of ultra high performance synthetic basestocks fortified with Supersyn Technology. Mobil 1 0W-40's wide viscosity range provides unsurpassed levels of protection, fuel savings and the best overall smooth driving experience. Mobil 1 0W-40 keeps engines starting in Arctic extreme cold and cleans deposits, sludge and varnish often formed in high temperature operating conditions. Exceeding most of the global industry standards and the major leading builder requirements is the cornerstone of the performance reserve that lets Mobil 1 0W-40 keep performing well after conventional oils cannot. Key features and benefits include:



Features
Advantages and Potential Benefits
Active cleaning agents Prevents deposits and sludge build-up to enable long and clean engine life
Outstanding thermal and oxidation stability Reduces oil ageing allowing extended drain interval protection
Low oil consumption Less hydrocarbon pollution
Enhanced frictional properties Greater fuel economy
Excellent low temperature capabilities Quick cold weather starting and ultra fast protection
Extended engine and electrical system life
High Viscosity Index and Supersyn Technology Excellent overall lubrication and wear protection performance for all driving styles and conditions

Applications

Mobil 1 0W-40 is recommended for all types of modern vehicles, especially high-performance turbo-charged, supercharged gasoline and diesel multi-valve fuel injected engines found in passenger cars, SUVs, light vans and trucks.

* Mobil 1 0W-40 is especially suitable for extreme conditions, where conventional oil often cannot perform.
* Mobil 1 is not recommended for 2-Cycle or aviation engines, unless specifically approved by the manufacturer.


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Specifications and Approvals

Mobil 1 0W-40 meets or exceeds the following industry specifications:
0W-40
API SM/SL/SJ/CF X
ACEA A3/B3 X
A3/B4 X
NISSAN GT-R X


Mobil 1 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
0W-40
MB-Approval 229.3 X
MB-Approval 229.5 X
OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025 X
OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025 X
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01 X
VW 502 00 X
VW 505 00 X

PORSCHE A40 X


Mobil 1 0W-40 is recommended for use in applications requiring:
0W-40
SAAB X
FIAT FIAT 9.55535 - M2 X
FIAT FIAT 9.55535 - N2 X
FIAT FIAT 9.55535 - Z2 X


Typical Properties

Mobil 1 0W-40
Value
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40º C 78.3
cSt @ 100º C 14
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.2
Phosphorous 0.1
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 230
Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.85
Total Base Number (TBN) 11.3
MRV at -40ºC 26242
Viscosity Index 186
HTHS Viscosity, mPas @ 150ºC, ASTM D 4683 3.7


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louisq I wouldn't use a 10w-40, that's why I went with 0W-40

Not saying its wrong just my preference
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ROFL emoticon


Next round:
'Are graphite gaskets Piaggio's brightest or dumbest idea & why?'
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<groan>
And winter's hardly started yet!
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Ok Oil fight, Can u tell I'm bored today
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<groan>
And winter's hardly started yet!
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There's reason to celebrate, no one brought up politics or where the oil was purchased. That's progress....
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But Id bet we would all agree to drink a pint and watch women oil wrestle
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I'd buy a round.

But the women would have to use a World Wrestling Federation approved oil.
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Oil filter for Vespa GTV 300ie
I bought oil filter today iat Vespa Montreal for $8.97 each I took 4 Last time I bought one in St Jean sur Richelieu at Moto LS they charge me 16.00 for one It was the same number and make that I bought today[/b]
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