Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:42 pm

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1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:42 pm linkquote
So I've got a free original P seat arranged, but it doesn't seem to be moving fast by any means and I'm not entirely sure of the condition. I found a decent condition Stella seat for sale for very cheap and was wondering how they compare. Comfort? Durability? Fit to P frame?

Thanks!

*Edited* ~ question regarding lock type below

Last edited by xantufrog on Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:59 pm; edited 2 times in total
Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:32 am

Molto Verboso
79 P200e, 81 100 Sport
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Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:32 am linkquote
I've sat on both. I like my 30 year old P seat better.

It seemed more comfortable. The guy with the Stella who sat on my P agreed.

I do kind of like the look of the Stella seat better, but I wouldn't switch them out.
Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:33 am

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1965 Vespa SS180, 1963 Lambretta LI150
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Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:33 am linkquote
The stella / PX millennium seat... i dunno. I rocked one for a really long time. In the end, i really liked the stock Rally 200 seat best of all ... but the stock P200 seat wasn't bad either. If it bothers you, pack some more foam from the craft shop in between the cover and the springs.

I think putting a new stella seat / PX mill. seat on it makes it look newer than it is.
Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:49 am

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Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:49 am linkquote
Rover Eric wrote:
I think putting a new stella seat / PX mill. seat on it makes it look newer than it is.
Yeah that's what I DON'T want to do. I like that the scoot is old(ish).

I was more considering it for comfort merits. But it sounds like it looses there.

So the Rally 200 seat will swap on easily to a P?
Thanks guys!
Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:54 am

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Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:54 am linkquote
yeah...but it sits a little higher... raises the profile a tad. BUT ...looks a little more vintage.
Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:53 am

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Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:53 am linkquote
On the flipside, I hate hate hate hate my rally seat. Perhaps it's just the indignity of having a largeframe - but the seat seems way too springy for me. You hit a bump, and the seat springs shoot you to the moon. Broke shocks, bad engine bushings, etc? Doesn't matter. The rally seat doesn't let you feel anything that the scooter is doing underneath you.
Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:54 am

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Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:54 am linkquote
It is very springy.

I swapped my Stella seat for a true OG rally seat ( not the shitty repop ), and really loved the increase in *edit* suspension i got out of it.

Two different extremes, i suppose.
Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:26 am

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Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:26 am linkquote
My wife gave me her stella seat when she got a Rally seat for her Stella. It replaced a shitty repro corsa on my P200. Replaced it with a clubmate's PX seat, which I found more comfortable.
Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:58 pm

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Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:58 pm linkquote
Ok I got my free seat today and it's a stella seat anyway :-p . I actually think I'll like it though - might feel hard to those who have had better, but it looks like a very similar comfort level to that of my ET (which isn't ideal but it's good enough ).

It needs a seat lock though and I wanted to ask - will a normal P-series lock and seat pillar work right? Or do I need to look for a stella-specific lock and seat pillar?
Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:09 pm

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Stella
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Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:09 pm linkquote
I'm fairly certain a regular P series lock and pin will work. I replaced my stock seat with an Ancillotti and was able to swap my stock lock with the one on the new seat. I just had to order a longer seat pin because the stock one was too short. I don't think you'll have a problem.
Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:15 pm

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Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:15 pm linkquote
sarah wrote:
I'm fairly certain a regular P series lock and pin will work. I replaced my stock seat with an Ancillotti and was able to swap my stock lock with the one on the new seat. I just had to order a longer seat pin because the stock one was too short. I don't think you'll have a problem.
Thanks Sarah,
Any thoughts on how to figure out the correct pin length to order?
Oh and I wonder if vintage P seat locks and PX seat locks differ in size/shape and I would therefore need one and not the other.
Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:21 pm

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Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:21 pm linkquote
My Rally is not to the stage yet where I can ride it, but the seat feels and looks really soft, high and fat. Bulbous in fact. That'll be it's nickname - "Fast & Bulbous". Like a racing camel, perhaps. Then again, perhaps not...
Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:34 pm

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Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:34 pm linkquote
I'm not sure what the differences are but here are some pictures of the longer pin and the lock. The picture quality isn't great cuz I just took them with my phone. Hope it helps.



Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:57 am

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Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:57 am linkquote
SWMLDR Bill wrote:
My Rally is not to the stage yet where I can ride it, but the seat feels and looks really soft, high and fat. Bulbous in fact. That'll be it's nickname - "Fast & Bulbous". Like a racing camel, perhaps. Then again, perhaps not...
thats right the mascara snake, fast and bulbous, bulbous also tappered...
Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:14 am

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Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:14 am linkquote
Quote:
thats right the mascara snake, fast and bulbous, bulbous also tappered...
Like a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag.



I knew there'd be at least one!
Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:00 pm

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Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:00 pm linkquote
Nobody knows if you use a PX or vintage P lock to get a stella seat on a vintage P?
Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:35 pm

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Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:35 pm linkquote
Bump one last time?
Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:20 pm

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Stella
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:20 pm linkquote
I'm almost positive you can. I gave my friend my old Stella seat for his P200 and it fit. I haven't seen it in person but I think you'll be ok. Sorry I couldn't be more help. I'm sure if you gave Motorsport or another scooter shop a call they would be able to give you an answer.
Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:21 pm

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Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:21 pm linkquote
xantufrog wrote:
Nobody knows if you use a PX or vintage P lock to get a stella seat on a vintage P?
I'm answered your PM, but its PX lock for the Stella seat.
Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:22 pm

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Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:22 pm linkquote
Thanks Andrea!
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