Modern Vespa

I don't know if you realize it, but there are bits missing from the LX125 column which I did supply.

As an anecdotal addition to the LX overview, you may want to mention that the LX model is the Roman numeral for "60" and was launched in 2006 to mark Vespa's 60th anniversary.

You've got the power to edit the article...

Oh so I do! Sorry, I forgot we were allowed to add stuff ... thanks Jess!

Sorry, but after looking at the code for that table ... I am just not that brave!

Nice edits, TrafficJammer. Where did you get the May 10, 2005 launch date for the LX? I have a press release dated March 10... Maybe you read the Euro date (05-03-10) wrong?

After spending 10 minutes searching my history file ... I finally found it again.

It was a pdf file entitled "VESPA HISTORY 1946-2007" (which appears to have been provided by Vespa) which was available through an online motorcycle magazine called MC24:

http://www.mc24.no/getfile.php/Innhold/Klassisk/Motorsykkel/Vespa%2060%20år/1947-2007%20Vespa%20History_ENG.pdf If we need to cite sources to edit, please advise as going back through my browser history took more time than the actual edit did.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind providing sources at all and I am not getting snotty ... I just hate backtracking when I could be doing something more productive.

Really not necessary to cite sources, especially if it requires an intensive search. I only asked because I have a conflicting date. The document you quote has some copy verbatim from the press release I have so maybe they got it wrong. I'll poke around some more.

Just want to make sure that if we're going to be that specific, it's accurate. For these purposes, we probably don;t need an exact date.

Journalism background... I'm probably more anal about factchecking and copyediting than is really warranted here.

Actually Eric, I am pretty anal myself about fact checking. I was a marketing and advertising major with an English minor. Have spent more than 30 years in sales and marketing and I like to be both specific and accurate.

I am almost certain that information was provided by Piaggio as I have found the same article in three other motorcycle magazines. Search Google for "Vespa History 1946-2007" and see what you find.

Cool. I'll leave the date as-is. And thanks for the contribution and the attention to detail!

I added a mostly complete list of colors since the colors section had been empty for a long time.


I also think that it might be a good idea to add the i.e. stats to the table... if they will fit.

I may add a separate table and new links for the ie stats. The specs aren't on the US or UK Vespa sites yet. I can probably dig up a Piaggio press release, but if you have a link to them it would be helpful!

Thanks

I sent that info to you a couple of months ago Eric.

Last edited by TrafficJammer on Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:09:07 +0000; edited 1 time

Umm... Yeah... it's somewhere, I'm sure... just didn't get around to it yet... damn ADD... 

LOL! I do the same thing all the time! I'd send it again ... but I think I threw it away once I sent it to you.

I just checked and the attachment is in my MV "sent" mailbox ... but there is no option to resend. If you have lost it ... perhaps you or Jess can tell me how to resend it to you ... if that's possible?

The differences that I saw aren't all that big. I just went to the Italian site to see them. I'm sure that TrafficJammer will figure out how to get them to you.

I've still got them! Thanks.

Added IE specs and some more mods from Project Reports.

Quoted from the wiki:

"Frequently Asked Questions About This Model
Kick starting an LX or ET
[Not authorized to view this topic]
ET/GT/LX: Hard Starting, Rough Idle, or Stalling
[Not authorized to view this topic]"


Why does it say, "[Not authorized to view this topic]?"

There is no good reason that I can think of why you cannot read that article Danny. Try again.

Oh, I can read the articles just fine. That's why I wondered why it said "not authorized."

Those appear to be topics that for some reason have been deleted. I can't find them. (They messages aren't for the still-active links above them.)

Actually, I think they may be Tech Library topics that were moved into the Wiki. The links may just need updating.

EDIT: Yet I've no way of knowing what topics they linked to... bah!

I can find the articles, but not from the wiki.

I got the "not authorized" thing myself a while ago while I was trying to find an article, but I was posting on the fly and didn't have a chance to look into it.

I tried to add them to the FAQ portion of the wiki, but I can't get the format to match...I can post the url, but that doesn't match the way the other topics show on the FAQ page.

I read the thread about using the BBC code [topic whatever] but I'm ashamed to admit that I don't understand how to get it to work properly. I can't find a way to come up the the topic number.

I'd be happy to help, but I need a refresher.

The missing articles are The way to add links for these is: Entering the full URL as above, the link is automatically converted to the [topic#] style.

In the actual Wiki, what appears is this:
Kick starting an LX or ET
[Not authorized to view this topic]
ET/GT/LX: Hard Starting, Rough Idle, or Stalling
[Not authorized to view this topic]

It's coded like this: Since the original articles are gone, I can't figure out what they were from the topic numbers alone.

I'm not getting that (the topic#) when I copy and post the link.
What am I missing?

I pasted the URL below
"http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/wiki-kick" and what shows is
Kick starting an LX or ET
but no topic number.

I feel a bit dense, most likely because I'm rushing back and forth with weather-related business concerns while trying to fix the wiki, and I may be overlooking something obvious.

Just trying to do my job, sir.

OK I'm back. I had to cancel classes at my school for the second day in a row because of the wailing weather forecasts. In over ten years, I've never had cancel classes two days in a row. Since then, it's just little cute snow fluffies so far. It better frakking snow large.

But I digress....

Now that I have a bit of time, I found out how to get the topic # from the URL. Solved.

But I still can't post the missing articles to the FAQ and have it look proper because, I checked, the current articles in the FAQ are referred to like this...
"http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/wiki-faq-kill-switch"

Where other articles have this...
"http://www.modernvespa.com/forum/wiki-kick"

On the FAQ page, the kill switch article link looks like this:
FAQ-What's The Kill Switch For?

But adding the kick article get a result like the image below...
which isn't consistent with the FAQ format.

Any ideas?

Wiki articles are linked a little differently than normal thread topics.

So to link to a Wiki, you would use to get
Vespa LX

Each Wiki article is assigned a "slug" to act as it's permanent link (in this case, the slug is "wiki-lx").

The topics are by number. Once a topic is deleted, the number no longer points to anything in the database. If regular thread topics from the Tech Library were migrated into the Wiki, we'd just have to know which were moved to figure out what the bad links should point to.

I'll ask Jess.

Actually, I just dug through the whole list and think I recalled which items had been in the FAQ before.

So, for now, the FAQs for this model are:
Kick starting an LX or ET
ET/GT/LX: Hard Starting, Rough Idle, or Stalling
FAQ: What's that bubble filled with oil?
FAQ: What octane should I use in my scooter?
FAQ: Speedometer Accuracy and Related Topics

Feel free to add any others from the Wiki!

Ok, I edited the power column on the table to correct the i.e. figures for the 150 (it read "7.9 kW at 8000 rpm (150)" and I changed it to "8.9 kW at 8000 rpm (150)")

Looking at this table some more, I see that it is also missing information on the LX50 2-stroke and 4-stroke 4 valve. I am wondering if it would be better to give each engine displacement its own article. Right now all the engine information is repeated in the LX, LXS, and LXV articles and each article would have to be updated every time there is an engine change. I suggest taking all of the information out to create the following articles-

50cc Engine- Includes 4-stroke, 2-stroke, and 4 valve variants.

125cc Engine- Includes ie variants

150cc - Includes ie variants (maybe leader pre-leader info?)

I think that this approach may also help with the 200, 250 and 300 engines as the 300 engines are put into the GTV and GTS.

I will help edit all of the info, but what does everyone else think about doing this?

This idea to begin with was to have a one-stop for information relating to each model family. There are now more variations of LX than any other Vespa model since the ET, though. That chart is a beast.

I think most of the info should remain in the primary LX article. If anything should be broken out, it should be the specs. So maybe there should be separate articles, all linking back to the LX overview, with the specs and maybe a couple other very specific items like first year of production and colors for those versions. I wouldn't break them up too specifically, though.

My suggestion:

LX/S 50 (Hi-PER 2T and 4T)
LX/LXV/S 125 & 150 (LEADER)
LX/LXV/S 125ie & 150ie (injected)

Does the injected engine have a name? Is it a QUASAR? I haven't seen it referred to with a name in any Vespa docs.

I understand that it is nice to have one place to find all of the info for a model and I agree about leaving most of the info in there. Once you take out the engine specs, the rest of the LX specs are largely the same (other than weight, speed, and economy).

If the wiki were fully written, the LEADER and Hi-PER info would be repeated in several different places since the Fly shares the Hi-PER and LEADER and the I know the ET had a LEADER (the liquid cooled 125 and 200 is also LEADER). Also, the QUASAR info would be repeated in many places since it is shared with the GTS, BV, and MP3 . I know that there aren't articles yet for the Piaggio line, but it would make it easier in the future to link to the engine pages for a model rather than have to restate everything. I know that the question of Piaggo vs Vespa comes up a lot and having a common engine page might help (although we know the question will still be asked). Mostly, I think that it will make things easier to update since there will only be one page with engine specs rather than three or four.

The 125 and 150 i.e. engines are still referred to as LEADER on the Italian site.

Can someone add the color Rossa Prugna 102/A ? That's what my 2012 LX150 ie is (North America)