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Has anyone gotten more than 4,000 miles out of the rear tire? I was wondering if there are any who have had better mileage than this?
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i have around 4500mi. on Perelli [sp?] light commuter riding.
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Just got 10,000 out of mine - but you don't know what bike I'm talking about and the same applies to your postulate.

More info please if you want any sensible reply.
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I am on my 4th rear tire on my GT200. I routinely get 6K from them. I have had the stock Pirelli last 6K, the 2 Michelin Pilot SC's lasted about 5,900 (had a few hundred miles left). I now have a Conti Zippy 1 on the front and rear. Just turned over 18,980 miles yesterday.
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Just got 10,000 out of mine - but you don't know what bike I'm talking about and the same applies to your postulate.

More info please if you want any sensible reply.
LX-50
LX-150
GTS-250

MP3-250
MP3-400
MP3-500

Fly-50
Fly-150

BV-250
BV-500

ET-150

Probably a few others as well. I work at a dealership and am amazed at how quickly these scooter wear out tires. What tire are you getting that mileage from?
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I get about 2000+ miles with a Pirelli on the rear tire of my ET4
and about 6500+ miles with a Continental Zippy.
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GTS250 - 9,000 km from a Continental "Conti Twist"
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jimc wrote:
Just got 10,000 out of mine - but you don't know what bike I'm talking about and the same applies to your postulate.

More info please if you want any sensible reply.
LX-50
LX-150
GTS-250

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BV-500

ET-150

Probably a few others as well. I work at a dealership and am amazed at how quickly these scooter wear out tires. What tire are you getting that mileage from?
It's all about tire type.
If their Savas, I barely got 3k out of mine.
Very scary looking when I took them off the rim.
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LX150- 5500 Miles so far and still riding..
Pilot series tire.
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Boy oh boy.

What you ride, where you ride, how you ride and weight (luggage, 2-up, etc.) make huge differences.

I live in a rural area, ride solo (210lbs.), no tailbox, 70% state roads and highways with few stop signs or traffic signals. 20% Interstate, no more than 10% urban.

GTS250-original Sava tire: I've got 4800 miles, tire looks good for at least another 1000.

But that's me.

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Paul G. wrote:
Boy oh boy.

What you ride, where you ride, how you ride and weight (luggage, 2-up, etc.) make huge differences.

I live in a rural area, ride solo (210lbs.), no tailbox, 70% state roads and highways with few stop signs or traffic signals. 20% Interstate, no more than 10% urban.

GTS250-original Sava tire: I've got 4800 miles, tire looks good for at least another 1000.

But that's me.

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Yes that is all true there are many factors to tire wear but tire quality is the ultimate. I would take those Sava tires off ASAP. They look fine under pressure and on a rim but once you take one off and see how poor the construction is you'll be glad you did. When I took mine off I was shocked to see how thin and flimsy the tires were. My front looked brand new but was as pliable as an old warn out running shoe. A tire should not be that easy to fold up and bend. I'd only put a Sava tire on a scoot of someone that I hated. But I'd really have to hate them.
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GTS 250 - 9,000 KM out of the rear tire, Savas.
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Benny? Sava? Really?
I'm sad now.
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GTS 250 - 9,000 KM out of the rear tire, Savas.
yeah but don't forget to tell readers you're about as heavy as my left leg! Razz emoticon Laughing emoticon
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What about other issues regarding your tire usage?

My scoot is strictly for fun rides, and I don't ride it every day. Depending on the weather, I might not ride it for a week or more - such as in the dead of summer when it's hot as hell here. I would imagine that my total miles driven in the first year will be less than 2000. I've heard that tires for cars need to be changed every three or four years regardless of the mileage on them. That's because they can and do dry rot. My car has only 18000 miles on it, but it will soon be 3 years old, so I am planning on this expense.

I forget what brand of cheap Asian tire came on my Fly, but I recall seeing them for sale on some site for about $10 each. My scooter is kept in the garage, and is driven only on dry days, so I thought about replacing these when I take the scooter in for its 1-year maintenance. Should I replace these now?

Also interested in knowing if using a different brand on the front is considered a no-no.
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What about other issues regarding your tire usage?

My scoot is strictly for fun rides, and I don't ride it every day. Depending on the weather, I might not ride it for a week or more - such as in the dead of summer when it's hot as hell here. I would imagine that my total miles driven in the first year will be less than 2000. I've heard that tires for cars need to be changed every three or four years regardless of the mileage on them. That's because they can and do dry rot. My car has only 18000 miles on it, but it will soon be 3 years old, so I am planning on this expense.

I forget what brand of cheap Asian tire came on my Fly, but I recall seeing them for sale on some site for about $10 each. My scooter is kept in the garage, and is driven only on dry days, so I thought about replacing these when I take the scooter in for its 1-year maintenance. Should I replace these now?

Also interested in knowing if using a different brand on the front is considered a no-no.
A visual inspection should be good enough.
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GTS 250 - 9,000 KM out of the rear tire, Savas.
Benny? Sava? Really?
I'm sad now.
OK @ Louisq, I'm about as heavy has his left leg, 130 lbs wet. LOL
Those Savas were the OEM tires and I now have Pirellis on, is that better Josh, I hope you're not sad anymore.
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GTS 250 - 9,000 KM out of the rear tire, Savas.
Benny? Sava? Really?
I'm sad now.
OK @ Louisq, I'm about as heavy has his left leg, 130 lbs wet. LOL
Those Savas were the OEM tires and I now have Pirellis on, is that better Josh, I hope you're not sad anymore.
Whew emoticon Thanks!
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GTS 250 - 9,000 KM out of the rear tire, Savas.
Benny? Sava? Really?
I'm sad now.
OK @ Louisq, I'm about as heavy has his left leg, 130 lbs wet. LOL
Those Savas were the OEM tires and I now have Pirellis on, is that better Josh, I hope you're not sad anymore.
Whew emoticon Thanks!
I know everyone seems to hate the Savas, but I didn't find them all that horrible. The Pirellis make the ride a bit smoother and seem to have better grip, but they exacerbated the wobble. I'll want to try something different next time.
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GTS 250 - 9,000 KM out of the rear tire, Savas.
Benny? Sava? Really?
I'm sad now.
OK @ Louisq, I'm about as heavy has his left leg, 130 lbs wet. LOL
Those Savas were the OEM tires and I now have Pirellis on, is that better Josh, I hope you're not sad anymore.
Whew emoticon Thanks!
I know everyone seems to hate the Savas, but I didn't find them all that horrible. The Pirellis make the ride a bit smoother and seem to have better grip, but they exacerbated the wobble. I'll want to try something different next time.
I didn't feel a big difference in the ride myself. I now have k58's on. I formed my opinion when I took it off the rim and inspected the Sava. I liked Sava's until then.
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What did you see when you inspected your Savas?
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Yes that is all true there are many factors to tire wear but tire quality is the ultimate. I would take those Sava tires off ASAP. They look fine under pressure and on a rim but once you take one off and see how poor the construction is you'll be glad you did. When I took mine off I was shocked to see how thin and flimsy the tires were. My front looked brand new but was as pliable as an old warn out running shoe. A tire should not be that easy to fold up and bend. I'd only put a Sava tire on a scoot of someone that I hated. But I'd really have to hate them.
Not disagreeing, but I don't have that much disposable income right now. Over the winter I expect sporadic use of the scoot (as opposed to daily up to now). Before the warm weather, I'll be replacing both ends with some K66s.

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What did you see when you inspected your Savas?
Very thin, pliable and very weak. Looked more like a tire that I've put on hand carts or go-carts. Plus, although I have not cut the tire open, I suspect that there are "bubbles" within the tire. There are small bulges that are very soft when pushed upon. I am by no means a tire specialist but I have changed all of my own tires for the last 10 years. The Sava just seems like more of a toy tire than something that you would ride at 80 mph+ on. Like I said before when these talks came up before I always thought that the negitive talk about Savas were hog-wash. I thought the ride was pretty nice with Savas. JMHO
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I got 10,000 Km out of my oem Pirellis on my GT200 and I thought they where a great tire. No wobble and gripped well even when worn bald!
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I'm curious what criteria people use when deciding to replace the rear tire. Is it when you get down to the wear bars, or when it gets squared off so badly that cornering is affected?

For me it is the latter - I hate being leaned over and feeling like the handling is all vague and weird.

Plus if there's rubber left you can have some fun. (see sig pic)
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I'm curious what criteria people use when deciding to replace the rear tire. Is it when you get down to the wear bars, or when it gets squared off so badly that cornering is affected
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If you value your life, replace them when they do not corner good....
If you want to risk it, wait til they are slicks, and wipe out on the wet pavement....
Can not believe how cheap people are with their lives!
$100-$200 for a new set of tires is worth it compared to broken scoots, bones, and or head!
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I'm curious what criteria people use when deciding to replace the rear tire. Is it when you get down to the wear bars, or when it gets squared off so badly that cornering is affected
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If you value your life, replace them when they do not corner good....
If you want to risk it, wait til they are slicks, and wipe out on the wet pavement....
Can not believe how cheap people are with their lives!
$100-$200 for a new set of tires is worth it compared to broken scoots, bones, and or head!
Squared off tires do not mean that they are bad yet.
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Sava Monsum (OEM) 4300 km - totally worn.
Michelin Pilot SC (130/70) - 4000 km - about totally worn.
Sava MC 29 Sporty 3+ (140/70) - 3700km pretty much worn out.
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Piaggio BV250

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8200 miles so far, but I am starting to see the wear bars, so I ordered a new tire. But the Michelin's are on back-order, so I'm going with the Pirelli Diablo.
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On my GTS, I got ~4500 miles from the rear stock Sava. It developed several bulges on a long, higher speed interstate drive one day.

I drove ~9000 miles on a rear Michelin Gold Standard, it too developed bulges after a long higher speed trip. It probably had another ~2000 miles of tread left.

I'm on another rear Gold Standard now. No problems.

I've got a Conti Zippy on the front with ~12000 miles on it. It looks new still. The original front Sava started cupping badly, after ~8000 miles. It too had a great deal of tread left.
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I got about 5,500km from the Sava rear and changed both tyres over for Pilot Sports.
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I'm curious what criteria people use when deciding to replace the rear tire. Is it when you get down to the wear bars, or when it gets squared off so badly that cornering is affected
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If you value your life, replace them when they do not corner good....
If you want to risk it, wait til they are slicks, and wipe out on the wet pavement....
Can not believe how cheap people are with their lives!
$100-$200 for a new set of tires is worth it compared to broken scoots, bones, and or head!
Squared off tires do not mean that they are bad yet.
Depends on how you ride!! I had been running Pirelli GTS's on my GTS, and got so used to them that I forgot what it was like to drag the centerstand on a left turn. I've got a Pirelli Diablo on the back now, and WOW! It's gotta be the best 12" tire out there, although I haven't done a long-term test of the Heidenau K-61. I still have the GTS on the front wheel, and Pirelli only makes a 12" Diablo in a 130mm with the rear tread pattern. I'm going to see if I can find a tire shop that will cut me a center groove on one so I can run it on the front, too. If I can't find someone to do it, I'll run it up there anyway!
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. I now have a Conti Zippy 1 on the front and rear. Just turned over 18,980 miles yesterday.
Bri, is that on the zippys? I have one on the front and I love it.
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I have about 3000 miles on a bridgestone Hoop and it looks like it has plenty more miles to go.

As for when do I change tires, whey they hit the bar and notice they slip easy on turns. I ride freeways a lot and dont want some thin tire to run over a screw or piece of metal and have a BLOW OUT, thats my biggest fear.
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I just installed the Conti Zips, less then 1000 miles on them now. I like this set of tires, low noise and they needed no weights to balance them. The Pilot SC front cupped terribly after 6k on it. The rear held up great, I noticed the wear bars started to come through at 5,950 miles. If the Conti's hold up well. I will continue to buy them.
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This Conti Zippy rear tire had 6621 miles on when I replaced it.
Nothing wrong with the tire, it still had tread but had squared off a bit from a lot of straight riding. It rode fine though.

I have never to date had a Conti lose traction on me, dry roads or wet.

The tire on the bottom is the exact same size Zippy, new.
Why do I take pictures of old tires?  I don't know...I really don't.
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This Conti Zippy rear tire had 6621 miles on when I replaced it.
Nothing wrong with the tire, it still had tread but had squared off a bit from a lot of straight riding. It rode fine though.
Squared off a bit? Jeebus, that tire's rectangular! Laughing emoticon

That's an amazing photo BTW
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OK, maybe more than a bit.

Regarding cornering on a squared-off tire, that very same tire shown in the picture was on my scooter when I ran the Tail of the Dragon only a couple of weeks before.

I trailered the scooter home that year, so there was no additional wear from the trip back. What you see is how the tire looked when it ran the twisties.

Incidentally, I had a new Pirelli rear tire mounted in Chattanooga this summer. (My Conti got punctured on the way...It had about 5000 miles on it and was still good.) I rode back to Pittsburgh on the Pirelli (677 miles) and took the scooter for its annual State Inspection about a month and a half later. The tire just barely passed due to wear. I was told to get a new one ASAP. It only had 1258 miles on it.

That's why I stick with the Continentals.
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I suspect that there are "bubbles" within the tire. There are small bulges that are very soft when pushed upon.
+1 At about 6,000 miles, my front sava started making a sound and vibrating like i was driving across pavement grooves perpendicularly. Tire looked fine. After closer inspection, I found bulges all around the tire treads. Don't know how long the rear would have lasted as I picked up a nail in it at 1,500 miles.

Didn't get great life out of a pirelli, maybe 2,000 miles, and same with a michelin pilot. Dealer told me that I may have had tires over inflated. Had both tires set for 2 up riding, without riding two up.
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Re: TIRE WEAR
wills wrote:
Has anyone gotten more than 4,000 miles out of the rear tire? I was wondering if there are any who have had better mileage than this?
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