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So yeah... I'm going to be going away to college next year, and I need something a little more powerful.

I konw this has probably been adressed like 42 times on here, but what are people's opinions on powerful scooters?

I need something that can maintain highway speeds with some ease. I am torn:

MP3 500:
-Stable.
-Cool.
-Expensive.

Scarabeo 500:
-Classic.
-Higher top speed.
-Cheaper.
-Not as stable, but those big wheels must count for something...

So even if someone could point me at another thread, that'd be great.
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Re: MP3 500 vs. Scarabeo 500
Snow Dog wrote:
So yeah... I'm going to be going away to college next year, and I need something a little more powerful.

I konw this has probably been adressed like 42 times on here, but what are people's opinions on powerful scooters?

I need something that can maintain highway speeds with some ease. I am torn:

MP3 500:
-Stable.
-Cool.
-Expensive.

Scarabeo 500:
-Classic.
-Higher top speed.
-Cheaper.
-Not as stable, but those big wheels must count for something...

So even if someone could point me at another thread, that'd be great.
In winter/sloppy weather, I'll take the MP3 over any two wheeler.
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While the 500's have plenty of power you can maintain highway speeds on a 250. Also the Beo doesn't have a lot of space under the seat compared to many other scooters. You may end up needing a top box. The MP3 400 has a lot.
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Coming from Pittsburgh, the fact that an MP3 has three wheels will make it more of a year-round vehicle (which is what I intend on using it as).

How fast will a 250, 400, or 500 go:
-Uphill (for instance, my Fly 150 has a rated top speed of 60, can do 75+ downhill, but struggles to reach 40 up most hills on the interstate)?
-On a highway in Texas, where not only are other drivers maniacs, but the speed limit is 75?

And about storage, a top box is basically a requirement for me anyway, what with the books and everything else that I will be carrying back and forth.
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Snow Dog wrote:
Coming from Pittsburgh, the fact that an MP3 has three wheels will make it more of a year-round vehicle (which is what I intend on using it as).

How fast will a 250, 400, or 500 go:
-Uphill (for instance, my Fly 150 has a rated top speed of 60, can do 75+ downhill, but struggles to reach 40 up most hills on the interstate)?
-On a highway in Texas, where not only are other drivers maniacs, but the speed limit is 75?

And about storage, a top box is basically a requirement for me anyway, what with the books and everything else that I will be carrying back and forth.
Hi Snow Dog,

I have an MP3 250 and have been able to get it up to 75 mph on I-5 (major highway in California). Can keep up with traffic and pass cagers when they are driving too slow (I do have to ensure that I have enough room to get around them). As for storage...the 250/400 have lots of underseat/rear space (moreso than the 500)...I would suggest that you take the things you'd carry back and forth to school and see if it fits, then decide is you need a top case.
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While the 500's have plenty of power you can maintain highway speeds on a 250. Also the Beo doesn't have a lot of space under the seat compared to many other scooters. You may end up needing a top box. The MP3 400 has a lot.
NOT true. It is the Piaggio BV500 that doesn't have under-seat storage. My Scarabeo 500 has room for a full-sized helmet under the seat.
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I have an MP3 400. When I enter the freeway I am up to 70 mph before I realize it. Going up the 405 over the Sepulveda Pass (7 percent grade) I can more than keep up with traffic - 65+ mph with power for passing. It's very stable, and will be more so when I get my Fabbri windscreen installed.
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I think either would be sweet. but seems like the snowbound peeps say the MP 3 . Makes sense that it would be more stable.
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I, like a number of other peeps on here, upgraded from the MP3-250 to the MP3-500 this past summer and, let me tell ya, there is no comparison! The MP3-500 is an entirely different animal. Initially, I was concerned with the smaller under seat storage space but added the 52 liter Givi top box and the Givi tunnel bag and can now carry all the junk from the 250 with room to spare. Last evening I went to Wal-Mart and brought home $106 worth of groceries on the 500 and that did not include any liquor, meat or pharmaceuticals. On the highway the MP3-500 is an absolute delight. I often ride with a large group of motorcyclists and all are amazed at the performance of the 500. As others have said, the MP3 platform is unsurpassed for stability, especially on less than ideal surfaces and weather. Plus, the styling of the MP3-500 just screams "What do you think of my scooter now, bitch!".

To take this one step further, I also own a 2005 Suzuki Boulevard S40 and a 2002 Honda Silver Wing. I haven't been on the Honda since mid-August. I rode the Suzuki a couple of weeks ago to take a "Ride Like A Pro" safety class, which is what I bought it for. If I drop it, the cost is WAAAAY less than if I were to drop the MP3. Other than that, the MP3 gets ALL of the action! I love that bike!

One final comment. My experience with the 500cc Piaggio engine was that, when new, the performance was less than stellar, when compared to the Honda Silver Wing. Having said that, the MP3-500 begins to wake up at around 1000 miles on the clock and seems to continue to get better up to around 3,000 miles, as reported by other owners. I am at 2500 miles on mine and loving each and every one of them.
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Love, love, love, my Scarabeo 500! Lots of underseat storage, lots of power. If you haven't checked it out yet, go to the Aprilia forum for information on the Beo 500: http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=23
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. Last evening I went to Wal-Mart and brought home $106 worth of groceries on the 500 and that did not include any liquor, meat or pharmaceuticals.
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So what is the real power difference between a 400 and a 500? For a few hundred more, I kind of like the styling, and especially the extra power of, the 500, but the 400 has more storage, right?

Or should I just wait for this or another exotic MP3 iteration? Does anyone know the expected cost and top speed of this baby yet?

How is the gas mileage on everything? An MP3 is probably gonna burn more gas than a Scarabeo, but how much more? I'll be riding about half on the highway and half in town (by mileage), if it matters much.

One last thing. How can I justify the difference in cost, since I would be leaning toward the MP3?
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Snow Dog wrote:
So what is the real power difference between a 400 and a 500? For a few hundred more, I kind of like the styling, and especially the extra power of, the 500, but the 400 has more storage, right?

Or should I just wait for this or another exotic MP3 iteration? Does anyone know the expected cost and top speed of this baby yet?

How is the gas mileage on everything? An MP3 is probably gonna burn more gas than a Scarabeo, but how much more? I'll be riding about half on the highway and half in town (by mileage), if it matters much.

One last thing. How can I justify the difference in cost, since I would be leaning toward the MP3?
Snow Dog,

I'm averaging 61 mpg on my MP3 250...yes the MP3 400 (and 250) have more storage space than the MP3 500, but you are correct, the styling is so sleek and devilish. I think it will come down to what purpose you'll use the bike for on your daily commute.
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Hate to keep bumping this thread, but research is making my head spin with options, and I really don't want to clutter the forum with another thread.

Another concern I may have is wind. I figure that trucks will be passing me, no matter how fast I'm going. What with the wind, is there anything I can do to avoid being sucked under them and looking like a scooter pizza?

Doing more research, I came across the Mana 850. It's like a automatic/manual motorcycle, so I'd figure it's not too rude to mention it around here. The gas mileage is okay (around 45 miles to the gallon). It would definately be fast enough for me, and would maintain a lot of the simplicity of a scooter, while allowing me to also experiment with gears and things (of which I have always wanted to play with ever since the MSF course).

What would be best for daily in-town riding, but frequent (probably twice a month or so) rides out of town?

So basically, I am asking:

What to do about wind from passing motorists on the highway.
What bike should I look at more/what are people's experiences in my position with each?

Thanks for helping out...
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Trucks won't pass you riding on a 500, no way. Anyway the wind of a truck passing you is no worse than the wind when you pass a truck...

The Mana is fine for anyone who is happy with a foot-brake as the rear brake. I chose the GP800, which has the rear-brake in the 'proper' place for an automatic bike. A lot comfier too!
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The Mana is fine for anyone who is happy with a foot-brake as the rear brake. I chose the GP800, which has the rear-brake in the 'proper' place for an automatic bike. A lot comfier too!
I wish we had the GP800s over here in the States .
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That is a tough call. If you are into touring, comfort and riding long distances, go with the Scarabeo especially the classic 500GT. It has hard bags a top case and ABS.

If you want to be trendy and high tech then go with the MP3 500. The 3 wheels also count for something. And that is STABILITY.
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No extra stability, honest. Loads of extra grip at the front though.
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I'd like to think its more stable on rough roads, cobblestone, railroad tracks, and that extra grip is handy in gravel, slick roads, concrete, painted lines, etc.

Best bet is to ride them both. The mp3 lets you drive a little sloppier and that can be for better or worse.

I have a Scarabeo 250 and test rode the MP3 250 with intent to buy. The MP3 is a blast and has a smidge more storage if you include a top case. However the 100% price jump made the question moot.

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While the 500's have plenty of power you can maintain highway speeds on a 250. Also the Beo doesn't have a lot of space under the seat compared to many other scooters. You may end up needing a top box. The MP3 400 has a lot.
You are thinking of the 500GT Scarabeo, which they stopped making in 2006. I have a 2007 'Beo 500ie, which holds a lot more than a Vespa GTS does under the seat. My full-face large Shoie helmet fits, with room to spare.
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Snow Dog wrote:
So what is the real power difference between a 400 and a 500? For a few hundred more, I kind of like the styling, and especially the extra power of, the 500, but the 400 has more storage, right?
The difference in price between a 400 and 500 is only a few hundred like you said, but the difference between a 250 and 400 is significant. Ride the 250 - I think you'll like it. Either of the three is a significant leap from your Fly. You won't have a problem climbing hills on any of them.

You seem concerned with highway riding - are you going to be riding between Pittsburgh and Texas or just around campus with the occasional trips on the freeway?
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I have a BV500 which is similar to the Beo. My mileage is in my signature. Anyway I love my BV500. I think for me it came to was the 3rd wheel worth 3k to me? I said know but that is a decision you'll need to make on your own. I have no trouble getting up to 90 or 95 when I need to on the BV.

Another thing you need to think about over top speed is how fast you can get out of some cars way when they are trying to come into your lane. Sometimes the option is to brake which any bike can do efficiently. When braking isn't an option you might need to accelerate. A bike with a top speed of 75 is going to have a slower progression from 60 to 75 than a bike that has a top speed of 98.

I don't know but I would think the two wheel scoots would be slightly faster than the MP3 bikes because of the decreased weight. Can someone verify?
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Trucks won't pass you riding on a 500, no way. Anyway the wind of a truck passing you is no worse than the wind when you pass a truck...
haha you have never been to Texas I take it?

It is common for them to do 80mph on major interstates.
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jimc wrote:
Trucks won't pass you riding on a 500, no way. Anyway the wind of a truck passing you is no worse than the wind when you pass a truck...
haha you have never been to Texas I take it?

It is common for them to do 80mph on major interstates.
I second that...
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