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Curious how indie mom and pop stores across the u.s are doing with the economic downturn as of late?

Seeing big stores like Mervyns, Circuit City, and others close/file chapter 11 makes me wonder.

And so...all the more reason to try and support your local fav. eatery, clothing shop, scooter store.

Ride your scoot (enjoy the lower gas prices for now), and hang tough...
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My wife and I have a "Mom & Pop." We've been seeing 20 - 30% growth each month these 3 years in operation (part of the newbie curve, but good just the same). Our one "bad" month was this past Oct., same as last year's Oct. November is off to a good start. We have a home/pet (dog) mix. We are just coming into season, so it will be interesting to see how it works out. Snowbirds are returning and tourists will be here soon too. We're also lucky to be in a, dare I say, recession resistant area. Mom & Pops' best defense is service. We know our customers by name, fair pricing, extra personal touches. It's a cliche, but service with a smile. Old fashioned in a good way.
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i think restaurant are doing horribly. i can name 3 within 10 miles of me that have closed since september, and 1 more that is for sale. these were all places that have been around 10+ years.
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It's a lot more complicated an issue than I'm willing to explore, but I'd bet most of these businesses shutting doors are doing so in part to any one or both of the following:

1. Over-saturation in the market (how does a Circuit city survive among the Best Buys, Walmarts, Targets and Costcos selling TVs, DVDs, cameras etc.? How many boutique/chain clothing stores like Forever 21, GAP, Urban Outfitters, American Apparel, GUESS, Diesel, Banana Republic can survive an economic downturn sitting next to each other on the same high-rent block?)

2. Changing market/consumer habits (both the Ford and Hummer dealerships in my city have shut their doors)

I wish there was Vespa dealership less than 20 miles from my door, but I can understand why dealers are sensitive about other dealerships encroaching on their territory, good or bad customer service not withstanding. Putting Vespa dealerships in the category of "mom & pop" organizations, I hope they fare well.
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When I heard Mother's Cookies shut down I just about had a conniption. No more frosted animal cookies! No more Taffy cookies! No more of those little chocolate sandwich cookies in the big mixed bag!...
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WHAT???!! Now that's news to me, really...Mother's Cookies??

And scooter related...I do think with times like these customer service will keep customers... I'm considering whether to continue using my local dealer (they sell motorcycles and Vespa/Piaggios) where I bought my scoot or driving 30 miles over the hill to go to a Vespa only dealership for service. Knowledgable, friendly staff speaks volumes.
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When I heard Mother's Cookies shut down I just about had a conniption. No more frosted animal cookies! No more Taffy cookies! No more of those little chocolate sandwich cookies in the big mixed bag!...
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When I heard Mother's Cookies shut down I just about had a conniption. No more frosted animal cookies! No more Taffy cookies! No more of those little chocolate sandwich cookies in the big mixed bag!...
NOOOOOOoooooooo!!!!!!! My dd loves those frosted animal cookies Crying or Very sad emoticon And she's 17.
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Good insights robotribe.

Brings back memories of econ classes in business school.

Other factors:
* threat of new entrants. (e.g competitive analysis)
* bargaining power of suppliers.
* substitute goods. (e.g scooter/bus for cars).
* price elasticity ( i forget this one, and will have to look up).

How's biz with your t-shirts? Is fullfillment primarily through the web?

Best, Charles
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It's a lot more complicated an issue than I'm willing to explore, but I'd bet most of these businesses shutting doors are doing so in part to any one or both of the following:

1. Over-saturation in the market (how does a Circuit city survive among the Best Buys, Walmarts, Targets and Costcos selling TVs, DVDs, cameras etc.? How many boutique/chain clothing stores like Forever 21, GAP, Urban Outfitters, American Apparel, GUESS, Diesel, Banana Republic can survive an economic downturn sitting next to each other on the same high-rent block?)

2. Changing market/consumer habits (both the Ford and Hummer dealerships in my city have shut their doors)

I wish there was Vespa dealership less than 20 miles from my door, but I can understand why dealers are sensitive about other dealerships encroaching on their territory, good or bad customer service not withstanding. Putting Vespa dealerships in the category of "mom & pop" organizations, I hope they fare well.
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Indeed, that and oreo's would suck!

But for sure..the animal cookies rocked.

Reminds me to go and try to buy some if there are any left on the shelves
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When I heard Mother's Cookies shut down I just about had a conniption. No more frosted animal cookies! No more Taffy cookies! No more of those little chocolate sandwich cookies in the big mixed bag!...
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I try to buy local and support our mom & pop's. When they are gone we will be at the mercy of the big box retailers (that survive) with no personal service, no "make it right" attitude and have unemployed neighbors and friends. That said, I recently had to buy a part that I could install. $150 + tax at local dealer or $100 online, free shipping and no tax. Whatya do? If the local guy could have given some and not tried to BS me about why his same part was better, I would have bought local.
People are hunkering down and foregoing/postponing buying things they don't need, some even those they do. That will dry up markets dependent on discretionary spending. The kicker is that the downward spiral is driven by non-consumption just the same as the upward spiral was propelled by spending that was fueled, in part, by escalating and artificial home "values" and easy credit.
We will get through this but it will be a rough ride. Support your local mom & pop's (who are reasonable) as much as you can.
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I believe that one thing that hurts the big stores, except Target and Wal-Mart, is over-building. Too many stores not enough cash to go around.
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I believe that one thing that hurts the big stores, except Target and Wal-Mart, is over-building. Too many stores not enough cash to go around.
Never liked Circuit City myself. Prices were not so great, plus they had this screwy strict return policy... Too many other big electronics stores operate more customer friendly, AFAIC...
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I work at a small toy store owned by a local couple (they also own one in another town). It's still going fairly slow for being November, but we do have an advantage of being one of the very few toy stores in town. We also try to carry a lot of stuff the big box stores don't... classic wooden toys, things without big company logos, etc.

The store has good days and bad days, but is overall pretty good. People may cut back a bit, but they're always going to buy toys for their kids (especially with the upcoming holidays). It also helps that we're right next door to a kid-friendly haircut place. Frequently, if little Billy or Suzie behaves for their haircut, they get to come next door to our store to pick out a reward toy. Usually nothing expensive, but you get a dozen or more of those kind of customers a day, and it does add up.

On the flip side, the owners' other store is in a touristy town up in the mountains. That store pretty much supports the other one in the summer. But once it starts getting cold, they don't do much business at all up there, even for Christmas.
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Well said.

and to add re: the downward spiral. For as long as folks continue to loose their homes/foreclose, all the ancillary markets (e.g furnishings, tv, etc) are going to suffer. No house= no need to buy stuff for it.

Also, what really got us into this mess on top of people buying houses who couldn't afford their mortgage, was using their house's value (e.g equity) as an ATV machine to live beyond their means and buy all kinds of stuff for that lavish house.

Ugh...downward spiral for sure. It's a tangled mess for sure.
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I try to buy local and support our mom & pop's. When they are gone we will be at the mercy of the big box retailers (that survive) with no personal service, no "make it right" attitude and have unemployed neighbors and friends. That said, I recently had to buy a part that I could install. $150 + tax at local dealer or $100 online, free shipping and no tax. Whatya do? If the local guy could have given some and not tried to BS me about why his same part was better, I would have bought local.
People are hunkering down and foregoing/postponing buying things they don't need, some even those they do. That will dry up markets dependent on discretionary spending. The kicker is that the downward spiral is driven by non-consumption just the same as the upward spiral was propelled by spending that was fueled, in part, by escalating and artificial home "values" and easy credit.
We will get through this but it will be a rough ride. Support your local mom & pop's (who are reasonable) as much as you can.
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Nice one witch.

You're on the money. Find the niche market, and people will continue to support ya. And yes, location is key.

Hang tough, and hope the holidays are good.

Snow season will be fun!
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I work at a small toy store owned by a local couple (they also own one in another town). It's still going fairly slow for being November, but we do have an advantage of being one of the very few toy stores in town. We also try to carry a lot of stuff the big box stores don't... classic wooden toys, things without big company logos, etc.

The store has good days and bad days, but is overall pretty good. People may cut back a bit, but they're always going to buy toys for their kids (especially with the upcoming holidays). It also helps that we're right next door to a kid-friendly haircut place. Frequently, if little Billy or Suzie behaves for their haircut, they get to come next door to our store to pick out a reward toy. Usually nothing expensive, but you get a dozen or more of those kind of customers a day, and it does add up.

On the flip side, the owners' other store is in a touristy town up in the mountains. That store pretty much supports the other one in the summer. But once it starts getting cold, they don't do much business at all up there, even for Christmas.
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I'm so sorry to hear about Mother's Cookies. I grew up on them. I loved the taffy ones, and the oatmeal ones which had no resemblence to any other oatmeal cookies, but still. Our mom would limit us to 3 cookies, so we naturally wanted big ones. We'd dunk them in milk. I don't think we ever had Oreos growing up.
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How's biz with your t-shirts? Is fullfillment primarily through the web?
Good. Brick and mortar rule over internet, which was to be expected.
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recessions stop people from spending money on crap they dont need such as huge lcd tv`s gas guzzling cars gambling etc weeds out unnecessary spending back to the essentials my generation have had it so good for so long now they arent used to having to scrimp save and do it "tough" so many young people live way beyond their means, racking up huge credit card debts and applying for loans they cant afford....if you dont have the money dont buy it.....its that simple. this entire economic crises was caused by banks loaning money to anybody with a pulse regardless of their ability to pay the money back.
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i think restaurant are doing horribly. i can name 3 within 10 miles of me that have closed since september, and 1 more that is for sale. these were all places that have been around 10+ years.
My wife and I went to Olive Garden last Thursday around 5:30 pm. We had a 30 minute wait, on a Thursday which is supposed to be one of the slowest nights. When the manager walked around all the tables to check in on the food and service I asked him how business was and he said " Crazy busy, want a job?" On a side note I see where McDonald's is considering increasing their dollar menu.
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Was listening to a podcast on the way to work this morning put out by Clark Howard, (consumer advocate and financial guru). He was talking about Circuit City and the idiotic actions of the previous CEO. Clark said that the CEO fired all of the long-time, experienced employees and managers in an attempt to cut expenses. Basically, he fired all the knowledgeable, loyal employees that are the heart and soul of any company. Of course, customers now obtaining substandard service, they took their business elsewhere.

Treat your employees honorably and your customers as your boss and your company will thrive and succeed. The dealership where I purchased my Vespa runs his business this way, and he is one of the most successful Vespa dealerships in the nation.
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I'm showing my age, but I remember a candy store on nearly every corner (this is before I moved to the Boondocks, then living in east coast mid-size towns). For a nickel to a quarter you could get stuff like wax things that looked like old coke bottles about three, four inches long- you bit into them and they were filled with syrup. Or balsa wood planes, or rubber band planes, kites, etc. One place sold milkshakes like in the fifties soda-jerk style, except it was now the early-mid sixties. There was a butcher shop with sawdust dumped on the floor which I liked to push around while my mother haggled prices. The hardware stores were small dark places with creaking wood floors and many isles of buckets and trays filled, in endless rows with bolts and nails.

These days I try to support local business but this means going to Ace Hardware instead of Home Depot, and a smaller scoot shop that is 25 miles away instead of one that is 60 miles away but much larger. My wife has things better put together. She is head of and runs a local food co-op. She buys bulk food like grain and veggies, sometimes beef and bison that is grown within 100 miles by small farmers. Sometimes she has to stretch the distance a bit, but the food is the best I've ever eaten.

So there are ways to fight back. Her blog is http://www.lovelandlocal.blogspot.com
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i support local mom and pops as much as i can (bought eggs from a farmer yesterday), but 9 times out of 10, everything they sell is made in china as well. i've never been in the local guy hardware store that had plastic tubs made in indiana or lightbulbs made in des moines.
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Unfortunately, there is still a Hummer dealer in Pasadena.

I will miss those frosted animal cookies...my waistline will not.
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Unfortunately, there is still a Hummer dealer in Pasadena.
If you're talking about the one next to Target on Colorado near Madre Ave., maybe it's been a while since you've been by there. Two weekends ago I saw a whole lot of asphalt on a very empty dealer lot.
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Team Hummer? I always thought that was an interesting name. Looked in business last night while I was enjoying a mai tai at Fu Shing across the street, however I could be wrong.

I do frequently find myself racing hummers from stop light to stop light.
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Topskanker wrote:
When I heard Mother's Cookies shut down I just about had a conniption. No more frosted animal cookies! No more Taffy cookies! No more of those little chocolate sandwich cookies in the big mixed bag!...
+1 (only i liked the coconut and the oatmeal cookies.)
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I believe that one thing that hurts the big stores, except Target and Wal-Mart, is over-building. Too many stores not enough cash to go around.
lots of walmart commercials on tv lately.
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Team Hummer? I always thought that was an interesting name. Looked in business last night while I was enjoying a mai tai at Fu Shing across the street, however I could be wrong.

I do frequently find myself racing hummers from stop light to stop light.
Maybe they were moving their inventory around two weekends ago, but I did notice it enough to announce it to my wife when I got home ("Guess what, honey...HUMMER has left the building!").

There was a lone, white Hummer H3 sitting there all lonely-like. Seemed like the Hyundai part of the dealership was still going though.
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