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I have ridden a two-wheeler in California and legally split lanes there. Now, with my scoot one year old and with 1,500 miles, I am getting bolder illegally splitting lanes around DC. It sure speeds things up in DC's famously congested traffic. I would like advice, though, on whether the time saved is worth any safety trade-off.
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Personal choice based on how much an individual values their time and the value of their safety. It's different for everyone.
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Personal choice based on how much an individual values their time and the value of their safety. It's different for everyone.
Perfectly stated.

Nobody can say what's right for you - not the bike you ride, the gear you wear (or don't), nor the way you ride.

I've not driven in D.C., but I've heard nightmares about "beltway traffic." If it were me, I'd be splitting.
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i split lanes in dead stopped traffic, but never on the right.... EVER.

but its legal.

and people can see me coming with my white helmet on from a mile back.
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to split or not to split......that is the qestion
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I would like advice, though, on whether the time saved is worth any safety trade-off.
Um... are you for real?
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i split lanes in dead stopped traffic, but never on the right.... EVER.

but its legal.

and people can see me coming with my white helmet on from a mile back.
Well...passing on the right in CA is ILLEGAL!!! I'm glad you don't do it! How have you been?
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I split lanes in moving or stationary traffic. On the left, right, whatever. I get a real thrill fighting traffic and "making progress". I've got a part-time job as a sammich delivery driver, and that hasn't helped any. However I'm not stupid about it, and try and stay hyper-aware of everything around me and only split lanes if it's the very last option.
Yes, I know that for some of you I just said I'm not stupid about being stupid.
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In dense traffic I actually find it safer to lane split than to sit between cars. If the lane brakes suddenly, your chances of hitting the car in front of you and flying over it are much greater, IMHO.
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When queueing up in front of a red traffic light, I might crawl to the front
But only when traffic has completly stopped and the queue is considderably long.
Also there has to be plenty of space to do so, either via turn-off lanes (either right or left) or when there is NO frontal traffic in the other lane.
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When queueing up in front of a red traffic light, I might crawl to the front
But only when traffic has completly stopped and the queue is considderably long.
I think that is the best approach. Splitting in moving traffic feels very unsafe. When the cages are stopped, though, they really cannot hurt me.
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I split lanes every time there is an oppertunity. The scooter is so much more narrow than a motorcycle so on my 30 min ride last night on the freeway I made great time and did it safely. It is always fun to pass the Harey lane splitters with their much widder bikes. Razz emoticon
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I split lanes every time there is an oppertunity. The scooter is so much more narrow than a motorcycle so on my 30 min ride last night on the freeway I made great time and did it safely. It is always fun to pass the Harey lane splitters with their much widder bikes. Razz emoticon
Saw a guy split lanes about two weeks ago (it's illegal here) and he got creamed when the cager in the left lane decided to cross into the right lane to make a turn.
Lane splitting may be legal in some places, but I think you're flirting with suicide. Maybe lane splitters have a death wish, trying to atone for past misdeeds.
What do you really gain by lane splitting???
Once the traffic starts to move, you just crank on and pass as per normal.
It's only is a matter of a few minutes, if not seconds to get going.
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Like others here, I split lanes, but only at traffic signals or if freeway traffic is fully stopped. It may be legal, but I'd rather not take the risk with moving traffic and a vehicle that has relatively low visibility, esp to those dang SUV's everywhere.
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I would like advice, though, on whether the time saved is worth any safety trade-off.
You'll have to give us some idea what your life is worth. Low value - no problem.
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What do you really gain by lane splitting???
Home twenty minutes earlier.
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What do you really gain by lane splitting???
Home twenty minutes earlier.
OR, 20 minutes sooner to the ER and then the funeral home.
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What do you really gain by lane splitting???
Home twenty minutes earlier.
OR, 20 minutes sooner to the ER and then the funeral home.
Just as there are no guarantees that one will get home sooner by lane splitting, there are no guarantees you'll be killed any easier by doing it. It's allowed here in California under within certain criteria. The cops here do it; even at high speeds. Assuming that just because it's done, whether safely or not, will mean a trip to the E.R. or funeral home is overstating. Judgement is key. I'd say the person you described got creamed because the made the wrong call in that situation, which doesn't mean lane splitting is unsafe in all conditions.
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For people in states where it is not legal to lane split you do not do it and I am sure you would not be comfortable doing it so I can see you concern. As for safety or not there are arguements that claim it is safer to split lanes so someone does not plow into he back of you and kill you. I have never been in or had an accident on 2 wheels. It can happen at an time but I think it comes down to your comfort level. If you are afraid then don't do it, if you are not then do it but judging me for doing it all the time or suggesting I only do it to save time is wrong. I do it because it is safer and because it is legal. Plain and simple.
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What do you really gain by lane splitting???
Home twenty minutes earlier.
OR, 20 minutes sooner to the ER and then the funeral home.
Just as there are no guarantees that one will get home sooner by lane splitting, there are no guarantees you'll be killed any easier by doing it. It's allowed here in California under within certain criteria. The cops here do it; even at high speeds. Assuming that just because it's done, whether safely or not, will mean a trip to the E.R. or funeral home is overstating. Judgement is key. I'd say the person you described got creamed because the made the wrong call in that situation, which doesn't mean lane splitting is unsafe in all conditions.
+1 Well said robotribe.
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What do you really gain by lane splitting???
Home twenty minutes earlier.
OR, 20 minutes sooner to the ER and then the funeral home.
Just as there are no guarantees that one will get home sooner by lane splitting, there are no guarantees you'll be killed any easier by doing it. It's allowed here in California under within certain criteria. The cops here do it; even at high speeds. Assuming that just because it's done, whether safely or not, will mean a trip to the E.R. or funeral home is overstating. Judgement is key. I'd say the person you described got creamed because the made the wrong call in that situation, which doesn't mean lane splitting is unsafe in all conditions.
+1 Well said robotribe.
You can justify drink driving with the same logic, if you don't get caught, or in an accident, no problem.
Same as a cell phone, or other distractions while driving.
Any operation of a motor vehicle, 2,3 or 4 wheel that is contrary to sensibility and logic is, in my opinion, a death wish, or a rush to suicide. Just look at the stats.
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This argument reminds me of this video.

The word that comes to mind is False dilemma

The informal fallacy of false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, or bifurcation) involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are other options. Closely related are failing to consider a range of options and the tendency to think in extremes, called black-and-white thinking. Strictly speaking, the prefix "di" in "dilemma" means "two". When a list of more than two choices are offered, but there are other choices not mentioned, then the fallacy is called the fallacy of false choice.

When a person really does have only two choices, as in the classic short story The Lady or the Tiger, then they are often said to be "on the horns of a dilemma".

False dilemma can arise intentionally, when fallacy is used in an attempt to force a choice ("If you are not with us, you are against us.") But the fallacy can arise simply by accidental omission-possibly through a form of wishful thinking or ignorance-rather than by deliberate deception.

When two alternatives are presented, they are often, though not always, two extreme points on some spectrum of possibilities. This can lend credence to the larger argument by giving the impression that the options are mutually exclusive, even though they need not be. Furthermore, the options are typically presented as being collectively exhaustive, in which case the fallacy can be overcome, or at least weakened, by considering other possibilities, or perhaps by considering a whole spectrum of possibilities, as in fuzzy logic.
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A similar situation is the cagers who zig and zag and accelerate and decelerate in an attempt to take advantage of a few feet of space in the lanes, rarely arriving at the destination much quicker than those who drive smoothly and primarily stay in one lane--but the zig-zaggers get their adrenalin rush and their heart rate up! A couple of days ago, I watched one zig when he should have zagged--his old Cherokee tapped a Ford F150, barely scratched the Ford but took out the left front fender and the radiator of the Jeep--saved him lots and lots of time. Razz emoticon

As for me, I don't see the need for me to split, legal or not. I'm just not in that much of a hurry. Others may differ. But I don't bounce all that good any more, and I really don't want to scratch my scoot or break me. I've seen too many folks open their doors to spit or just to relatch them, and that's all it would take to ruin a lane-splitter's day.

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Please read this article. Link

Below is a quote from the article.
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Yet, according to a study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Transportation and conducted by University of Southern California professor Harry Hurt, going between cars during stop-and-go is actually safer than waiting in a lane. "For a motorcyclist, that's the safest place to be," Hurt said after releasing his study. "A lot of people think it's a hazard, but the cold, hard facts are that it's not."

The reason for this is that a motorcyclist stopped in a lane is more likely to be struck from behind by an inattentive driver than to get into an accident during lane sharing.
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Splitting should be legal everywhere.
I do it all the time in stopped traffic, at lights, on the freeway.
I am judicious about it, though, so rarely split when traffic is moving at more than a moderate pace.

I only wish the damned 'Bot's dots' weren't so prevalent here in Cali.
They kinda freak me out.
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Go ahead and split. Otherwise what is the point of having a two wheeler?
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Saw a guy split lanes about two weeks ago (it's illegal here) and he got creamed when the cager in the left lane decided to cross into the right lane to make a turn.
Lane splitting may be legal in some places, but I think you're flirting with suicide. Maybe lane splitters have a death wish, trying to atone for past misdeeds.
What do you really gain by lane splitting???
I think it's different here (London) because:
1) it's legal, and a common practise, so car drivers [should be] used to bikes filtering (as we call lane splitting). Of course, there's always drivers who are inconsiderate, and when filtering I adopt the common urban technique of assuming that THEY ARE ALL OUT TO GET YOU and expecting all other road users to do something stupid.

2) if you didn't filter in London, you'd pretty much sit still and go nowhere. Pedestrians would be making better progress.
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likewise in singapore. lane splitting is the norm, and the whole point of being on a bike here is we can all leave the office at the same time but bikers can be home and watching tv while the cagers are still stuck in the world's biggest carpark.
like most of you i do it if traffic's at a standstill, just to creep to the front and pull away at the lights. if the traffic's moving i'll just tag along and overtake if i'm in a rush. we just have to look out for taxis, though not all are nasty but some deliberately edge out when they see bikers approaching, just to narrow our passage. scumbags.
to get our motorcycle licence we have to ride the narrow plank (1ft wide, about 15ft long, in more than 6 seconds) as one of the 6 must-pass stations during the test. talk is that this obstacle was introduced because if we wanna split lanes we must learn to creep along without losing our balance.
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As countless threads have proved, lane splitting is favored where it is permitted, and feared where it is not. It is a valuable tool for relieving congestion in dense urban areas, and where permitted, it is expected by 4-wheel drivers we share the road with, increasing the safety of its practice. I have lane split on the freeway up to probably 60+ mph and always feel safe. All of my close calls have been while occupying a lane by myself on a city street, as a cager pulls in front of me at an intersection.

It's easy to fear something that's unfamiliar. If lane-splitting was truly dangerous, those that did it the most would be able to tell you why, but reality shows the opposite.

And you ask what time it saves???? Maybe in a small town not so much, but I can get anywhere in LA in 15-20 mins tops. Those that don't think this is a feat should visit sometime.
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