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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:05:26 +0000 linkquote
It can get 9 shirts, 1 suit and 2 skirts (my wifes) to the dry cleaners in the pet carrier.

It can't get them home.
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:24:11 +0000 linkquote
What can't a Vespa do well?


Pick all that up from the dry cleaner when finished and get it home wrinkle free

Unless you have a passenger to hold it and let it fly in the wind or maybe we just need a pole like they use at the counter to hang it off the scoot with.
Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:48:50 +0000

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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:48:50 +0000 linkquote
...I haven't been able to get it to make me a latte yet (but I'm told the ET4's glovebox accommodates a double tall nicely ).
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:00:02 +0000 linkquote
Pet carrier???
Hi there!

By pet carrier do you mean the under-seat storage area?

Please don't put your pets under there! They will not be able to breathe and will slow-cook from the heat!

Of course, perhaps you mean something completely different. Us Aussies do walk around upside down after all and maybe the blood has just gone to my head!

Cheers,
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:05:35 +0000

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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:05:35 +0000 linkquote
Re: Pet carrier???
BobTheBuilder wrote:
By pet carrier do you mean the under-seat storage area?
Craig, we joke about calling them the "pet carrier" or sometimes "heated pet carrier" as we in the US have stickers on them saying NO PETS.

No sane person would carry a pet in there ... but somebody did ... hence the sticker.
Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:52:43 +0000

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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:52:43 +0000 linkquote
Re: Pet carrier???
Tikka Masala wrote:
BobTheBuilder wrote:
By pet carrier do you mean the under-seat storage area?
Craig, we joke about calling them the "pet carrier" or sometimes "heated pet carrier" as we in the US have stickers on them saying NO PETS.

No sane person would carry a pet in there ... but somebody did ... hence the sticker.
I call it my "slow cooker" . . .

-Mel
Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:04:50 +0000

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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:04:50 +0000 linkquote
If you drill a few air holes in it, it's perfectly safe for small dogs and cats. Quite comfortable on long winter trips where the engine keeps them warmer than the rider.
Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:23:59 +0000

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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:23:59 +0000 linkquote
So the Winnebago cruise-control story is not just an urban myth then?

Cheers,
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:30:37 +0000

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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:30:37 +0000 linkquote
Nope - not an urban myth. Add that level of twisted creativity to a litigeous society and the wacky warning stickers just keep coming.


I managed to get my dry-cleaning home on the GT. I rolled it up gently, secured the roll to the hanger and used the bag hook. Not one serious wrinkle! I suspect it won't work for suits, but it was fine for a dress, two blouses and a jacket.
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:39:17 +0000 linkquote
109 in the shade
The small glove box on the GTS's also gets really hot and it'll melt items like chap-stick amd make sun block into a liquid. I think the raditors also make the temp gauge read about 3 degrees high.



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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:28:05 +0000 linkquote
JerryG wrote:
If you drill a few air holes in it, it's perfectly safe for small dogs and cats. Quite comfortable on long winter trips where the engine keeps them warmer than the rider.
Dude, now you're starting to scare me.

Re: laundary. I've taught my son how you dry clothes while driving between soccer games. It involves the radio's antena and duct tape. If you had a big whip antenna like a police chopper we could rig something up!
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:34:21 +0000 linkquote
Re: What can't a Vespa do well?
JerryG wrote:
It can get 9 shirts, 1 suit and 2 skirts (my wifes) to the dry cleaners in the pet carrier.

It can't get them home.
Jerry,

To get back to your original question

Q: What can't a Vespa do well?
A: Runs to Costco are out of the question.
Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:34:24 +0000

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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:34:24 +0000 linkquote
I just carried a 35lb bag of dog food home on my ET4.
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:36:40 +0000 linkquote
Tikka Masala wrote:
What can't a Vespa do well?


Pick all that up from the dry cleaner when finished and get it home wrinkle free

Unless you have a passenger to hold it and let it fly in the wind or maybe we just need a pole like they use at the counter to hang it off the scoot with.
You could just bungee the fresh, clean clothing to your back and ride home.
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:44:04 +0000 linkquote
Re: What can't a Vespa do well?
jrsjr wrote:
Q: What can't a Vespa do well?
A: Runs to Costco are out of the question.
I think not.
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:24:12 +0000 linkquote
Re: What can't a Vespa do well?
jess wrote:
jrsjr wrote:
Q: What can't a Vespa do well?
A: Runs to Costco are out of the question.
I think not.
I agree with Jess. Ihave done may runs to BJ's (similar to Costco). I bring plastic bags with me. So I have bags hanging from all over the Vespa. I always get a smile and a look of amazement from other shoppers as I leave the parking lot.
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:27:29 +0000 linkquote
A salesgirl at my Vespa dealer says she can bungee a large package of toilet paper from Sam's Club onto her GTS. She doesn't have a cargo box, just a luggage rack.
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:40:55 +0000 linkquote
FarSideMan wrote:
A salesgirl at my Vespa dealer says she can bungee a large package of toilet paper from Sam's Club onto her GTS.
Does the speed of a GTS scare her a LOT then??
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:55:48 +0000 linkquote
I solved the dry cleaning issue the other day. On the ET4 we have the bag hook on the front of the seat so I hung the clothes on the rod at the cleaners and then took the bottom of the plastic bags and tied them in one big knot. I then hooked the clothes on the hook and rode home, 5-8 minutes. Got home and undid (sp) the knot, no wrinkles to speak of. The knot keeps them in place and allows your feet to hold the bags from swinging.
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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:56:47 +0000 linkquote
Re: What can't a Vespa do well?
jrsjr wrote:
JerryG wrote:
It can get 9 shirts, 1 suit and 2 skirts (my wifes) to the dry cleaners in the pet carrier.

It can't get them home.
Jerry,

To get back to your original question

Q: What can't a Vespa do well?
A: Runs to Costco are out of the question.
That's so true.

A bag of ice and a six pack in the pet carrier works, but not Ice Cream
Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:57:57 +0000

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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:57:57 +0000 linkquote
About the only thing a Vespa can't do well is pass on the highway.
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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:54:08 +0000 linkquote
Re: What can't a Vespa do well?
vanslam wrote:
jess wrote:
jrsjr wrote:
Q: What can't a Vespa do well?
A: Runs to Costco are out of the question.
I think not.
I agree with Jess. Ihave done may runs to BJ's (similar to Costco). I bring plastic bags with me. So I have bags hanging from all over the Vespa. I always get a smile and a look of amazement from other shoppers as I leave the parking lot.
Wait until you guys try to bring home a case of 38 1/2L bottles of water and a 40 pound bag of dog food. Then we'll chat.
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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:00:45 +0000 linkquote
Re: Pet carrier???
BobTheBuilder wrote:
Hi there!

By pet carrier do you mean the under-seat storage area?

Please don't put your pets under there! They will not be able to breathe and will slow-cook from the heat!
Yes, but if you put a 5 lb roast surrounded by potatoes and a few carrots, season to taste. Go on a scoot for 45 min at 95F, dinner is served.
Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:41:35 +0000

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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:41:35 +0000 linkquote
Re: Pet carrier???
stldon wrote:
BobTheBuilder wrote:
Hi there!

By pet carrier do you mean the under-seat storage area?

Please don't put your pets under there! They will not be able to breathe and will slow-cook from the heat!
Yes, but if you put a 5 lb roast surrounded by potatoes and a few carrots, season to taste. Go on a scoot for 45 min at 95F, dinner is served.
I put two tamales in my pet warmer on my ride to the top of Mt. Evans. When we stopped for lunch, I had two very nicely warmed tamales. Made me think I should start writing a cookbook on how to use your heated pet carrier for all kinds of culinary delights.

And I just had an idea for a magic trick. Put one small dog in. Ride around. And then, voila, pull out a dozen cooked hot dogs.
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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:52:57 +0000 linkquote
Er... hmmn.
It can't cost under 4k new OTD

It's also ill-equipped to carry my pets
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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:22:20 +0000 linkquote
Re: Pet carrier???
Nukie wrote:
I put two tamales in my pet warmer on my ride to the top of Mt. Evans. When we stopped for lunch, I had two very nicely warmed tamales. Made me think I should start writing a cookbook on how to use your heated pet carrier for all kinds of culinary delights.
I'd contribute to that cookbook.
Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:46:17 +0000

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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:46:17 +0000 linkquote
I like the way it's gone from "pet carrier" to "pet warmer"....
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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:50:53 +0000 linkquote
Scoots wrote:
I like the way it's gone from "pet carrier" to "pet warmer"....
It could have gone the other way very easily. "pet carrier" to "pet Cooker"
Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:29:36 +0000

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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:29:36 +0000 linkquote
I wonder if I put some mesquite brisquites in there, a steak, and rode for 30 minutes @ 45mph outside temp 110° if I could get it medium rare, or well done
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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:45:32 +0000 linkquote
If we take the pet carrier out do we end up with heated seats?
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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:05:09 +0000 linkquote
The cookbook is a great idea. Hey it worked for that beer can guy. I bet in phoenix all you would need to do is set the scoot in the sun. The pet carrier could be the oven and the seat the warmer. Original question i still haven't been able to teach it how to do it's own maintance. One would think that being italian it would like to look and feel good. Oh well. 8)
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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:08:57 +0000 linkquote
Lets see. Vespa. What can't it do? It can't do 100 miles an hour. Well mine can't atleast.

Slow cooker eh. I once had a quaker outmeal bar thingy that you can buy at the store in the slow cooker. 30 mins to work pull it out and it was all nice and warm. It says 10 seconds in the nuker but why do that when you can toss it into the warmer. Saves time.
Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:32:43 +0000

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Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:32:43 +0000 linkquote
It can still not mow the yard, Beale.
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Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:34:22 +0000 linkquote
Re: What can't a Vespa do well?
vanslam wrote:
jess wrote:
jrsjr wrote:
Q: What can't a Vespa do well?
A: Runs to Costco are out of the question.
I think not.
Wait until you guys try to bring home a case of 38 1/2L bottles of water and a 40 pound bag of dog food. Then we'll chat.
Is that a challenge?
   

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