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Louisiana_Geezer wrote:
BTW, My 2008 Fly's VIN starts like this... ZAPM578F38

I do know that the Z indicates Italy; can't say what the other figures represent. Last digits omitted for obvious reasons.
ZAP is Italy/Piaggio, so it may be that yours is an Italian built Fly.
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JLB wrote:
President Robert Cooper wrote:
So far, I do believe the Fly is a class act. There are many people that do bring down the Fly because it's made in China. However, let me point out that the Fly is assembled in China with Piaggio components.
Check the VIN number on the Fly. It is made in China, and should begin with the letters "LBM". The letter "L" designates Chinese manufacture.

It is my understanding that the engine is made in China, and had not heard that the bike was merely assembled in China from Italian parts. Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
It doesn't matter, JLB. I'd be just as happy with my Fly if it were made in Botswana or Havana.
I am not disparaging the Fly. I've never ridden one, and they look nice. The only issue is that I believe people will pay more on resale for an Italian built Piaggio rather than a Chinese one, so that is one factor to consider when buying one.

Louisiana_Geezer wrote:
If you extrapolate what you're saying to the auto industry, then a Toyota built in the USA should be inferior to one built in the Far East... or Bolivia or any other plant that company uses. It's all part of the marketing myth that keeps people believing that their Marysville Ohio Honda is better than my Detroit Michigan Ford.
The Honda is superior bceause it doesn't start in a $3,000 hole to pay off retired Honda workers, and can use that $ on better quality materials.
Louisiana_Geezer wrote:
While there's a lot of junk coming out of China, there's a lot of junk in Italy too. One of the worst cars I've ever owned was a 1968 Fiat Spyder. I gave up on it after 6 months since it was in the shop more than it was on the road.
Fiat stands for "Fix it again, Tony".

The new Pandas are supposed to be great cars though.
Louisiana_Geezer wrote:
True, my Fly is only 7 months old, but unless there's some kind of alarm clock in it that goes off the day after my warranty expires, I'd have to say to you just as I said to a friend who said he buys Japanese cars because he hears that American cars are so unreliable that he doesn't want to get stranded out on the highway. I suspect that the Chinese-built Flys are just as good as the ones that were built in Italy. Only time will tell.
Maybe so, but I would pay more for an Italian Fly than a Chinese one, just as the original Vespas would carry a premium value over a Bajaj.

Does that make sense?
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So far, I do believe the Fly is a class act. There are many people that do bring down the Fly because it's made in China. However, let me point out that the Fly is assembled in China with Piaggio components. But I do believe that the new Fly is stylish, and for the price, you can't beat its performance. Compared to a Vino, the Fly makes it look ridiculous.

There's just one little nitpick that I've always had with the Fly:
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That is what cheapens the Fly significantly, especially when the LT's dashboard looks like this:
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And the Vespa ET4's dashboard looks like this:
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See what I mean about the Fly being cheap next to a Vespa?

But I wonder...has anyone swapped the speedos from an LT onto a Fly? I'm planning to do that.
Sorry...I couldn't get the pics to load properly before, but now I have so i could prove my point.

Overall, the new Fly looks great, and it doesn't bother me that much that it's from China or its resale value won't be so high.

But...there's just something about that dashboard...especially since it could have looked like that...
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That is what cheapens the Fly significantly, especially when the LT's dashboard looks like this:
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That's gotta be an LT 50 dash. The LT 150 has an 80 mph speedo.

But yes, I agree that the LT speedo and the ET-4 are pure class.

I don't dislike the Fly dash, but I prefer the LT dash.
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President Robert Cooper wrote:
That is what cheapens the Fly significantly, especially when the LT's dashboard looks like this:
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That's gotta be an LT 50 dash. The LT 150 has an 80 mph speedo.

But yes, I agree that the LT speedo and the ET-4 are pure class.

I don't dislike the Fly dash, but I prefer the LT dash.
Yes, it is a LT50 dash. Also, the LT50 doesn't have that "PIAGGIO CODE" light at the bottom of the speedometer.

Has anyone tried to swap a Fly dashboard for an LT one?
(No I WILL NOT swap a Fly dashboard for an ET dashboard, simply because I have respect for Vespas and if it isn't a Vespa, don't make it into one. Just my opinion.)
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The clock on mine sucks. It loses about a minute every 2 days.

Not that this is real important or anything, just sayin.
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The clock on mine sucks. It loses about a minute every 2 days.

Not that this is real important or anything, just sayin.
Have you checked on how much of your time flies by when you're having so much fun on this scooter?
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HONESTLY how can you even compare the two, the fly is a plastic china version of a vespa, the LT150 is 10 times better no matter what color combination the fly has and the looks alone was a turn off when it first came out, the Liberty in europe is a heck of a lot better then that fly, i hope it fly's off of piaggio's product line and they bring the liberty back from europe, and by the way for the price there is no way i would buy the fly, it could be considered if it was half the price, but congrats to all of you that like the fly. happy motoring broommm broommm
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I love my classy key for my LT. Black hard plastic with a crystal piaggio symbol. Sweet. My LX key is a blue rubber thing that is filthy already
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JLB wrote:
President Robert Cooper wrote:
So far, I do believe the Fly is a class act. There are many people that do bring down the Fly because it's made in China. However, let me point out that the Fly is assembled in China with Piaggio components.
Check the VIN number on the Fly. It is made in China, and should begin with the letters "LBM". The letter "L" designates Chinese manufacture.

It is my understanding that the engine is made in China, and had not heard that the bike was merely assembled in China from Italian parts. Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
On my 2007 fly
Not sure but the leader engine appears made in italy, but most of the rest are chinese , The wheels have china on then ( have a older spare set 2006 that have italy on them ) , The horn that failed on mine was chinese and I dare say the frame and plastics are made in china .
Have to say apart from the horn I can't fault the rest of the build quality .

The fly is not a cheap version of a vespa , It is a bigger version of the piaggio zip , In my eyes the liberty looks more chinese then the fly Wha? emoticon
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I very much enjoyed my 2008 Fly that had a VIN claiming it was made in Italy.

I'd still be riding it if it could produce ~ 70 MPH. But with 18 wheelers blowing past me in that speed range, the little 150CC Fly just didn't have it. AND, for LESS than half of the price of a Vespa 250CC, you can have all sorts of power/speed on any number of MCs.
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Louisiana_Geezer wrote:
I very much enjoyed my 2008 Fly that had a VIN claiming it was made in Italy.

I'd still be riding it if it could produce ~ 70 MPH. But with 18 wheelers blowing past me in that speed range, the little 150CC Fly just didn't have it. AND, for LESS than half of the price of a Vespa 250CC, you can have all sorts of power/speed on any number of MCs.
Sorry to hear that you gave up your Fly! I agree that a 150cc is poorly suited to the freeway, but you have to admit that the Fly is a champ on city streets. It's quick, nimble, and keeps up nicely with city traffic.

By the way, my '08 Fly has an Italy VIN, too, but the dealer was quite clear that it was made in China...and tried really hard to sell me a Vespa on the strength of that alone! I prevailed, simply because I like the looks of the Fly and you don't see very many around.
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Sorry to hear that you gave up your Fly! I agree that a 150cc is poorly suited to the freeway, but you have to admit that the Fly is a champ on city streets. It's quick, nimble, and keeps up nicely with city traffic.
Perhaps the drivers in San Diego are a little saner, Laura, but adding 15 MPH to posted speed limits is de rigeur down here. I would never take ANY PTW onto an interstate highway, instead I was referring to the 18-wheeler tankers doing 70+ MPH on little country roads.
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LauraQ wrote:
Sorry to hear that you gave up your Fly! I agree that a 150cc is poorly suited to the freeway, but you have to admit that the Fly is a champ on city streets. It's quick, nimble, and keeps up nicely with city traffic.
Perhaps the drivers in San Diego are a little saner, Laura, but adding 15 MPH to posted speed limits is de rigeur down here. I would never take ANY PTW onto an interstate highway, instead I was referring to the 18-wheeler tankers doing 70+ MPH on little country roads.
Wow! I wouldn't say San Diego drivers are any saner (this IS Southern California, after all, where speed limits are routinely ignored), but at least we don't have 18-wheelers doing 70 on roads! In that case, I totally agree with you...bigger scoot is better!
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Fly 150 vs LT 150
I recently had the misfortune of someone turning left without yielding to me while i was on my 08' Fly 150 (with 4000 miles!). while i was without wheels a buddy of mine sent me a link for an lt 150 off craigslist here in nyc. sometimes things happen for a reason. needless to say i got the bike which is an 03' with only 2300 miles. the lt150 in my opinion is a way nicer bike. the larger wheels really make a difference, especially since i live in a city with more potholes and manhole covers than road. the design of the lt has more class and doesn't look as cheap as my fly did. im missing the extra storage that the fly had, but im planning to get a saddle bag that should fulfill my needs. i parked next to a fly the other day and could help comparing them. everything on the lt is just designed better; better front storage, better mirrors, better foot area,the list goes on-- even a nicer looking key! im very happy with my new bike and i look forward to a beautiful spring day driving over the brooklyn bridge just for kicks.
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I know this is a zillion years old but….

We have both the Fly150 & Lt150 here in Florida. The Lt150 looks way cooler but the three valve Fly rides much nicer.
We have the Lx150 & a Scarabeo 200 up in Canada.
Both my wife and I think the Fly, which is very ugly, is the best overall scooter of the five we own, especially with the hideous matching Vespa top case.
The Lx is, of course, the easiest to work on. The others are plastic panels wrapped around a frame, which is a pain.
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