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BubbaJon wrote:
Functionality is identical - it holds stuff. Variations include how much, how secure, how easy to get in/out...
Horses for courses. If the functional criteria was primarily "holds stuff" then a couple stuff sacks, two of those eternal shopping bags, or a pair of jeans with the legs tied over (one leg hanging off each side of the saddle) would all be functionally identical. The variations are the important distinguishing characteristics. Two people can be completely aware of all the examples you cited, and still come to different conclusions.
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Most panniers that I've seen are simple hard shelled cases that offer a quick release and locking storage. Both are sort of illusory security as a big screwdriver or small sledge will crack them like a walnut every time. Same for top cases.
I've seen the security factor discussed in a similar binary manner on this forum before. Since perfect security is impossible, one of the most important factors in assessing security - ranging from your front door to GSA-approved security containers to nuclear weapon storage facilities -- is time. When the boat overturns and everyone in your fishing party ends up in the water with a hungry shark nearby, you don't have to swim faster than the shark...You only have to swim faster than the slowest guy.
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I believe that you can always purchase the mounting plates for the Givi cases separately.

<<Snip>>

If you do get a custom shop to fabricate a nice looking mount for the 500 please let me know. I would love to get a set of those myself.
When winter comes around it might be the time to pursue this kind of project. I already have a couple of things in mind that will require both front and rear plastic to be removed.
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Torqueboy wrote:
I believe that you can always purchase the mounting plates for the Givi cases separately.

<<Snip>>

If you do get a custom shop to fabricate a nice looking mount for the 500 please let me know. I would love to get a set of those myself.
When winter comes around it might be the time to pursue this kind of project. I already have a couple of things in mind that will require both front and rear plastic to be removed.
As long as it would work with my Givi E55 top case I wouldn't mind removing the plastic for the installation, just so long as the plastic goes back on after the brackets are installed.
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I have these and I like it.
Uh...What are "these"?
I agree a little more info would have made it easier. IF you click on the photo and IF you click on the image to magnify then you can make out the Cargo brand. It looks like their "Sports Panniers" which look nice but are rather skinny. Maybe pack a lunch.
Sorry guys they are CARGO Endurance Sport Saddlebags

Not the exact ones but similar http://www.cyclegear.com/spgm.cfm?L1=5004&L2=27&L3=4001&L4=&item=FTL_CAR002_G

Like I said they expand twice their size.
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check these Kappa TK731

Expandable Panniers with thermal pocket 17-30ltr

MP3 400 - READY FOR TOURING


they would definitely fit MP3500 as well..
I tried both on my 250 mp3 and bought the kappa ones. They look better, they have the cup holder and look bigger even though the Cargo ones are supposed to be (6lt) bigger. I like to secure the one velcro strap under the seat so the bags can't be removed without the use of a knife or something like that. You can also attach a mini lock to the zips so they wont open by someone "curious".
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I guess in the end it just depends on whichever you prefer. They both have pros and cons. I won't fault you for liking soft cases. I personally like hard cases. I agree that they might be worse in a crash, but then again that's why I have good insurance.
You meesunderstand monsieur! I have a hard top case. Love that thing - I wish they had a trade in program to swap my E52 for their new E55 monster!
Your being Seattle I would avoid teh saddlebags for both reasons - security and rain. One of my engineering buddies lived there and I was pretty astonished at the level of what I call petty crime. He blamed it on the transient population and last I was there about 6 years ago it seemed worse. Of course we need not make comment on the rain!
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BubbaJon wrote:
Functionality is identical - it holds stuff. Variations include how much, how secure, how easy to get in/out...
Horses for courses. If the functional criteria was primarily "holds stuff" then a couple stuff sacks, two of those eternal shopping bags, or a pair of jeans with the legs tied over (one leg hanging off each side of the saddle) would all be functionally identical. The variations are the important distinguishing characteristics. Two people can be completely aware of all the examples you cited, and still come to different conclusions.
BubbaJon wrote:
Most panniers that I've seen are simple hard shelled cases that offer a quick release and locking storage. Both are sort of illusory security as a big screwdriver or small sledge will crack them like a walnut every time. Same for top cases.
I've seen the security factor discussed in a similar binary manner on this forum before. Since perfect security is impossible, one of the most important factors in assessing security - ranging from your front door to GAS-approved security containers to nuclear weapon storage facilities -- is time. When the boat overturns and everyone in your fishing party ends up in the water with a hungry shark nearby, you don't have to swim faster than the shark...You only have to swim faster than the slowest guy.
I'm beginning to think this is more about you playing alpha dawg than a genuine conversation. First (out of the blue) you deride a simple comment I made in a spirit of helpfulness about a possible consideration for selecting soft cases vs hard. Apparently it was beyond your ken to think that there was more than hard/soft to consider. Now you're making some kind of idiotic point like I don't realize that people can get different results from the same set of facts. Your point about security is misleading - thieves aren't going to stand there and rummage through your shit - especially when my Scorpio starts howling. No - they're going to do a grab-n-go. Either way they will get what they want if they have the tools. Maybe they have a razor sharp knife to cut my straps - they probably do have a long jimmy tool. A top or side case will pop off in nothing flat. Probably all of 5 seconds to get all three. Cutting 2x3" double-thick straps on both sides. Not so much. I call the hard cases illusory because I know a guy left his laptop in his and it was ripped. He was under the illusion because of the way it looked that it was secure. Nobody would be that stupid with a soft case.
Anyway - hope we can have a civil conversation soon, have no idea why you decided to start out with attitude. Bad day in the consulting biz?
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Torqueboy wrote:
I believe that you can always purchase the mounting plates for the Givi cases separately.

<<Snip>>

If you do get a custom shop to fabricate a nice looking mount for the 500 please let me know. I would love to get a set of those myself.
When winter comes around it might be the time to pursue this kind of project. I already have a couple of things in mind that will require both front and rear plastic to be removed.
Sounds like a plan, hope you keep us informed and don't forget to post pics. Have you looked at what Pelican offers? Their stuff is pretty solid and if secured to a bike with decent mounts they'd probably be tough as hell to break into.

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Have you looked at what Pelican offers? Their stuff is pretty solid and if secured to a bike with decent mounts they'd probably be tough as hell to break into.LL75 Razz emoticon


Oh dear. Now you've done it. I've been using Pelican cases professionally and personally for over 20 years (bought my latest Pelican case on Saturday, in fact), but hadn't connected those dots. Duh!

While things don't stick well to that plastic material, it is super easy to drill and mount hardware on -- though the drilling would probably void the warranty (the company really does stand behind their products otherwise). Besides ruggedness and customization potential, Pelicans come in a wide range of sizes and configurations.

With that approach, the search would be narrowed down to decent mounting hardware -- and locks that didn't rattle.
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I got a great deal on a set of Givi T449 universal side bags last year. They work great and fit well enough, with a little extra velcro strap underneath - similar to what oldspice did. We get plenty of rain here and these seemed to stay pretty dry inside the couple times I rode in the wet. the bags needed to dry a bit themselves though.
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Have you looked at what Pelican offers? Their stuff is pretty solid and if secured to a bike with decent mounts they'd probably be tough as hell to break into.LL75 Razz emoticon


Oh dear. Now you've done it. I've been using Pelican cases professionally and personally for over 20 years (bought my latest Pelican case on Saturday, in fact), but hadn't connected those dots. Duh!

While things don't stick well to that plastic material, it is super easy to drill and mount hardware on -- though the drilling would probably void the warranty (the company really does stand behind their products otherwise). Besides ruggedness and customization potential, Pelicans come in a wide range of sizes and configurations.

With that approach, the search would be narrowed down to decent mounting hardware -- and locks that didn't rattle.
If I were going to build a set of hard panniers I'd start with Pelicans and see if I could modify one of the universal mounting sets from:

http://cariboucases.com/store/?name=AboutUs

I haven't bought any but the Caribou people are really nice to talk to and seem to be very honest. One thing I like about the Pelicans is they're fairly narrow and for an MP3 500 that would be a plus. Hey, if someone on this forum doesn't do it I know an interested party who might. Wha? emoticon

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Have you looked at what Pelican offers? Their stuff is pretty solid and if secured to a bike with decent mounts they'd probably be tough as hell to break into.LL75 Razz emoticon
Pelican makes awesome stuff. Never really thought of one as a pannier though... hmmmm - I have several Halliburton Zero cases the right size. Hmmmmm. I'll have to think on that one a bit - those Zero cases are pretty awesome - maybe I'll go hold one up and see what it'd look like.
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LJClark wrote:
Torqueboy wrote:
I believe that you can always purchase the mounting plates for the Givi cases separately.

<<Snip>>

If you do get a custom shop to fabricate a nice looking mount for the 500 please let me know. I would love to get a set of those myself.
When winter comes around it might be the time to pursue this kind of project. I already have a couple of things in mind that will require both front and rear plastic to be removed.
Sounds like a plan, hope you keep us informed and don't forget to post pics. Have you looked at what Pelican offers? Their stuff is pretty solid and if secured to a bike with decent mounts they'd probably be tough as hell to break into.

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I like pelican stuff as well. I use one of their cases as a dry deck box for my sea kayak. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to mount one as a side case. I still prefer the Givi options because:

1) You can lock/unlock and remove the case with a single key, then carry it like a suitcase.

2) The E41 and E21 model have top access doors so that if you want in the cases on the bike you won't dump everything out.

3) You wouldn't need a separate lock that would rattle around.

4) Though tough as hell, Pelican cases of any usable size are heavy due to the thick plastic. My 55 liter Givi case probably weighs just as much as my Pelican dry box, which is about 1/4 the size.

It's all a matter of preference. Like I said, Pelicans are great. My preference though is for Givi or other similar side cases. Again, just my two cents.
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At Vespa Midtown in Atlanta yesterday Mike told me Twisted Throttle now has racks for the Givi side cases to go on an MP3 500. He said he has ordered some for the store.
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At Vespa Midtown in Atlanta yesterday Mike told me Twisted Throttle now has racks for the Givi side cases to go on an MP3 500. He said he has ordered some for the store.
They're not listed on the site yet... Only the 125/250/400 version.

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At Vespa Midtown in Atlanta yesterday Mike told me Twisted Throttle now has racks for the Givi side cases to go on an MP3 500. He said he has ordered some for the store.
They're not listed on the site yet... Only the 125/250/400 version.

Dave
Mike was very definite they have them. He is the one who showed me the ones on a 250 shown in a pic here last year. May want to give them a call or email.
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May want to give them a call or email.
Yes, you are right. They may be in stock but the website is just not up to date.

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At Vespa Midtown in Atlanta yesterday Mike told me Twisted Throttle now has racks for the Givi side cases to go on an MP3 500. He said he has ordered some for the store.
I'd like to get a good description and see some pictures of those when they become available.
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Will try to find a picture of mine, but the givi hard cases are a soft plastic. Do not think much force in a crash woud bend a frame, as much as the cases would just collaspe under pressure. Possibly the front and back edges would grind down, buying some time before the bike damages. I used sheet metal piece across the bottom of the top case to extend the side mounts out. Then custom made a triangle brace, for bottom support of the givi hard cases. Used a 3/4 pipe nipple cut in halve, as an anchor point with a simple hose clamp on the tail light frame extension. Do a search and lots of pictures under "what is your winter project" in mp3 discussions, around page 23. 9/2010 last look. Topic 56776 With hard cases, i loose 5 mpg !
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At Vespa Midtown in Atlanta yesterday Mike told me Twisted Throttle now has racks for the Givi side cases to go on an MP3 500. He said he has ordered some for the store.
I'd like to get a good description and see some pictures of those when they become available.
I don't get by the store as often as I used to. The Fairburn store closed and the mid town store is tight for space and may not have them on the floor. The store in North Atlanta is 130 miles away from me. I've only been twice. If I do see them I will take and post some pictures.
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Soft plastic? That would count me out. In my mind the 500 needs a bit more gloss to drag it out of the plastic fantastic category.
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Will try to find a picture of mine, but the givi hard cases are a soft plastic. Do not think much force in a crash woud bend a frame, as much as the cases would just collaspe under pressure.

I used sheet metal piece across the bottom of the top case to extend the side mounts out. Then custom made a triangle brace, for bottom support of the givi hard cases. Used a 3/4 pipe nipple cut in halve, as an anchor point with a simple hose clamp on the tail light frame extension. Do a search and lots of pictures under projects. With hard cases, i loose 5 mpg !
I'm trying to get a handle on what you did, from the photos above. Did you modify existing Givi side bag mounts to allow for the MP3 500s added girth? Is the primary mounting point a top case mount on the rear rack? And then you added some additional support towards the bottom? (I tried searching MV projects, but couldn't seem to find the magic search terms.)

As for the material of the E21s, it seems you are describing a somewhat resilient plastic -- most likely injection molded? There are pros and cons, I suppose, but when the plastic goes into failure mode, I think I'd prefer it to crumple, bend, and collapse -- as opposed to shattering. Is this material unique to the E21, or is it common across other Givi side cases and top cases?
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MP3 discussion title " winter project" page 23 last look. Used Wingrider II racks with extended directionals. Givi mounts right on them, with givi lock.
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MP3 discussion title " winter project" page 23 last look. Used Wingrider II racks with extended directionals. Givi mounts right on them, with givi lock.
I couldn't find this discussion. Please post a link.
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What is your winter project? yes the top sheet metal is a cross brace and puts wingracks out enough to clear the curve of the scoot. Bottom brackets just to keep them from vibrating, and shaking. Look at the end of the total posting for the saddlebags.
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Rumored Racks are NOT for MP3 500
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At Vespa Midtown in Atlanta yesterday Mike told me Twisted Throttle now has racks for the Givi side cases to go on an MP3 500. He said he has ordered some for the store.
I e-mailed the store for clarification on price and availability. Mike acknowledged communicating with Fuzzy, but his response was:

"We only carry the one for the 250/400, available from twisted throttle. But, considering it took three years for someone to come up with that, it shouldn't be too much longer before someone makes one for the 500. Keep an eye on twisted throttle, because it will come from them."

So...It looks like either wait, or point back to a homebrew solution.
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Re: Rumored Racks are NOT for MP3 500
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At Vespa Midtown in Atlanta yesterday Mike told me Twisted Throttle now has racks for the Givi side cases to go on an MP3 500. He said he has ordered some for the store.
I e-mailed the store for clarification on price and availability. Mike acknowledged communicating with Fuzzy, but his response was:

"We only carry the one for the 250/400, available from twisted throttle. But, considering it took three years for someone to come up with that, it shouldn't be too much longer before someone makes one for the 500. Keep an eye on twisted throttle, because it will come from them."

So...It looks like either wait, or point back to a homebrew solution.
Was it Mike having too many beers and thus misstating or me having too many messing up my memory of what I heard. (Hint - Mike doesn't drink)

I'll have to call him and find out what the confusion was
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Was it Mike having too many beers and thus misstating or me having too many messing up my memory of what I heard. (Hint - Mike doesn't drink)

I'll have to call him and find out what the confusion was
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larrylarry75 wrote:
Have you looked at what Pelican offers? Their stuff is pretty solid and if secured to a bike with decent mounts they'd probably be tough as hell to break into.LL75 Razz emoticon


Oh dear. Now you've done it. I've been using Pelican cases professionally and personally for over 20 years (bought my latest Pelican case on Saturday, in fact), but hadn't connected those dots. Duh!

While things don't stick well to that plastic material, it is super easy to drill and mount hardware on -- though the drilling would probably void the warranty (the company really does stand behind their products otherwise). Besides ruggedness and customization potential, Pelicans come in a wide range of sizes and configurations.

With that approach, the search would be narrowed down to decent mounting hardware -- and locks that didn't rattle.
If I were going to build a set of hard panniers I'd start with Pelicans and see if I could modify one of the universal mounting sets from:

http://cariboucases.com/store/?name=AboutUs

I haven't bought any but the Caribou people are really nice to talk to and seem to be very honest. One thing I like about the Pelicans is they're fairly narrow and for an MP3 500 that would be a plus. Hey, if someone on this forum doesn't do it I know an interested party who might. Wha? emoticon

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Bought the Caribou's for a Suzuki V-Strom. Fantastic luggage. Would recommend them in a heartbeat. Just need to convince them that it is worth a run of racks.

Ah, They do lock. Single keyed. Takes about twenty seconds to pull off a bike - that is keyed too. Fantastic.

But not cheap...
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Not airo dynamic, but very nice. Have to look into the givi adaptable mounting. Then size up where the boxes would sit on existing brackets. Not a cheap item, but built well.
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When I travel I use both hard and soft bags. If my bags(hard or soft) are detacheable, I take them with me into the motel room for security. If they're hard, I leave them on the bike if I'm not too concerned of stuff inside being stolen. Never had anyone break into a hard bag yet.

When I stop @ a restaurant I make sure I can keep an eye on my rig just to be safe.
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Re: Rumored Racks are NOT for MP3 500
Almost a year later, I went to Twisted throttle to see if they have those racks. The answer is still no!!

Maybe we should start bugging Givi for those solid case mounts.


Cheers,
Tross
LJClark wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
At Vespa Midtown in Atlanta yesterday Mike told me Twisted Throttle now has racks for the Givi side cases to go on an MP3 500. He said he has ordered some for the store.
I e-mailed the store for clarification on price and availability. Mike acknowledged communicating with Fuzzy, but his response was:

"We only carry the one for the 250/400, available from twisted throttle. But, considering it took three years for someone to come up with that, it shouldn't be too much longer before someone makes one for the 500. Keep an eye on twisted throttle, because it will come from them."

So...It looks like either wait, or point back to a homebrew solution.
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Fuzzy wrote:
At Vespa Midtown in Atlanta yesterday Mike told me Twisted Throttle now has racks for the Givi side cases to go on an MP3 500. He said he has ordered some for the store.
Twisted Throttle no longer has access to those bracket mounts, sources no longer in business, got message from TT when I asked them for those mounts.

But if anyone here has pictures of those mounts, I'd like a copy to take to my FAB shop, please.
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I know a guy here in town who has the complete setup. I think he will let me take all the pictures I want and probably measure most anything you want.

Anyone interested?
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ponydrvr wrote:
I know a guy here in town who has the complete setup. I think he will let me take all the pictures I want and probably measure most anything you want.

Anyone interested?
I am definitely interested.

You know the drill of what you would need as in pictures, measurements and such. That is what I'll need also.

I may not be able to get back up on my scoot for a year while my shoulder heals, but that doesn't mean I can't continue to do MODs on my scoot while I'm waiting !!!!!

Thx

Besides, if my FAB shop can come near to duplicating it, someone else in MP3 Discussions might like them also.

These are for the MP3 500?
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Yes sir, I seen them immediately after being removed from an MP3 500 right here in Louisville. The MP3 looked exactly like the one pictured earlier in this post. They were the identical style bags, including the top case.
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I installed GIVI E41 and love them. I posted MP3 500 sidecase mounts my solution MP3 500 sidecase mounts my solution sorry not sure how to post link. good luck
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I have E-41's on my 400. Like you I love them. The bracket assembly you have is likely simpler than the setup on GO3's 500. The setup I saw is identical to his scoot. Come to think about, it looks like his scoot! I know I've not seen it here in Louisville before and I think I know most of them and their whereabouts.

What. about it GO3?
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ponydrvr wrote:
Yes sir, I seen them immediately after being removed from an MP3 500 right here in Louisville. The MP3 looked exactly like the one pictured earlier in this post. They were the identical style bags, including the top case.
Anything more on taking pictures of the brackets used for saddlebags?

Also take pictures of where they mount on the 500 .... especially where additional things might be added extra to make this work with the 500.

Anything yet with this?

Thx

Ed
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Don't confuse the fehling brackets that TT had for the 250/400 with anyhting for a 500. All 500s that I have seen have been DYI, no off the shelf bolt ons.

P.S. Minimags setup looks the most straight forward.
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Read above where 500 brackets were available but no longer. But someone has a set in Louisville.
If ponydriver can't get pictures, I guess a FAB Shop can duplicate things by looking at pictures.
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