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Just a quick review....

I recently installed the polini 9 roller variator on my GTS. I must say I really like the results. It revs higher on initial take-off, one bar past 6k rpms. At highway speeds the engine is turning at approximately 6k rpms, which is approximately what the stock variator produced.

As for take-off I have more snap relative to the stock variator. It took a few practice runs before I was accustomed to extra throttle response. As for wear I do not have enough experience, but I am hoping that the 9 rollers are an improvement over the traditional 6 rollers. Once I have 2k kilometers/miles I will post an update.

All and all I would recommend this added part for those looking for a little more acceleration off the line.
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Where did you get yours?

I'm considering one for my LX150 (now that I've decided that a J. Costa might not be a wise purchase), but I haven't found a US distributor for the Polini 9-roller model.
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I purchased from SIP scooter performance website. Shipping is the major hurdle if shipping to the states.
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Polini 9 Rollers for GTS 250?
My GTS now has 5000km and I'm ready to replace the variator with either the j Costa or the Polini. Has anyone had experiences with new 9 roller model by Polini? Any feedback would be much appreciated.
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Any further opinions on this variator now that you've been running with it for several months now Scooter D? I'm sure there are people who might be interested, thanks.
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I am running the Polini and it has been great. I would also love to hear from the OP on his purchase.
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I am running the Polini and it has been great. I would also love to hear from the OP on his purchase.
What would you say you have noticed in terms of performance positives and negatives?
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I am running the Polini and it has been great. I would also love to hear from the OP on his purchase.
You have the 9 roller one? Do tell...

I've also PMed the OP to see if we can get any more info.

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I have considered a Polini variator. Is top speed increased ? I recently put new stock rollers and belt in my 300 and the accelleration is better. The top speed is the same but seems to hold the top speed easier with a little more throttle left over ? ( have not had the chance to really open it up long enough to see if I can hit the rev limiter ) I think the LV exhaust and the Corsa computer command chip do help, but nothing objective to prove it. Any objective info would be appreciated.
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Update on Polini 9 roller model
I have approximately 2,500 k on the variator. I must say, it really adds a nice bit on takeoff. With a stock variator my GTS would snap off the line at around 6250, now with the Polini my RPMs are closer to 7500. What this means is that my initial speed from 0 to 60 Ks is quicker. In fact the entire throttle response is improved, to the extent that the first few times I really went WOT I had to prepare myself for the sling-shot effect produced by the Polini. More good news, I opened up the variator to check the roller wear. To my surprise, there were no flat spots on any of the rollers, after 2500+ kilometers. However, I noticed a mark on the case, probably caused by the belt rubbing it. But unlike what Jess et al incurred, the belt appears not be able to cut into the oil case, as it is not riding high enough on the pulley to cause this problem. Finally, ScooterTrap now sells the 9 roller model, so purchase from N. America is a viable option. ScooterTrap

So in summary, if you like aftermarket parts and want more initial takeoff, I recommend pairing the 9 roller polini with an aftermarket exhaust and the EFI booster. These three products work well together to provide more low end speed and no compromise on top-end.
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I am running the Polini and it has been great. I would also love to hear from the OP on his purchase.
What would you say you have noticed in terms of performance positives and negatives?
I find it most useful off the line and when you are accelerating after a turn.
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Thanks for the update Scooter_D! Good to know and may help a lot of people looking for an upgrade. Where abouts was the belt rubbing in the transmission case?

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It sounds like both of you are quite happy with the Polini, thanks for updating us.
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Where abouts was the belt rubbing in the transmission case?

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I found the rub marks directly under the fixed half (outer) variator, essentially directly above the dipstick in the transmission case.
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I must say that I am very pleased with the Polini 9 Roller Variator.
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OK thanks, a little bit worrying, as that is where the gasket can be yanked and cause oil seepage. A little rubbing is probably acceptable, a shiny deep gouge is not!
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Where abouts was the belt rubbing in the transmission case?

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I found the rub marks directly under the fixed half (outer) variator, essentially directly above the dipstick in the transmission case.
A small amount of belt rub on the case is pretty normal. There's even a factory-cut relief cut into the engine case to provide some clearance. Unfortunately, it's in the wrong spot.
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I agree the rubbing that I have encountered is nothing to worry about - negligible but in the spirit of full disclosure I wanted to mention it. Additionally, given the Vespa manufactured groove cut into the transmission case, there is even less to worry about.
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Thanks for the input all. I just found this review on the Brit site:
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Right I have just got back of my Hols to find out the good chaps at CBS in Witton near me have fitted my new variator for me and installed the spring that comes with the kit......They have the use of the Dyno and there is some intresting results, first of all Please remember that the dyno is very handy for getting good results when comparing diffrent tuning products and to also help with setting up..But as most of you will know when you get on the road you can only then judge if any improvment...
The new variator has been fitted straight out the box with 9 9.5 gm weights that come with it and the blue contri spring, it is combatable with all 250/300 engines...

The std dyno run showed a nice curve no issues and then dropping off as you would expect.

With the kit fitted there was a small increase on pick up but there was a apparent looking lag on the graph before the engine picks up and levels out, what the graphs do show is that the Polini gives a increase in torque and a sligher higher rev's.

So what does it go like ???????? you all ask , first thing you notice how much quiter the engine is and when you crack the throttle the accleration feels quicker and so much smoother low down , had a good old run down the motorway and the bike felt good , would be hard to say if there has been a massive increase in top end but bearing in mind this is fitted to a MP3 , on a GTS there could be a small difference.

I have a leo pipe to be fitted and will be back to the shop to try a run with that on, and am going to prob order up some different weights from SIP and possibly give them a try if it might help.

So overall a good bit of kit and a quiter and smoother ride
The are pics which i will update when i get them and will show pics of the graphs as well

Big thanks to the boys at CBS scooters for all there help and dyno time.
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The writeup that you provided mirrors my experience.
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Thanks for all the info. I am now really considering the Polini. Also just wondering if you all used the stock belt or an aftermarket one ?
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I am using the stock belt. I've mixed reviews of aftermarket belts.
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I am using the molassi scooter belt without any issues. Some in this forum have reported issues.
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I have quietly been running the 9 roller and keeping quiet about it because I am a huge sceptic of performance variators.
Having used the old 6 version Malossi and Polini in the past. They just didn't stand up reliability wise.
I'm happy to confirm similar results to already mentioned above, but even more pleased to see that after approx 3,000km theres no sign of performance drop off and the rollers and sliders are in good condition. I ordered the 9 roller from S.I.P very easy and you can track your shipment with Fedex all the way to your doorstep.
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I'm wondering how long the center bearing will last in this variator. It looks eerily similar to the J Costa variator, with the graphite inserts. The huge weak link with the J Costa is that the center brass bearing with these inserts wears out very quickly, both on the inner surface of the bearing where it rides on the shaft, and on the side face where it contacts the outer pulley half. In my case, the J Costa wore out within about 8000 miles, becoming sloppy on the shaft, chewing up the outer pulley half and shredding the belt. Hopefully the center bearing in this variator is made from better material, but I'd be curious to know if anyone using it has checked for wear on the bearing surfaces, and if so, how much had worn in how many miles.
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I agree that this could be a concern, I have gone over all the friction mating areas and everything including slide pin and inner bronze bushing seems good just as if it were oem with similar mileage. I'm not holding my breath and will not be surprised if something does go wrong, if so I will report it here promptly and go back to stock unwilling..
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I'm wondering how long the center bearing will last in this variator. It looks eerily similar to the J Costa variator, with the graphite inserts. The huge weak link with the J Costa is that the center brass bearing with these inserts wears out very quickly, both on the inner surface of the bearing where it rides on the shaft, and on the side face where it contacts the outer pulley half. In my case, the J Costa wore out within about 8000 miles, becoming sloppy on the shaft, chewing up the outer pulley half and shredding the belt. Hopefully the center bearing in this variator is made from better material, but I'd be curious to know if anyone using it has checked for wear on the bearing surfaces, and if so, how much had worn in how many miles.
After replacing 3 chewed belts (2 which were while we were on trips), we just took the J Costa off Owen's GT and put the stock back on. Hopefully it will be as reliable as it was before we went with the performance variator. I'm skeptical about them if you tend to run your scooter at high speeds for long distances.
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That's what I was told when I was asking about one. It should be ok as long as you're not doing lot's of high speed and long distance riding.
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That's what I was told when I was asking about one. It should be ok as long as you're not doing lot's of high speed and long distance riding.
Hmmm, I wish *someone* would have told us that when we made the switch. Ah well.., lesson learned. Albeit a very expensive lesson.
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That's what I was told when I was asking about one. It should be ok as long as you're not doing lot's of high speed and long distance riding.
Hmmm, I wish *someone* would have told us that when we made the switch. Ah well.., lesson learned. Albeit a very expensive lesson.
Yea, that sucks. I was asking about it this week and my guy got the answer straight from the top. He was saying something about it was made for the LX150 and that the 250 and 300 were too much for it or something like that.

Here is some of the email: ". He is NOT recommending their Variator in the 250 and 300, the 150cc is ok. Basically what has happened, the washer and bushing wear issue has been solved, but now the top end has increased so much that the belt is over extended and breaking. The solution was to change the drive face angle, now the acceleration is vastly improved and the top speed is the same as the stock variator. So the only benefit to the updated J Costa is acceleration, no top speed improvement. He added another note, The Conventional Designed Dr. Pulley variator and weight set up would still break the belt if pushed too far on top for too long."
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The rubbings quite bad on a standard variator with Dr pulley sliders too, had one come in the other day and it was lucky to still be running with the belt like it was... it had worn the top half of the belt away until it all broke off... the cut into the crankcase is well over 1mm deep so not much metal left in places..


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The rubbings quite bad on a standard variator with Dr pulley sliders too, had one come in the other day and it was lucky to still be running with the belt like it was... it had worn the top half of the belt away until it all broke off... the cut into the crankcase is well over 1mm deep so not much metal left in places..
Yikes! Did it rip out the oil pan gasket as well?
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Oh dear. I must open my transmission case this weekend to check that this is not happening to mine. I love the Dr Pulley sliders, but not if they do this....
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A 1mm "Fuzzy washer" (between outer driving pulley and the central bushing) would help here, reducing belt height to its initial maximum.
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Speak up! Your results with the new thinner Fuzzy Washer?highlight=fuzzy+washer

It's a 1mm thick washer that makes the outer driving pulley 1mm further apart from the inner variator at the same revs. This almost completely eliminates the last bit of lag, and has the added side-benefit of keeping the belt away from the casing for those who have variators mods that tend to push the bely a bit further out.
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Jimc, you mentioned in the other thread about a larger rear tyre to compensate for the slight loss in top speed, with adding the extra fuzzy.
I ask this because although the 9 roller gives me slingshot acceleration and sensational throttle response It revs higher top end when compared to stock. Ive ordered a 130/70-10 (stock tyre size is 120/70-10)
Do you think this will give me slightly more relaxed top end (less rev) without sacrificing to much of the slingshot excitement accel..
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I opened my transmission today to have a look at my belt. Looks perfect. The rollers are unworn and sliding nicely. (Dr Pulley) No marks on the case - the writing is still on the belt. Most of my riding is in town so rarely have it pegged. Nice acceleration.
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I realize its been 9 years since the last post. Curious to know how the Polini has held up over time?
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After a lot of research between Polini, J. Costa and Malosi variators, I chose Polini. So far, I've been with Dr. Puley's sliders. In the video I also made a race between my Vespa GTS 300 and the new model Vespa HPI 300 while I was still with Dr. Pulley. In the video I showed how to install a Polini variator. I have a few more tests ahead of me and I will shoot a video between Vespa gts 300 with Polini and other 300 cc scooters. I hope you like the video. If you have questions ask me in the comments below the video. Thanks for watching.

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