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Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:30 am quote
I might have the chance to purchase a vespa super 150, but it has the round headlight.

It needs partial restoration anyway but do you reckon it would be easy to find a set of handlebars which fit that shape light? And would they fit?
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:44 am quote
So you are wanting the trapizoidal headset?

I believe that it should fit...however trying to find one might be a little bit difficult. You can always order drop bars from SIP with the trap headset
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:38 am quote
the trap headset tended to go on the 60's sprints... did they ever go on supers?
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:37 am quote
Rover Eric wrote:
the trap headset tended to go on the 60's sprints... did they ever go on supers?
Yes, there are Super 150s with trapezoidal headlights, though it may or may not be the sign of a bodge; trapezoidal headlights were on early European Super 150s, though never exported to the US (see ref.).

Later Super 150s with trap headlights were also exported to Australia, Indonesia, and elsewhere known as "Super Ts" or the "Eurospec Mk II" made from 1977-79. These (like mine) had a three port case -- and perhaps even piston -- but only a two port barrel. Perhaps the factory had moved all production to three port 150cc engines at this point like the P150x that began in '78 and the earlier Sprint Veloce that had already been around since 1969. I suppose it was a way to differentiate models and available power while still using the identical cases.

This means that for the "Super T," there's no need to dremel the case to make it a 3T, but only get a new jug and matching piston; then the engine is like a Sprint Veloce's, though the 8" wheels rather than 10" means it had different gearing. The carb was different, too; mine is a Si 20/15 and the Veloce's was larger -- perhaps a 20/17 (like the Sprint) or 20/20, as indicated at ScooterHelp.

It's worth noting that, apparently, the trap headset on the "Super T" is different than trap headsets on Sprints as the speedo is smaller, and not found in the US unless it has been imported from elsewhere.

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Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:18 am quote
good to know.

I'd like to see a pic of one of these non-standard trap headsets, if you ever trip over one.

Something to add to my encyclopedia.
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:27 am quote
Rover Eric wrote:
good to know.

I'd like to see a pic of one of these non-standard trap headsets, if you ever trip over one.

Something to add to my encyclopedia.
Eric i have few of them, one in my garage is a bajaj with clamshell i bought from a guy that said "It's original" And of course it's original Bajaj. I have promised myself to make it into a desk lamp.

So they are out there if anyone is interested.

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Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:34 am quote
thanks for the info guys
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Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:43 pm quote
phaetn wrote:
Rover Eric wrote:
the trap headset tended to go on the 60's sprints... did they ever go on supers?
Yes, there are Super 150s with trapezoidal headlights, though it may or may not be the sign of a bodge; trapezoidal headlights were on early European Super 150s, though never exported to the US (see ref.).

Later Super 150s with trap headlights were also exported to Australia, Indonesia, and elsewhere known as "Super Ts" or the "Eurospec Mk II" made from 1977-79. These (like mine) had a three port case -- and perhaps even piston -- but only a two port barrel. Perhaps the factory had moved all production to three port 150cc engines at this point like the P150x that began in '78 and the earlier Sprint Veloce that had already been around since 1969. I suppose it was a way to differentiate models and available power while still using the identical cases.

This means that for the "Super T," there's no need to dremel the case to make it a 3T, but only get a new jug and matching piston; then the engine is like a Sprint Veloce's, though the 8" wheels rather than 10" means it had different gearing. The carb was different, too; mine is a Si 20/15 and the Veloce's was larger -- perhaps a 20/17 (like the Sprint) or 20/20, as indicated at ScooterHelp.

It's worth noting that, apparently, the trap headset on the "Super T" is different than trap headsets on Sprints as the speedo is smaller, and not found in the US unless it has been imported from elsewhere.
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In Indonesia 150 Super begin with round head until 1973 then trap headset until 1979
there are 2 different trap head in speedo, earlier like most sprint and later with smaller speedo like sprint-V
and different in crank and flywheel form 1977 with bigger nut for sec. flywheel like P series
Rover Eric wrote:
good to know.

I'd like to see a pic of one of these non-standard trap headsets, if you ever trip over one.

Something to add to my encyclopedia.
Here's Super78 with different trap headset
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:27 am quote
they apparently made these supers in the 60's here in NZ as well. I am not sure of all the details just trying to get that info, give me a few days, this thread reminded me of this. It would have been short lived, and limited production. A round light, 8 inch wheels and no numbers on the chassis, that is how you can tell them from others. I have one like this, they also came with a wild looking locally made oversize fiberglass windscreen. Another interesting thing that is in this country for you historians, is a mold for that aero dinamic cover similar to the racer in the Piaggio museum. I have never seen it but know the fellow that has it, I am not sure where it came from or how it came to be here or what the story is on it.
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:06 am quote
snakebike wrote:
I have one like this, they also came with a wild looking locally made oversize fiberglass windscreen. Another interesting thing that is in this country for you historians, is a mold for that aero dinamic cover similar to the racer in the Piaggio museum.
are you talking about nelson piquet screen?



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Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:58 am quote
veloce75 wrote:
snakebike wrote:
I have one like this, they also came with a wild looking locally made oversize fiberglass windscreen. Another interesting thing that is in this country for you historians, is a mold for that aero dinamic cover similar to the racer in the Piaggio museum.
are you talking about nelson piquet screen?
Someone on local Indonesian forum have and selling that thing... I don't know it seem rather "off" from the scoot, plus it's very expensive too
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:39 am quote
whats this clamshell headlight buddy can i have a looksee
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:05 am quote


Oh nice!

thats a nice paint job you got there mate.
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:18 am quote
christos x wrote:


Oh nice!

thats a nice paint job you got there mate.
what do you think christos,stripped and clear coat your next project.
i always thought it cool to blast a scoot and clear it.
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:27 am quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
christos x wrote:


Oh nice!

thats a nice paint job you got there mate.
what do you think christos,stripped and clear coat your next project.
i always thought it cool to blast a scoot and clear it.
Matt black the f*cker!


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Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:31 am quote
obviously the three of us don't like shiny stuff
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:43 am quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
obviously the three of us don't like shiny stuff
That makes for a cool shiny, though. Not the chromed bling type of shiny, more the rugged 1940s aluminum-shell airplane kind of look
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:51 am quote
yes!
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:55 am quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
obviously the three of us don't like shiny stuff
This is very true..unless it's all origional and you make it shine. However I was using Christos's catch phrase "Matt Black The F*cker!"
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Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:08 am quote
joshzingzing wrote:
whats this clamshell headlight buddy can i have a looksee
Hi mate, this is the Bajaj version i was talking about. It's strange. Although many "Italian" Vespa sprints were made in India in the mid 60's, this is more odd and identical to the SS due to the Trap and clam speedo. There must be many out there.

It's stamped Bajaj 5. Again it will make a nice wee lamp.

Cheers


Not piaggio but nice


Trap Head light

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Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:31 pm quote
yes that is a nice shape bajaj set
i kindve like the old bajaj 150 sprint with that setup
have you painted it? or something
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Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:46 pm quote
lamp
thatll make a nice lamp for sure
i made a wall lamp outve a EK holden tail lamp once it was allright ey very ocker

i guess youll just need a nice block of hardwood --over here (home)i'd carve a block of sheoak or jarrah burl as a base drill a hole, couple o wires and a dodgy switch and its a goer

maybe you could use a vespa front hub and rim as a base ?and do a bit of weding for a stem, weld on a sping or something

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Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:01 am quote
I like your idea mate. My wife would kill me if i were to "Make" anything else scooter related for the house. I have 8 scooters parked around my wee house and half a VNA on the wall

She has put me on notice now that spring is here.

As far as the lamp, i started working on an old Castrol can as a base and i gave away the siem headlight to a mate, it's was too good for a Bajaj headset

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Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:32 pm quote
another super trap head
same color like yours Jimh ...
of course original with Piaggio logo stamped

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Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:47 am quote
ah well thats adifferent thing again Veloce
ill try post a pic here of the same clam thingy
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Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:38 pm quote
so this is the lodown on Made In NZ scooters. By Airco in Auckland, had to be 20% made in NZ by law. They made the tires rear rack , seat and the large windscreen here as well as assembling them. On the SS90 they eliminated the dummy tank. Some are stamped with a 4 digit number on the chasis. late fifties to late sixties.


this is what the screen looked like made of fiberglass, seat was foam with chrome rear rack

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Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:50 pm quote
jimh wrote:
......and half a VNA on the wall
Interesting....pics?
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:06 am quote
phaetn wrote:
Rover Eric wrote:
the trap headset tended to go on the 60's sprints... did they ever go on supers?
Yes, there are Super 150s with trapezoidal headlights, though it may or may not be the sign of a bodge; trapezoidal headlights were on early European Super 150s, though never exported to the US (see ref.).

Later Super 150s with trap headlights were also exported to Australia, Indonesia, and elsewhere known as "Super Ts" or the "Eurospec Mk II" made from 1977-79. These (like mine) had a three port case -- and perhaps even piston -- but only a two port barrel. Perhaps the factory had moved all production to three port 150cc engines at this point like the P150x that began in '78 and the earlier Sprint Veloce that had already been around since 1969. I suppose it was a way to differentiate models and available power while still using the identical cases.

This means that for the "Super T," there's no need to dremel the case to make it a 3T, but only get a new jug and matching piston; then the engine is like a Sprint Veloce's, though the 8" wheels rather than 10" means it had different gearing. The carb was different, too; mine is a Si 20/15 and the Veloce's was larger -- perhaps a 20/17 (like the Sprint) or 20/20, as indicated at ScooterHelp.

It's worth noting that, apparently, the trap headset on the "Super T" is different than trap headsets on Sprints as the speedo is smaller, and not found in the US unless it has been imported from elsewhere.
Update: a mechanic friend of mine who is port matching and shaping the head of the DR177 kit for my Super 150 Mk II (Eurospec) -- and installing a new Mazzy crank while he's at it -- pointed out that the scoot was also a U.K. spec. He found the following site:

http://www.mvt.org.uk/members_files/pages/lambshead_r.htm

Apparently the British Royal Navy used the Supers with trapezoidal headsets, too. They didn't just go to Australasia...

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Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:18 am quote
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heyi bought a crappy old asian resto and i found a cigarette pack in it from indonesia ...so it was from indonesia...makes sense....but its got the trap head...vin is 74'super, 150 motor #s match too...two port ...and trap head ,piaggio markings inside,head...but small speedo
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Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:35 pm quote
that head is normal for a Indo bike and ur bike spec is similar with mine







nice bike but please dont buy more vespa from Indo

have a nice day and cheer mate
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Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:41 am quote
trap head
hey koenig ,so i guess this vespa i have was imported from italy back in 74' ...with this trap head on it?....the italians must have been exporting the (old style) trap heads to asia, while exporting the (new style) round headlight models to north america and european countries, where new road regulations required the better performing headlight?...
i bought this bike for 1200$...so i was sure that the bike was asian,and was made of parts from 20 other bikes....
(although i had checked vin#s for motor AND frame,prior to purchase, which showed production numbers from ITALY 1974)
.but it is funny to think this bike may actually be original!
it would be nice if someone had fotos of bikes in local asian shops from back in the day ..to see exactly what parts the vespas had when they were purchased new..old fotos of bikes coming off boats from italy in the early seventies...just for historical record..not danmotor in late seventies, but ACTUAL italian imports...
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Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:49 pm quote
I have something similar, but a 1978 Eurospec so it has a 3 port case. It's a bit of a hybrid of older generation Super with some internals from the burgeoning P series (like the crank). That wouldn't apply for a 1974, I don't think. SIP indicates a different set of components for the Super 150 as of serial #412374, which Scooterhelp indicates would be a 1977.

My understanding is that these scoots were made in Italy but expressly for export markets. They never made it to North America and are practically unheard of here. The later ones (1977-79) are known as the "Super T" for the Trapezoidal headseat or as the Mark II Eurospec or UK Spec and made their way to Australia (used by the the Australian Postal Service), Indonesia and elsewhere. As I linked above, they even made it to Britain for the Royal Navy, apparently, but I don't think were otherwise sold to end users in the UK (though I could be wrong about that). As I say, the late model ones have 3 port cases and some early P components but I don't think that's the case for earlier ones.

The thing is with the Super Ts is that most I've seen have a Piaggo hex logo above the speedo on a flattened/beveled area as follows:


Yours and the one ebeth posted don't have that, whereas the ones Veloce posted do. Note also the differently shaped speedo: yours and ebeth's are clear clamshell shapes while the others aren't (and also stamped Piaggo).
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Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:47 pm quote
The Cover of the "Mods Mayday '79" LP has a trap-headset Super with a flyscreen shaped for trapazoidal.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:57 am quote
Hi!

For even more references, here is my 1979 Super T (waiting for restuaration) As you can see, these where also exported to Costa Rica.
The funny thing about mine is that it is what we call a “salad” vespa, meaning scoots with mixed parts from various models already in the local assembly line (Piaggio Costa Rica)
This Super T 150 actually has an 1980 p125x engine and as strange as it may seem a vin number that is of P125x and not VBC. All these features original from the Piaggio-Costa Rica dealer.


The glove Box is NOT original

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:56 am quote
I have a 1976 Super 150 with trap head... Not Bajaj, and with an original SIEM headlight fitted. Mine was not a 'salad', but like Has, I too am in Costa Rica. It is funny because we have a small Costa Rican Vespa Group on Facebook and it seems that more than a few of us have Super 150's from the late 70's with trap heads. When I bought it looked like this:



Oh, and here is the Veglia Borletti speedo smashed beyond recognition:



Funny thing is I bought it from the original owner and he claimed that aside from the front fender no parts were ever exchanged. IGM number on the chassis, sticker on the front fork and engine number all add up, too...
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:56 pm quote
nice to know that mate, guess now trap headset on a super isnt only produce in Indonesia after all

enjoy the super and ride safe mate

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Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:07 pm quote
Could someone put up a pic' of the speedo that goes into the headset of a 150 super vbc (1979)
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Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:46 pm quote
The Vespa Super was built from '65 to '76. The speedo is the same as the small frame speedo.
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Some low end smallies have a little round one or none at all, just a round plastic plug.
Here's the same one you're looking for in a Primavera

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Joey135 wrote:
Could someone put up a pic' of the speedo that goes into the headset of a 150 super vbc (1977)
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