Modern Vespa

some body tell me how this thing with a motor swap is worth 7500.

i am not a smoothy guy to begin with and so this is buggin me.

i mean really,he put a p motor in a classic vespa and wants whatb





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Year/Make/Model 1962 Vespa GS MKI
Description Restored in the UK, this GS was imported in 2006 and has been sitting in a private collection. Scooter has been ridden maybe 2 times in three years. The body is an original MK1 restored with great detail. The motor is an upgraded Italian p series. It's a pretty quick scoot. I'm selling this for a friend who spent way too much money on this when the dollar was really weak. HIS lose is your gain. 10k spent. Selling price, $7500. You know how much perfectly chromed GS cowls are worth, right?

Maybe he wants one dollar for every pound it weighs.

poor t5bits is going to want to kill someone when he sees all that chrome.

if it is worth 7500 now if he took off all that ugly chrome, removed the blue GS and repainted the pods the same colour as the rest of the bike he could get 10,000 for it, remove the white walls 11,000

Too bad the tech boom is over, otherwise some i-net company would buy it to put in their lobby

Sorry guys, i might just be the only one here that thinks it's worth it.




I like it, shame about the original motor though.

Cheers

[quote="jimmyb865"]some body tell me how this thing with a motor swap is worth 7500.

i am not a smoothy guy to begin with and so this is buggin me.

i mean really,he put a p motor in a classic vespa and wants whatb


Well Jimmy, this guy is the same guy that wants 2.5 m for a condo in Venice and its really only worth 1 m. In other words "Delusional".

Thats why when folks come in here and do a motor swap on a classic bike for no reason and others encourage that behaviour it makes it makes me cringe. But then again, the more franken-bikes that get created, the more my originals go up in value.

Again it's their bikes, and they can ask what ever they want, but just like the cheerleader real estate agents that ask ridiculous prices for POS homes, I can see though the BS of folks asking ridiculous prices for POS Vespas. Like you said EVIL !!

I hate it.

Mk1 GS160's don't fall out of trees.
You don't have to cut up a GS160 to put a newer engine in (unless it's slightly trimmed for electric starter clearance), the original engine bolts right back up.
How many people here riding new PX's they paid $5k for? Add the price of a pair of chrome GS cowls and you're about even.

Assuming it's done right, you would spend about twice that to have a bike like that built for you.

i thought the idea with the old gs's was to keep the frikin motor IN IT.

I MEAN COME ON,REALLY?????

i guess thats why i will only own a brick and not a old smoothy

Well, that's what some of us do. That bike is certainly worth something, and even if it isn't your cup of tea, the sum of the parts is worth far more than the whole.

It's not at all my thing, though. And yeah, i always feel a little sad when someone uses an engine other than the GS / SS engine in a GS. It's one thing if they never had one to begin with ... and so they went P200, but to pull out a working one is beyond me.

I'm just running a stock SS180 engine in my SS, and i've taken my GS and bored it out to SS180, ...so it's effectively the same thing. They are the smoothest engines vespa ever made, i swear. There's no vibrations on that thing when it's running. Sometimes i wish i had electronic ignition and a 12v setup, but if i was really bothered enough i could probably cobble something together. The beauty in the old bikes is the simplicity and sometimes i just don't want to fuck with that.

thanx for the consultation,i was begining to feel like i was missing something,i often do

and to let ya in on a little secret(ssshhhhh)

i have been shopping around for ss barrel intake parts.

as a bench project and to display in my garage.

i am so intrigued by the motor design i cant even spell

On the Yahoo sports vespa group ( for GS150, GS160 and SS180 owners ) there's a lot of folks who have converted their GS160 and SS180 engines to 200cc ... typically boring out the jug to take a P200 piston. They call it an "SS200".

It's a relatively common thing, but i didn't want to go that high. The amount of meat left on the cylinder walls after boring out a hole that large is pretty thin.

this 7500 gets yhttp://orangecounty.craigslist.org/mcy/1256902051.htmlou the whole dealio

I like that bike... i just wish the restorer had looked at a few more original photographs of the SS180 before he went doing things that were nonstock. The bolts on the flywheel are red? The centerstand is red? Wrong seat cover, etc. It makes you wonder if he KNEW that it was supposed to be a different way, but this was his stylized interpretation ... or if he just didn't know any better, etc.

Other than a list of things that weren't how it was original, it looks really nice.

I agree with Eric. I went to go check out this SS 180 a while back in SD just to see one in person and I agree the thing didn't vibrate hardly at all..it was the most, I would say..peaceful 2 strokes I've heard at idle.

GS's and SS's need to stay stock in my opinion. These scoots are rare and beautiful to look at. Trying to modify these scoots like the GS above.. to me it sort of takes away their integrity.

That's why it's good that some these scoots land in the hands of people like Eric who is so crazy anal about every correct detail and rightfully so.

Well, i'm glad we're of the same mind To me, when i go to a rally / bike show, i'm not looking for the craziest custom job... i'm drooling over the most original one in the best condition. Failing a good original, a resto where every attention to detail was paid is my meant and potatoes.

I'm not into choppers, rat bikes, cut downs, etc... but a lot of people are and that's completely ok. It would be a boring world if we all rode the exact same thing. I think that's why places like England where original condition scooters were commonplace, you had people doing nutty stuff with custom scoots...or choppers or mod bikes or what have you.

so this is what i want to build in my garage

just the motor

and more

That jug there is off of something, but not the GS / Ss that i can tell.

See on the left ( intake ) side how there's a manifold bolted to it, and it's got a puny little 1" flange coming out? that's not GS/SS.

On the GS / SS there's a weird brown 1/2" paper spacer that sits between the carb body and the cylinder.... and there's 3 studs in somewhat of a triangle shape for the carb to bolt down onto.

It's possible that's like that because someone tried to modify it to take some other carb, though.

Does the carb sit at an angle?

Love it do you know if he'll ship it to the uk

On a GS / SS the carb bolts right to the top of the engine, just like on any P-series or standard rotary vespa engine.

The difference is that it sits directly on top of the cylinder, rather than on top of the crankshaft area.

But, no, no angle. It's just a Dellorto SI 27/23 carb...almost identical to your dellorto 24/24... but it uses 3 bolts to hold it down instead of 2...so it's not interchangeable.

and less likely to warp the body cause of three bolt position(what i'v learned so far)

I imagine that's true... and there's also some give to the crazy brown paper block-thing that acts as a buffer. It's metal on metal ( minus the thin paper gasket ) on most vespas, when you bolt the carb to the carb box / engine top.

On the GS / SS the paper block you bolt it to has some give, so it's more likely to compress than the aluminum carb is.

To each his own, but I must say it hurts my eyes and my heart to see what had been done to this GS.

If I ever were to be fortunate enough to find or afford a GS or SS in need of a restore, I would want Eric here to do the honors. Ah well, maybe someday.

limited edition left hand drive

original silver colour

That's a GS150 widebody frame, very different machine. Only available in Silver.
The GS160 was a largeframe vespa, sharing the same engine configuration with most Vespas from 1959-up, and was available in multiple colors.

I've never been as big a fan of the SS180, had them before including an SS200, but I think the Rally200 beats it for that body style.

I love the windscreen on this one.

I disagree .... respectably. You and i have owned bunches of both ... i've had 3 rally 200's now ... 2 bone stock and 1 hot-rod one. I think the SS180 looks better from the rear with the wider ass on it. Both are gorgeous bikes, and i'm only saying the SS180 is MARGINALLY better looking. I do really dig the sleekness of the Rally... the cowls have a really awesome curve to them when viewed from the side.

I used to think the GS160 was the quintessential vespa style...with the widest cowls they ever attached to a largeframe, and i never really dug on the SS180 all that much. But, they've grown on me over the years, and my love for the styling of the GS160 has decreased a little, as i look at the cowls now as more of a caricature of what they should be. ( still love it, though )

i think the gs 160 is THE vespa. the huge cowls are beautiful. but they look like they are two different sizes. there should have been more symmetry.

you guys and your smoothys