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Fellow Scooterists,

I have come under fire recently for refusing to help promote vintage-only rallies. Please understand that I'm not trying to change the rules of anyone's rallies, or in any way trying to tell you what to do. I choose not to promote vintage-only rallies because it goes against everything I believe in. Modern Vespa is a mixed forum, and I'm happy to help promote those rallies that cater to a mixed audience.

Please don't ask me to help you promote something that runs counter to Modern Vespa's mission.

Thank you.
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Re: An Open Letter to the Vintage Community
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Fellow Scooterists,

I have come under fire recently for refusing to help promote vintage-only rallies. Please understand that I'm not trying to change the rules of anyone's rallies, or in any way trying to tell you what to do. I choose not to promote vintage-only rallies because it goes against everything I believe in. Modern Vespa is a mixed forum, and I'm happy to help promote those rallies that cater to a mixed audience.

Please don't ask me to help you promote something that runs counter to Modern Vespa's mission.

Thank you.
+1, you have my full support.

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Sounds reasonable to me.
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Jess-

I assume from your wording that you are only refraining from helping in the promotion of vintage only rallies. I further assume that if one or more of us wish to post info about a vintage only rally in the forums, that is OK.

I would also assume that you would not help in promoting a Kymco only rally, a Geeley only rally or any other rally that specifically excludes modern Vespas from participation.

Am I correct in that understanding? If so, it seems appropriate to me. I would not expect a vintage Vespa forum operator to go out of his way to help promote a Modern Only rally.

I have no issues with rallies that are limited to specific makes, models or years. Has never bothered me. But, if you wish to be exclusive, then why should those you exclude be expected to assist you?

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Vintage only rallies!!

could someone please publish the full rules.

is there a date cut off?
manual shift only?
does this include other makes of scooter?

what a load of nonsense, my bikes one year newer than the cutoff? sorry you cant come.

my 1949 model A is broken can i come on my 1980 p2, no its a vintage rally.

ridiculous, ride what you want to where you want.

ive ridden vespas to motorcycle rallies, motorcycles to scooter rallies, vespas to lambretta club rallies and italjets to vespa rallies.

its divisive, elitist and can only be a bad thing for scootering.
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between Modern and Vintage.
eh? please enlighten us oh wise one.......
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I know exactly what you mean. What is vintage?? mines an '89 and I still pay tax as its not "vintage"
"Vintage " is pre '73 over here. So how can a Vespa P125 registered in 2009 be a "vintage" (that goes for any country)

Confusing ?? not many
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I don't see anything wrong with choosing to NOT promote a rally you don't feel like promoting. Back what you wanna back, and fuck what you don't. Who cares. Yawn emoticon Personally, if there will be scooters, I'm there. Nerd emoticon
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Jess, you are a good guy and there used to BE NO not-so-modern section. The not-so-modern section was created to help the not-so-modern riders sort through the posts to ones which are pertinent to their own rides, not to divide the community up completely. I appreciate the risk you took in setting this sub-forum up, and I see no reason why you should create a special "not-so-modern rally section" as well. People can, and have, posted some vintage rally info here in the not-so-modern section... what more should we need?
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wow,i woke up to this this morning after our SCOOTER INVASION kick off vintage only ride last night.

good turn out

2 lambrettas

bunch of p's

3 150 smoothys

1 4 STROKE VESPA SHIFTY(sergio)

3 stellas

AND ONE AWSOME ET3( )

the thing with westsidescootercub is that we would like it if everybody in our club had a modern(twisty) and a vintage(2 stroke to keep it simple)but not everybody does.

sergio is just so funny in all his wardrobe that we don't mind if his bike does'nt smell. Razz emoticon


as far as jess and his rules go,if yo not diggin it,go dig elsewhere Wha? emoticon
it's his world here and we all are just livin in it. Nerd emoticon
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It would seem a bit funny for "Modern Vespa" to be actively promoting rallies that specifically exclude modern vespas.

I'd agree that it's quite reasonable for Jess to not help with their promotion, so long as he does not ban posts about them either (which he is not proposing, so far as I know).

As far as rallies being exclusive, I've never heard of a gathering of 2-wheelers (other than Harleys) that tried to prevent people on the "wrong" bikes from participating - usually the rally is for all of those interested in a particular theme (local area, a certain make, age, or configuration, etc.), regardless of what they arrive on.

$0.02 deposited.

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I don't particularly care. It's Jess's house...we're all just visitors.

It's not like he's not letting us talk about rallies on the forums or on the event page... he's just not putting up vintage only banner adverts ( i assume? Unless there's more i'm missing ).

I think it's enough he gives us a subforum to separate our vintage-specific talk. He could just as easily say "this whole forum is for MODERN vehicles, not you guys... go someplace else".

We all do sorta need to remember the domain name of this site

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Fine with me!

Jess

Thanks for keeping MV up and running and thanks for the NSM section!
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Re: re
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Vintage only rallies!!

could someone please publish the full rules.

is there a date cut off?
manual shift only?
does this include other makes of scooter?

what a load of nonsense, my bikes one year newer than the cutoff? sorry you cant come.

my 1949 model A is broken can i come on my 1980 p2, no its a vintage rally.

ridiculous, ride what you want to where you want.

ive ridden vespas to motorcycle rallies, motorcycles to scooter rallies, vespas to lambretta club rallies and italjets to vespa rallies.

its divisive, elitist and can only be a bad thing for scootering.

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Well Jess I assume you are discussing our disagreement. You let it be known that you oppose vintage only rallies and would stop them if you could (how self important is that?) Since you've decided to air this out in the open for your minions to tell you "Go Great leader" and +1 and use emoticons. Here is what I just wrote to you in private.

The fact that you oppose vintage rallies speaks volumes. It's like a child demanding to play where he doesn't really fit in, like a rollerblader in a skateboard contest. Why do TNG'ers try to impose themselves where they don't fit in? Why does the 60 something year old bachelor who doesn't know how to bathe or ride a Honda Elite in a group try to hang out with the cool kids? If we eliminate the possibility of kooks on Chinese scoots trading paint with us then I'm happy. So what if there are less scoots, at least it will be more fun. You just proved the point that so many have been making.
I remember going into a Vespa boutique early on, I had just rolled up onto the sidewalk with my 66' lambretta noisemaker and walked into the shop for the first time. As I'm pulling off my helmet and looking around I see the clerk reading a magazine. The mechanic was changing oil and a spark plug for some nitwit who couldn't figure that out on his own and was viewable through plexiglass. I looked around for a few minutes all the while the clerk ignored me ( I was the only customer). I was looking for gear oil and spark plugs on the floor. The Clerk never looked up at me or showed any interest in my bike. I walked out without saying a word. That scene has repeated itself over and over in boutiques across the US. I can't tell you how many times I'm at a light on my beautiful Lambretta or on my 74' Rally, when a new vespa will pull up next to me and not even look over. No thumbs up. nothing. It's apparent that almost none of your bretheren have any clue about the history of the very bikes they are riding, apparently they have no clue in general judging by the way they pilot those bikes on rallies or the scooter skirts or crocs and on and on. We are vintage because we know better.
I'm telling you this so maybe you can understand why so many of us can't understand your tribe, and so you can understand why we are displeased.
You have probably heard all this before but have you ever really listened? I would say that part of this is Piaggios fault from the very beginning, first in how they left in the early 80's and then how they came back to N.A.
They way they set up the boutiques by ignoring existing shops who serviced the old scoots. Vespa boutiques should carry parts and service older scoots too. They helped create this atmosphere of animosity and are not helping. I don't agree with Steve Elliot about some stuff but my banner is up there and he's totally in the chinese and auto scoots. So, you forge ahead with your policies and we'll have fun being vintage with a slightly smaller audience.
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This thread really isn't debating ( and shouldn't be ) the merits or pitfalls of vintage-only rallies. If Jess doesn't want to support them, that's his prerogative. As i said, it's his house.

There's plenty of us ( me included ) who don't feel like they're a bad thing, just as modern rallies, or lambretta only rallies aren't a bad thing either. They are what they are.
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You let it be known that you oppose vintage only rallies and would stop them if you could (how self important is that?)
The first half of this statement is reasonable....we are all free to belive what we want to.

The second half..."would stop them if you could" is nothing more than projection & conjecture.

Excluding others is the providence of the vintage kids ONLY. It happens no where else in the scooter community.(well I do understand the Lammy kids going postal when a 'new' Lambrtta shows up....lol)

The real attraction of our community is the acceptance of others, no matter. The bigotry of the 'vintage only' subculture is a stain on the group as a whole.

This acceptance/promotion of bigotry is a bad seed that will only bear bitter fruit.

Thou I do defend your right have whatever type of rallys you want, I ACCEPT it.

IMHO.

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You are welcome at the classic if you ride a metal bodied shifting scooter in the example of a Vespa design (Bajaj/Stella) or any shifting Lambretta. Zundapp, Triumph, Rabbit etc. are welcome as well. You are welcome to PM me with specific questions that is unless I get banned for disagreeing with the supreme overlord.

I will pass out "Tickets" for scooter skirts and crocs.
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You let it be known that you oppose vintage only rallies and would stop them if you could (how self important is that?)
The first half of this statement is reasonable....we are all free to belive what we want to.

The second half..."would stop them if you could" is nothing more than projection & conjecture.

Excluding others is the providence of the vintage kids ONLY. It happens no where else in the scooter community.(well I do understand the Lammy kids going postal when a 'new' Lambrtta shows up....lol)

The real attraction of our community is the acceptance of others, no matter. The bigotry of the 'vintage only' subculture is a stain on the group as a whole.

This acceptance/promotion of bigotry is a bad seed that will only bear bitter fruit.

Thou I do defend your right have whatever type of rallys you want, I ACCEPT it.

IMHO.

R

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There is "No group as a whole" there are scooterists in the traditional sense and there are those that ride modern scoots. I have several friends that rode modern and then got introduced to vintage. They ride the modern for commutes but have real fun on vintage. I think no less of them. I would have a Runner or a Dragster in a heartbeat, I have a Harley and a Triumph. I would never assume to ride a modern bike on a vintage rally. Simple.
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There is "No group as a whole" there are scooterists in the traditional sense and there are those that ride modern scoots.
Is that like 'separate but equal'?

Gimme a break....

Enjoy your version of segregation....but you may find unintended consequences.....

Keep the rubber bits down.

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THA83 wrote:
You are welcome at the classic if you ride a metal bodied shifting scooter in the example of a Vespa design (Bajaj/Stella) or any shifting Lambretta. Zundapp, Triumph, Rabbit etc. are welcome as well.
We've got the same 'anally retentive train spotters' over here. Razz emoticon
You're so far up your own arse's it's untrue, whys it got to be a 'shifting' scooter?
What about the Triumph Tina/T10 or doesn't that count as it's an auto? Nerd emoticon
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THA83 wrote:
You are welcome at the classic if you ride a metal bodied shifting scooter in the example of a Vespa design (Bajaj/Stella) or any shifting Lambretta. Zundapp, Triumph, Rabbit etc. are welcome as well.
finally some rules


so a modern 2009 stella is ok then? (hardly vintage is it?)

60s triumph t10 not ok?

the new four stroke lml is ok?

what about my shifting chop which is three lambrettas a vespa engine and a kawasaki front end?

im going to have a proper vintage rally. Any vespa made before 1960. Thats a proper vintage rally. Oh no you wont be able to come. shame.

Oh thats a point its a vespa douglas made in bristol, Does that still count?. Please advise.

A I said before elitist nonsense.

This is the rally my club and I put on every year.


halfway house rally, somerset, england.

Lambrettas, autos, p ranges, et4's, gts's, gileras, italjets, etc etc.

everyone having a great time. Would you seriously turn someone away thats not on the "right" scooter?
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THA83 wrote:
You are welcome at the classic if you ride a metal bodied shifting scooter in the example of a Vespa design (Bajaj/Stella) or any shifting Lambretta. Zundapp, Triumph, Rabbit etc. are welcome as well.
We've got the same 'anally retentive train spotters' over here. Razz emoticon
You're so far up your own arse's it's untrue, whys it got to be a 'shifting' scooter?
What about the Triumph Tina/T10 or doesn't that count as it's an auto? Nerd emoticon
Jim, you have to admit he's got a point. You are up your own arse about this, even though you're generally a nice guy and I love you. You're wrong on a few points.

You speak in generalisations. Both Victor and Gene were long standing vintage scooter shops that opened boutiques when Piaggio came back. And you know one of your club mates would have given his right arm for one. Also, you say "we" when you speak of vintage riding scooterists. That's a pretty high and mighty assumption. You don't speak for everyone. You speak for you, and you only.

If you reserve the right to hold a vintage only rally, then don't slag Jess for reserving the right to say what he can do on his forum.

Now, I am having my period. Please, all of you men, don't be outdoing me on the PMS front. As a menstruating woman, I reserve all rights to be PMS irritable on this thread.

(In other words, shut the fuck up and go out and ride, whatever it is)

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Re: An Open Letter to the Vintage Community
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Fellow Scooterists,

I have come under fire recently for refusing to help promote vintage-only rallies. Please understand that I'm not trying to change the rules of anyone's rallies, or in any way trying to tell you what to do. I choose not to promote vintage-only rallies because it goes against everything I believe in. Modern Vespa is a mixed forum, and I'm happy to help promote those rallies that cater to a mixed audience.

Please don't ask me to help you promote something that runs counter to Modern Vespa's mission.

Thank you.
Can we get a "Modern Vintage Vespa" patch?

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I can appreciate fine art even though I'm not an artist, but I can't even attend a vintage rally because I don't own a vintage scoot and wasn't in the "scene" back in 1979? I suppose if I showed up at a vintage rally on a newly bought approved scoot, I'd be exposed as a dirty interloping charlatan and asked to leave anyway.

Your rally would be a sight to see, and I would love to see all those classic scoots, but your attitude sucks.

Enjoy your rally.
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[quote="Andrea"

(In other words, shut the fuck up and go out and ride, whatever it is)

Andrea[/quote]

Well said.

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I can very much appreciate Jess' position here.

Jimbo, while that was a nice speech, let's take a step back here for a second and remember this forum itself has some history of its own.

When this forum was started, it was started with the goal of being a technically minded forum for modern riders. Why? Because anyone riding a modern bike got a shit-ton of flack from people on the BBS. There has always been a mentality of second-class citizenry, which I can understand the genesis of and don't need a reiteration of the same grievances, but the fact remains: the alternative places to go for technical information were actually elitist, and there was no way to get any information if you actually wanted to work on and maintain your bike, much less tune it. You were basically told you were an idiot and to go home.

As a result, Modern Vespa was formed to give people a friendly, inclusive environment to discuss scooter related challenges. People of all technical proficiencies are invited to ask questions they might have related to their bikes.

of course, things change. The general tone is less about figuring out how to fix up your bike, and more about enjoying the community that formed around that, regardless of what you ride. People here ride new and old Vespas, Piaggios, Aprilias, Derbis, Peugeots, Fujis, Heinkels, Lambrettas, Italjets, Genuines, TGB/Pierspeed, Hondas, etc, and aside from the threads where people explicitly talk about why they like Vespas or why Vespas are so great, for the most part there is pretty much no pretension about what others ride. In riding my GT200, my V9A, my P125X, my Aprilia Atlantic 500, my Honda 599, my Honda Elite 250, or my MP3 500, I don't think I've ever really felt the kind of general derision here than at any other forum.

Perhaps the biggest thing that strikes me about Jess' post is that he talks about this forum being about inclusion, and not wanting to push things that bring exclusion, because that's why I'm here, and this place has helped me develop significantly both as a mechanic and a rider. I'm a decent wrench on my GT, and don't shy away from rebuilding any of my 2Ts.

And of course, Jimbo, you post a lot of things about crocs and scooter skirts, arguments we've all seen a billion times, that are ridiculous hyperbole that alienates people. For example, what if I were to say you wouldn't have any bikes at Classic (which I've attended the last 5 years), because none of your bikes would be running anyway? That your bike is just a prop for a drinking problem? That even living in the city you'll just truck your bike to the meet-up anyway?

Aren't those tired cliches as well? Aren't they bullshit? Yet at the same time, you're busting out the same sort of crap here. You may think I sound like a schmuck saying them, but that's basically the same sentiment of your post. And I don't believe what I say...

I mean really - this place is about inclusion. I think it's pretty safe to say that if you posted this on BBS' vintage only section you'd reach anyone you would have wanted to reach. So why come to an inclusive but modern oriented forum that contains people who you ridicule as being croc-wearing, scooter skirt owning, bad riders who will trade paint with you (if they had paint on their plastic), to promote a ride, then send a butt-hurt PM about how lame it is that you're not getting promotion on it that basically says you're trying to make sure none of the MV'ers come out (and post that same PM later)?

I am personally not against vintage only rallies, or modern only rallies. I'd personally rather go to an inclusive rally, but I've no issues with either. The one thing I don't like is when people assume I'm one thing or another simply because of the bike I choose to show up with on that day. I was actually mentioning to Jess a few days ago that I could appreciate the idea of Classic's return to form as a vintage-type rally, because first off it was for a damned long time when the Rally Kings ran it, and second off, no one ever presented it as "we don't want those damned modern riders around", just that people wanted to celebrate vintage bikes. The intent was about showcasing bikes, not riders.

Your post above does the exact opposite though. So who knows, maybe you speak for others in the club. Maybe you don't. But posts like yours make me not want to go to Classic.

For the record, 60% of my club has vintage bikes, one of them only has vintage (but also has a motorcycle) and another having only recently gotten a modern Vespa. Jess is in that same club. No one ever thinks any less of anyone regardless of what we ride. No one's the "black sheep" (if you pardon the expression). We led the San Juan Bautista ride at Amerivespa and had a shit ton of fun, and there was every type of bike imaginable (including a Thruxton and some... weird... MP5... thing), and I am thankful to have gotten to lead a very successful ride (with Pistol Pete taking pics from the back of my MP3) that had such an inclusive audience.

Also, I've been nearly murdered at rallies by just as many people riding Vino's or Tanks as I have people on vintage bikes. Everything from watching Jordan careen into a fuckin' fence to Bill Shamrock stalling 2-up while going up Lombard causing a chain reaction of Supers and Ps sucking it and spinning into everyone else. Then there's the skinny kids on the Primas who don't realize that just because your rear brake is the only one that will actually stop you, doesn't mean you need to lock it going down hill right in front of cable car tracks that their front tires track quite well into, fishtailing them into others just enough to nearly take out 5 other riders. I've also seen an LX bounce off a Burgman.

And yet, I enjoyed myself. I enjoyed the people I hung out with, who owned everything under the sun.

I don't expect every rally to be for everyone. I also think that if its not for an audience, don't post it to that audience. Especially when you've got an attitude about it.

To Summarize,
Vintage only rallies because classic bikes are cool: nothing wrong with it, no harm no foul. In fact, if you want to be super gracious, invite all bikes and say that only vintage bikes can be in the show or on the ride.
Vintage only rallies because you think modern bike riders are choads: don't post them here, we don't want that shit. This community isn't about belittling other people based on what they ride, or excluding people because of what they ride - there are other places to do that, and do it there.
Modern only rallies: sure, why not, but I've never really seen anyone care that much
Inclusive rallies: kick ass, love it. Love that I have a wide range of friends from a wide range of lifestyles and persuasions

Meanwhile I'm going to go out in a few to a ride to Daly City on my P125X, to check out some 50cc Yamahas and Hondas, with absolutely no irony in my soul what so ever.
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So after all that what is classed as vintage????????

Please just give a straight answer 1900 -1972 ??????

dates would be nice

mines from 89 -04
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Vintage only rallies = bigotry? Really? Wow, now that's sensitive. There are enough rallies throughout the year that allow anything to show up. What's the harm of a few that are more specific. So what if he won't put up a banner. If you post the rally most who frequent the not so modern section should see it. I don't see the point of not promoting them other than a grudge between a few people. Makes no sense to me but I really don't care.
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I'd give my eye tooth for those kinds of problems.

Seriously. I don't much care for LouisQ or much of what he writes.

But that was fucking HI-larious.

First time I've heard me laugh out loud in months.
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I had been looking forward to bringing my rabbit out for this rally as a way of braking the rules while being in the spirit of what they are trying to do. But after the post by THA83 I think I'll just go ride my vintage somewhere else for the weekend.

I have nothing against promoting vintage scooters but it can be done without excluding anyone.
1. If it's photo opps you want then separate the ride with the vintage in front
2. Make the awards vintage only categories to encourage those with both to bring out the older bikes.
3. Spend more than 5 min thinking about how you define "vintage". Allowing a stella while excluding an ET4 is just really odd. And where does a Rabbit, Heinkel or any of the other odd scoots fit in? I don't think you really wanted to exclude them. And do you really see the P200 as a classic?
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Why would you bother placing your ad banner here anyway, when you have already written on the BBS what you clearly think of us MV members who post in the Not-So-Modern of MV:

Speaking of the MV elite, I am having an interesting go around with Thor himself. I have been trying to get something placed at MV and he is showing what a little dictator he really is. There is a not so Modern section but it's still filled with mostly the same nuts as the other sections.


Post your banner on the Paisans where you might get some sympathy.
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Speaking of the MV elite, I am having an interesting go around with Thor himself. I have been trying to get something placed at MV and he is showing what a little dictator he really is. There is a not so Modern section but it's still filled with mostly the same nuts as the other sections.

Interesting to read this. Thanks Cafe.

THA83, don't suck the fun out of everything. You want a vintage-only site, go make one. Have fun defining little boundaries between scooters, sounds like a much more rewarding hobby than that of scootering itself
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I am kind of leary about riding with Vintage only clubs, last summer, 2008, I was riding on the PCH when I happened accross a classic Vespa. Looked really nice, all original as best I could tell. Silver in color and not alot of chrome. The guy had a club patch on his jacket.(It was Red and White) I said hello at the light, and said nice Vespa. I got the finger in return. Oh well. I was only on my GT200.
After that incident, I can honestly say I would not want to ride with folks that are single minded enough to belittle others for what they ride.

Another member here on MV that I met last summer was really excited about buying his first Vespa, his neighbor has a few classic scooters so he talked to him about what model to get. He was very helpful and looking forward to riding with him. My friend and his wife searched online and found a Vespa with low miles and just some minor cosmetic damage. The price was right! So they bought it. After they brought it home, he called his neighbor over to show him the scooter. Well when the guy saw it, he laughed and as he walked away, he said you cant ride with us, we are vintage only. So another scooterist is scorned for buying a modern Vespa.

The organized rides I have been on have all been great, no one is left behind or excluded for what they ride. Be it Modern or Vintage.


Both Jess and The OZ summed it up very well. We are here to ride, make friends and not judge one another by what brand or year of scooter we ride. This is Modern Vespa after all.

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