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I used to be on a BMW forum where a man who was an American but living in South America for the oil companies had bought a non-USA spec. BMW. After a couple of years, his company was transferring him back to the USA. He tried to bring the BMW with him but was told that he could not bring it in to the USA and if he tried, Customs would seize the bike and then destroy it. So, he sold the bike before moving.
The bike must meet the U.S. specifications that were in place as of the date of manufacture. Clearly, this S150 isn't going to meet those specs. and the OP is going to get hosed. Also, as others have posted, there was fraud in the location of the listing. There is good evidence to cancel the transaction immediately. The quicker he contacts Ebay & Paypal, the better his chances to recoup all of his money. If he drags his feet, he's going to lose all of his money.
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I cannot believe that someone would send $2,900.00 to a complete stranger, especially without knowing the details of the transaction ahead of time. And paypal "protection" doesn't apply to motor vehicles, does it?
Paypal protection DOES apply to motor vehicles, but there are guidelines. The seller has to have a confirmed Paypal address for one. This would have been stated when the buyer made the payment. I sold a bike on ebay for $11,000 3 years ago. I learned about Paypal protection then. In my case the buyer gave me a $500 deposit via Paypal then flew from New York to Indiana and checked the bike out. When he was satisfied he gave me $10,500 in a bank check. Originally I asked for cash but later called him back and told him to get a check. While he was at my house and i had the check in my hand I looked up his credit union in NY on the internet and called them. They verified that he was a customer and had sufficient funds in his account. They described what the check should look like. He rode the bike home. I sold 5 other bikes on ebay as well. All transactions went smooth. 4 were out of state buyers but i didnt ship any, they were all picked up. I have not bought a bike on ebay but I would if it was new from a dealer or used with tons of good photos. I would not have it shipped though, I would want to see it before paying the full amount. I usually check my surrounding 4 states when shopping on ebay.
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Indojavacargo.com, per the online tracking number he gave me, it went thru Hong Kong today.

Also, the seller did give me a VIN -but I suppose that could be a fake or a non-US number.
I don't get how the seller could say it was located in Memphis when it is actually being shipped from Indonesia. That must be against EBay's terms on its own and be a good cause for them to void the sale.

Also aren't payments for vehicle sales usually put into an escrow account and not released to the seller until the buyer has taken delivery and confirmed it is as advertised?
Great idea...I believe you can elect to use the escrow account but there is a charge for it...I wish I had used it!
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I was so excited to win a new 2009 S150 on Ebay. $2900 delivered, I thought I was the shizzle to get such a good price. I just got the tracking info and I find it is being shipped from Jakarta.

Any thoughts out there...would this be a knockoff? I don't know where these scooters are manufactured but I did not think it was Indonesia!
I also don't get that you can buy a brand new 09 for like $1000 more without drama from any dealer USA, what were you thinking?

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I was so excited to win a new 2009 S150 on Ebay. $2900 delivered, I thought I was the shizzle to get such a good price. I just got the tracking info and I find it is being shipped from Jakarta.

Any thoughts out there...would this be a knockoff? I don't know where these scooters are manufactured but I did not think it was Indonesia!
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It WAS a good price for a brand new scoot. But you gotta think WHO is selling a brand new scooter with zero miles. It should be a dealer. His ebay site should have shown multiple scooters for sale as well as accessories and there should have been actual photos of the scooter rather than the stock photo. Most dealers like to post pictures of their showroom and or building. They also typically list their address, phone number and transaction details such as they have to charge sales tax if you live in their state.

If it wasnt a dealer then WHERE is he getting brand new scooters.

I also suggest you pursue the PAYPAL investigation right now.
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This same seller sold 2 more yesterday. 120447089884 and 120447044765. I notified ebays fraud department a few hours before the auctions ended but the auctions didnt get canceled.

Hopefully the buyers figure out whats going on before sending any money.
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I was so excited to win a new 2009 S150 on Ebay. $2900 delivered, I thought I was the shizzle to get such a good price. I just got the tracking info and I find it is being shipped from Jakarta.

Any thoughts out there...would this be a knockoff? I don't know where these scooters are manufactured but I did not think it was Indonesia!
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It WAS a good price for a brand new scoot. But you gotta think WHO is selling a brand new scooter with zero miles. It should be a dealer. His ebay site should have shown multiple scooters for sale as well as accessories and there should have been actual photos of the scooter rather than the stock photo. Most dealers like to post pictures of their showroom and or building. They also typically list their address, phone number and transaction details such as they have to charge sales tax if you live in their state.

If it wasnt a dealer then WHERE is he getting brand new scooters.

I also suggest you pursue the PAYPAL investigation right now.[/quote]

...Yup. I've put in a claim under the Ebay Motors buyers protection this afternoon.
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I hope all goes well for you. Hindsight is well you know. Let's hope his little ebay business gets shut down.
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I was thinking I was a genius for getting such a good price.
Lets review. You bought an S150 sight unseen off of eBay for $2900 from a "dealer" in Jakarta, Indonesia. You paid for it in full and it is now supposedly being shipped to you through Hong Kong by a company you never heard of. If it actually appears, you do not know whether you will be charged import duty or if you will be able to title or license the scoot in the US. Now you are asking the rest of us whether we think that this purchase was a good idea?

(Needless to say, I'm speechless - which is probably just as well.)
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DOOGLAS the person represented themselves as being from Tennessee. Which may be near Jakarta Razz emoticon Just kidding i've been to Tenn many times and love it So the OP probably figured the scooter was coming from there not via Hong Kong or indonesia
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Lets review. You bought an S150 sight unseen off of eBay for $2900 from a "dealer" in Jakarta, Indonesia. You paid for it in full and it is now supposedly being shipped to you through Hong Kong by a company you never heard of. If it actually appears, you do not know whether you will be charged import duty or if you will be able to title or license the scoot in the US. Now you are asking the rest of us whether we think that this purchase was a good idea?

In the very first post Stockma said:

"I just got the tracking info and I find it is being shipped from Jakarta."

I think it's a good idea to read everything before you rip the guy a new a'hole.
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The scooter is supposed to arrive on the 24th. Maybe we should wait until then to decide if it's worth notifying Ebay about a seller committing fraud. And maybe the OP should do it since it's his/her transaction in the first place.
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I think the seller fraud that was being discussed was the fact that the seller said the item was located in Tennessee ... misrepresenting where the item is located is definately against Ebay rules. It's not clear if the OP actually made verbal contact with the seller before sending his money.

I do not understand how an entire scooter can arrive from Jakarta on the 24th, when it takes about a month for a tiny engine part to arrive from Italy.
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ALICE ROFL emoticon I just got a package i sent myself from NY Took a month to get here The USPS broke some of the other stuff i sent but i clearly thought they had lost the pkg. Good news is i got the checks from the insurance on the same day the other package came. No wonder they have TV ads now about their flat rate boxes
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I agree with Alice, plus my concern is that paypal only puts a lock on payments for so long, and for all we know the "arrival date" might just be a date chosen to be after that lock would be released... give the person a time-frame so that they feel safe, but set it so you can actually access the money in the meantime, turn it into cash, and vanish. PROBABLY they are not that clever, but who knows. Better to nip it in the bud.

As I've said, even if a scooter IS in the mail, some of the folks here who know more than I do have expressed strong feelings that it might be nightmare if even possible to title/register/ride the thing. Fraud HAS already occurred, in that the misrepresentation of the location of the item might well cost the seller any chance of using it. If the seller lied and shipped the item from another US state then at least it would still be able to be registered. But it is coming from another country (if at all) which means the item could maybe be worth not more than a "for parts" vehicle to the purchaser.

I would definitely not wait a week
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But you wouldn't have bought the thing in the first place.

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1) The Seller represented the item as being in Memphis, Tenn....then sent a message to the buyer saying that the item was being shipped from Jakarta, Indonesia. That is misrepresentation and fraud.

2) It states in the details that the scooter is new and has a 12 month warranty. The warranty can't come from Vespa since manufacturer's don't extend their USA warranties to items that were manufactured for use outside of the USA.

3). I used to deal with a company that had a factory in Indonesia. We routinely bought container loads of merchandise from them and you can't just sell a large item (like a scooter) one day and have it put on a ship the next day that is headed to the USA (whether it's a single item or a container load). There is a 99.99% chance that nothing has been shipped by the Seller. The whole transaction was probably a sham and the Seller is hoping that the money could clear their account by the time the buyer/Ebay/Paypal could figure it out. If the buyer filed his dispute with Ebay & Paypal yesterday, there's a good chance he will get his money back.

The buyer was duped and has a legal reason to cancel the transaction.
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i actually bid and won on the other 150. became a bit suspicious when seller couldnt answer some simple questions but to his credit he cancelled the transaction and refunded the deposit. if you look however on his new listings he lists the scooters as originating from "memphis/INTL" thus his listings were/are indeed a bit misleading. when i first looked at his listing it appeared very much that this was a dealer in memphis with too much inventory. i suspect now this is a mom and pop e-bay business importing knock-offs or foriegn (non-Italian) origin scooters - the whole emissions qualifications thus would come into play in addition to the likelihood that these are not genuine vespas. i was very apprehensive about sending large amount of cash without some escrow situation; thus also contributing to my decision to cancel. as a prior post said - better to pay an extra $1000 bucks to local dealer in order to be assured you get what you think you payed for.
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Wow .. I'm the other S150 buyer this week. I just got the VIN number of the scooter and in my search ended up on this website to this thread. I went through the Ebay/Paypal process of buying for it, and think I'll be looking at backing out of the deal. The seller has been good about responding to emails and every indication was that the bike was from the States. His email is from that area. Like Lobber1 said, i thought it was from a Vespa dealer in the Memphis area going out of business or too much stock. (a dealership did change hands there recently). I have one more email to him, and if it isn't answered properly, I'll start the process of canceling the deal. I'll let you know how it goes.

Also if anyone else comes up with new info. Please let us know.


I did troll the for sale forums here quite a bit looking for a Vespa, but most things are pretty far away and shipping is not cheap. Also dealing with the dealerships locally hasn't been rewarding. The price stated seems to never be the price, they like to add "set up and destination charge, and documentation fee which add up to at least 10-20% more. This scooter was in the upper limits of my price range and seemed legit, maybe still is, but doesn't seem straight forward. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Does anyone know how to look up modern Vespa Vin numbers, ... my searches haven't been fruitful, .. thanks , Chris
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Post your VIN and we can tell you if it's a Vespa that is legit for the U.S. market. If it's not, you will have NO warranty and it won't even clear U.S. Customs because it doesn't have the required, factory installed, emissions equipment. They will not release the scooter and in fact, will destroy it. It must meet the U.S. requirements that are/were in place, as of the date of manufacture.
The is a 99.99999% chance that if the seller has even shipped a scooter to you that it won't meet these requirements since it's coming from Indonesia.
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Best price I can find locally (Calif) is 5300 out the door which includes our lovely 9.25% sales tax and registration. (this includes the 500 rebate vespa has running now)
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Best price I can find locally (Calif) is 5300 out the door which includes our lovely 9.25% sales tax and registration. (this includes the 500 rebate vespa has running now)
Don't forget the dealer set up charges.
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VIN # is zapm448f495602131.

THanks
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Here's how to read the VIN number:
https://modernvespa.com/forum/wiki-vin-decoding

We need someone with a U.S.A. spec. S model to tell us what the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th characters are on their VIN plate. This will tell you if it's a USA emission conforming model.

*I just created a thread asking for help from anyone who owns a USA spec S150.
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This is what it shows .. World region: Europe .. not sure what that part means .. would feel better if it said USA.

2009 VESPA
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ZAPM448F495602131

World region:
Europe

Manufactured in:
Italy

Year:
2009

Make:
Vespa

Model:
LX150

Body style:
Motor Scooter

Drive type:
RWD

Cylinders:
1 Cylinder
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Actually, at the bottom of the page that has the decoding information, it shows that M448F is the code for a USA model, LX150.

Did you buy a S150 or a LX150?

*OOPS.............looks like we were posting at the same time.

Looks to me like you bought a USA model LX150 but I don't see how the seller can deliver a USA model to you since he's not the authorized Vespa importer for the USA. Vespa USA is the official importer for the USA. IF he can deliver, Vespa USA will not honor the warranty. Call any Vespa dealer and they will confirm this.
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Its a S150. Walked by a white S150 this morning, looked new... heading the same way tomorrow, if its there i'll take a peak at the VIN .

Well learning more about Vespas than I thought I would, without owning one as of yet. Maybe I'll start a thread to have folks list the 4 5 6 7 8 #s to aquire a better data base for the different model types.
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Did a Google search for this VIN and found this: http://www.faricyford.com/vehicle_details_print.htm?vehicleId=4b1f1a224046381e01e35b38367a915a&bhcp=1

$4,649
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Red
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ZAPM448F495602131
Stock Number:
95602131
Model Code:
S150

This vehicle is located at: Vespa Canon, 1-719-269-7626
2585 Fremont Drive Canon City, CO 81212
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Same VIN # as I was given. ... serial number part 602131 shouldn't be the same, should it? Crying or Very sad emoticon

Thanks XLR8 for your input
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Sounds scamalicious to me. I'd bet a tank of gas that the alleged bike doesn't even exist and nothing is actually being shipped to either of you. Both of you should follow up with eBay & PayPal immediately to notify them that this is definitely a case of fraud, since they gave both of you the same VIN, and it doesn't even match the type of bike that was listed. Since you paid through PayPal, you stand a pretty good chance of getting your money back. Good luck, and go visit your local dealer to look into actually getting a Vespa.

BTW stockma, you live in my old stomping grounds - I grew up in Wynnewood, my mom still lives in West Chester! And you have two dealers nearby that you can choose from:

http://www.crossroadpowersports.com/
http://www.importcarsofwestchester.com/
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I was the only one given that VIN, it just that it happens to match one in Colorado. .. the serial numbers seem to differentiate the 09 LX150 from the 09 S150's. LXs serial numbers start with 50, S150 60.

Talking to Ebay and PayPal, a bit of a ping pong match, one always wants be to call the other, but am starting the paper trail.

Never drink and Ebay,
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Same VIN # as I was given. ... serial number part 602131 shouldn't be the same, should it? Crying or Very sad emoticon

Thanks XLR8 for your input
Chris, you're welcome. I hate to see people get screwed over by crooks.

This is direct evidence for you to kill the deal with Ebay & Paypal. The Seller is lifting serial numbers from the websites of USA Vespa dealers and listing them on Ebay. You should cite that website where the scooter that you bought from the Seller is actually located in CO. Please let us know how this turns out.
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Best price I can find locally (Calif) is 5300 out the door which includes our lovely 9.25% sales tax and registration. (this includes the 500 rebate vespa has running now)
Wow. That seems expensive.

My 07 BV 250 out the door with Topcase, helmet, and gloves added was only $5600.00.

$300.00 difference doesn't seem like much even when you figure the S150 is in California. Our tax rate is the same and there was no rebate for here when I purchased it. I don't know about now. I haven't looked lately.
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So it is 7/24. Did you get it? Can't stand the anticipation...fingers crossed for you.
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So it is 7/24. Did you get it? Can't stand the anticipation...fingers crossed for you.
Sticky Frog: I don't think you read all of the posts. Nobody is going to receive a scooter from this seller. By doing a little searching, I found one the VIN numbers for one of the three scooters that the seller sold, listed for sale (with VIN number) by a Vespa dealer in Colorado yet the seller sent emails to each of the buyers telling them that it was coming from Indonesia. This was after advertising on Ebay that the scooters were in Memphis, TN.

The whole thing was a big sham and con game to get their money...... then, buy some time by telling the buyers that their scooters were being shipped so the money would clear the accounts and the seller could run with the money. Hopefully, all three of the buyers who posted in this thread were able to recover their money.
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XLR8 wrote:
Sticky Frog: I don't think you read all of the posts. Nobody is going to receive a scooter from this seller. By doing a little searching, I found one the VIN numbers for one of the three scooters that the seller sold, listed for sale (with VIN number) by a Vespa dealer in Colorado yet the seller sent emails to each of the buyers telling them that it was coming from Indonesia. This was after advertising on Ebay that the scooters were in Memphis, TN.

The whole thing was a big sham and con game to get their money...... then, buy some time by telling the buyers that their scooters were being shipped so the money would clear the accounts and the seller could run with the money. Hopefully, all three of the buyers who posted in this thread were able to recover their money.
The OP did say he had a tracking number and that something was actually on its way through Hong Kong,
stockma wrote:
Indojavacargo.com, per the online tracking number he gave me, it went thru Hong Kong today.
It will be interesting to see what actually turns up on his doorstep, which is what I think Sticky Frog was referring to.
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