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The sharp-eyed among you will have already noticed that we're now showing an overt indication of each user's karma below their avatar. If there's no indicator, their karma is either close to neutral or possibly negative. I'll eventually get around to showing negative karma, but this is a start. EDIT: We now have negative karma indicators as well.

I'm hoping that this will spur a bit more activity in the post ratings department. I see a lot of posts go by unrated that deserve recognition -- mostly positive. If you ask a question here, and someone gives you a straightforward answer, please reward their post with a thumbs-up. It doesn't have to be a huge write-up or a herculean effort, just a straight answer that is helpful or useful. If you see someone else ask a question and get a helpful answer that you know to be correct, reward the poster that answered on behalf of the person who asked.

The idea here is that post ratings are only useful if people are using it fairly consistently. Each post rating is not supposed to be a huge influence, just a very small drop in a much larger bucket. So spend some karma. It doesn't cost you anything, after all.

Conversely, if you see someone behaving rudely or obnoxiously, don't hesitate to give them a thumbs-down. There are many forms of obnoxious behavior that aren't exactly prohibited by the posting guidelines, but make for an unpleasant forum.

While I've seen a few people continue to abuse the rating system (especially on the negative side), on the whole the system has correctly separated the helpful from the obnoxious. I'd like to continue that, but with more ratings to get a finer-grained picture. The more you all use the system, the less any single individual can sway the ratings with their own personal vendetta.

(And I've been developing some sophisticated tools to deal with the people who are abusing the system.)

Now that we've got some overt karma indicators, everyone's got a little bit more incentive to try to be more helpful and less obnoxious.

Thanks for your help.

MORE EDIT: I hit five targets already, less than one day in. Bollocks. I've now re-scaled it so that successive mod targets are harder to earn the higher you get. This lowers me, at this moment, to three targets, and at the same time raises more people to having at least half a target. I'm reasonably happy with that.
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Two thumbs up jess 8)

Cheers
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Jess, I don't understand? The second post on this thread shows Jimh with only one mod out of five, when we all know he's one of the super-helpful people on here.

Huh? 1 of 5 isn't intuitively "good." Good idea though to remind us to use karma. Mine has been lazy lately.
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Bobovespa wrote:
Jess, I don't understand? The second post on this thread shows Jimh with only one mod out of five, when we all know he's one of the super-helpful people on here.

Huh? 1 of 5 isn't intuitively "good." Good idea though to remind us to use karma. Mine has been lazy lately.
i agree. i guess we better start giving him the thumbs up on the bottom right hand corner!
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Bobovespa wrote:
Jess, I don't understand? The second post on this thread shows Jimh with only one mod out of five, when we all know he's one of the super-helpful people on here.

Huh? 1 of 5 isn't intuitively "good." Good idea though to remind us to use karma. Mine has been lazy lately.
That's exactly why I want to encourage you all to rate more posts. Jim is obviously helpful, and deserves more credit.

It's true that 1 out of 5 seems intuitively like a poor score, but it's not an average of all his scores, it's a cumulative number of individual positive ratings. It will make more sense when I start showing negative karma ratings with different symbols. Any mod target, even half of one, is significantly positive.
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Holy moly! To be completely honest, I had forgotten about the karmic (sp?) rating system entirely! ...off to go send some positive vibes...
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off to go send some positive vibes...
That's the spirit!
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Good idea though to remind us to use karma. Mine has been lazy lately.
You and me both
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who gets the toaster for most karma? Clown emoticon
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Update: I've just added negative karmic indicators as well.
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<- flys below the karma radar
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Hey! Check out the World Famous Pets thread in the gallery, and give my cat Mozu good karma---! 8)

(I'm actually angling to accessorize my avatar with more mod-targets. 1/2 is not enough.... )

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Bobovespa wrote:
Jess, I don't understand? The second post on this thread shows Jimh with only one mod out of five, when we all know he's one of the super-helpful people on here.

Huh? 1 of 5 isn't intuitively "good." Good idea though to remind us to use karma. Mine has been lazy lately.
True, and true! Get clickin'--- 8)
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Interesting, now we don't have to look at lists to see people's karma.
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Re: Karmic Incentive
jess wrote:
The sharp-eyed among you will have already noticed that we're now showing an overt indication of each user's karma below their avatar. If there's no indicator, their karma is either close to neutral or possibly negative. I'll eventually get around to showing negative karma, but this is a start. EDIT: We now have negative karma indicators as well.
I was just wondering what that tiny empty space was below my picture - it turns out it's just my complete lack of karma.
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Right behind you Gitta.

Note to self: time to bribe the mods.
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So Karma doesn't show up in the iPhone interface? Just checking.
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So Karma doesn't show up in the iPhone interface? Just checking.
That's correct, for now.
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Ahhhh. I do seem to remember reading this, and may have clicked one or two but soon forgot.

I'll have to remember to share the love.
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I hope everyone has a GREAT day, that ought to be worth 1/1000th of a point. Since I'm not much of a Vespa repair person I guess I can't be of too much help to others, but if you ever need any advice on air-cooled VW's, what that is a different story.
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<- flys below the karma radar
I'm so low below I must be in the stealth mode.
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I've made a slight adjustment to the display on the suggestion of michael_h. Instead of showing the targets as n out of 5, we're now showing just the number of mod targets earned so far by that person, with no implied range. This should eliminate the impression that one mod target is a poor score.

This should have been apparent to me, and even more so after Bobo expressed his confusion, but never let it be said that I can't (eventually) learn.
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Karma? We ain't got no karma. We don't need no karma! I don't have to show you any stinkin' karma! Razz emoticon
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but if you ever need any advice on air-cooled VW's, what that is a different story.
I have a 72 convertible in the garage - it looks beautiful but the rear windows don't work, the battery keeps dying (I don't drive it much these days) and the rear tyre keeps deflating. At least I change the oil and spark plugs religiously every 6 years. One of these days I'm going to work out how to maintain vehicles and there'll be no stopping me.
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I would like to know where we go to add to a persons rating ?
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Use the "Thumbs Up" or "Thumbs Down" in the right hand corner of each post.


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Thank you !
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jess wrote:
I've made a slight adjustment to the display on the suggestion of michael_h. Instead of showing the targets as n out of 5, we're now showing just the number of mod targets earned so far by that person, with no implied range. This should eliminate the impression that one mod target is a poor score.

I have one target which is a poor score, but I need another one to cover both nipples.

Three will make me near decent.
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jess wrote:
I've made a slight adjustment to the display on the suggestion of michael_h. Instead of showing the targets as n out of 5, we're now showing just the number of mod targets earned so far by that person, with no implied range. This should eliminate the impression that one mod target is a poor score.

I have one target which is a poor score, but I need another one to cover both nipples.

Three will make me near decent.
I think I rather like you just like this.
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If you install a Filthometer perhaps I can have five filths instead and no decency at all.

Yours,

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mike_bike_kite wrote:
Dillinger-63 wrote:
but if you ever need any advice on air-cooled VW's, what that is a different story.
I have a 72 convertible in the garage - it looks beautiful but the rear windows don't work, the battery keeps dying (I don't drive it much these days) and the rear tyre keeps deflating. At least I change the oil and spark plugs religiously every 6 years. One of these days I'm going to work out how to maintain vehicles and there'll be no stopping me.
Windows: Power or crank, I'm 90 sure crank. but need more info. Are they stuck or do the cranks free spin?

Oil & Plugs, depends on how often you drive. I do the plugs every three years no matter what and oil every other year, but then again I put about 600 to 800 miles on my 66 in two years time as I drive it in the summer and it is stored in the winter.

Battery: If you don't drive the car much put the battery on a Battery Tender, trickle charger, that is what I do with my 6 volt 66 Bug, especially in the winter time.

A great book to have it John Muir's (he is dead but his son keeps stuff going: How To Keep Your Volkswagen Alive.

http://www.amazon.com/Keep-Your-Volkswagen-Alive-Anniversary/dp/1562614800

A super web site that I frequent often is http://www.thesamba.com/vw/

Hope this helps.
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If you install a Filthometer perhaps I can have five filths instead and no decency at all.

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Hmmm. That gives me a filthy idea...
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That's kinda cool 8)

The karma order seems a bit different (better, really)
Has there been a change to the way that karma is being calculated?
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L from Jersey wrote:
That's kinda cool 8)

The karma order seems a bit different (better, really)
Has there been a change to the way that karma is being calculated?
Nope. No change in the way it's calculated, although there have been some curious developments in the way people are using it.
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Re: Karmic Incentive
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The sharp-eyed among you will have already noticed that we're now showing an overt indication of each user's karma below their avatar.
Thanks for making this earlier suggestion of mine a reality. You implemented it nicely!
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Ummm...
I'm sure you've thought of this,
but some folks may be proud of their "bad karma" status

Particularly now that it's visible even if you aren't logged in
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Ummm...
I'm sure you've thought of this,
but some folks may be proud of their "bad karma" status

Particularly now that it's visible even if you aren't logged in
Punks is punks.
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L from Jersey wrote:
Ummm...
I'm sure you've thought of this,
but some folks may be proud of their "bad karma" status

Particularly now that it's visible even if you aren't logged in
I don't think they'll work so hard to achieve a low rating once we start cutting off various forum features to those that sink below a certain threshold. Or maybe they will. No matter. We'll eventually start hearing and seeing less of them as they sink lower, so ultimately it doesn't matter.

Before I implement any of those measures, though, I need to fix some of the abuse that's going on, where people are uprating themselves through phantom accounts and carrying out personal vendettas on those that they dislike. Otherwise, some perfectly fine people will get caught in the dragnet and have their forum functionality reduced for no reason.
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Dillinger-63 wrote:
Windows: Power or crank, I'm 90 sure crank. but need more info. Are they stuck or do the cranks free spin?
Thanks for all the info - I do have the book but have always been terrified of mechanics unless I can see someone do it first. I keep looking at the wiki forum here and gathering my tools but then chicken out.

The windows are crank except they don't - they just stay permanently down unless I pull them up at the same time as cranking. I can't complain too much as I've owned the car for 25 years.
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OMG - I've just thought I might get a bad karma ticket for attempting to hijack a thread! I presume the OP isn't anyone important.
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