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jess wrote:
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I have a question on when karma hits critical mass so that it's expressed in targets. In checking a bit earlier it seemed that only the top 30 or so karma earners have the targets, which still leaves quite a large number of positive karma holders with no indicators.

No big deal...but curious.
I'm trying to avoid spilling the beans on the exact numbers involved. I tried to scale it so that getting a target is achievable for a lot of people, but that gave *me* five targets, which is embarrassing. I compromised by setting the scale high enough so that I wouldn't be maxed out on targets right away while still getting some people a half or a whole star.

By making the karma indicators visible, I'm anticipating a strong uptick in post ratings. I'm counting on that fact. The number of positive ratings necessary to earn a half star isn't really very high at all, numerically speaking, but the rating system has been underused since I introduced it. If necessary, I'll rescale, but I think we should see more people with targets under their avatar shortly.
Jess, is your ultimate goal to improve the lot by dangling a carrot, in hopes that helpful posts will be made? Is this a way of thinning the herd and having the subtle effect of creating a caste system of those with targets/those without?

There are probably many here who wonder, as I do, if a target will ever grace their avatar. Not knowing if it will be on the next post or the next hundred is a real poser.
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Jess, is your ultimate goal to improve the lot by dangling a carrot, in hopes that helpful posts will be made?
Yes.
NightWing wrote:
Is this a way of thinning the herd
Yes.
NightWing wrote:
and having the subtle effect of creating a caste system of those with targets/those without?
No. In a true caste system, nobody gets to aspire to something higher. They are born into that caste, and that's their lot in life.

In this system, one can always improve their reputation just by being helpful and making an effort to be well-liked. Those that don't care or won't make the effort will at least be identifiable, and perhaps worse. It's up to each individual to better themselves.
NightWing wrote:
There are probably many here who wonder, as I do, if a target will ever grace their avatar. Not knowing if it will be on the next post or the next hundred is a real poser.
The numbers are small. Paltry, even. It doesn't take a lot of ratings to earn a half star. They're already starting to appear, now that people are cognizant of the relationship between targets and post ratings. I predict that this will become a non-issue shortly.
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curious, does the MV Bot have a positive or negative rating?
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curious, does the MV Bot have a positive or negative rating?
I personally rate her very highly.
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Can it not be logarithmic? One 'symbol' easy to achieve, two more than twice as tricky etc?
Was toying with that very idea this afternoon...
Bollocks. I already hit five targets today. Redonkulous.

I've now re-scaled the translation from raw votes into targets so that they're harder to earn as you go up, and easier to earn in the beginning. That drops me down to three targets (as of this writing) and brings more people up to the level of having at least half a target.

Just to be evil, though, the negative scale is uniform, and each half step is easier to "earn".
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Nonlinear karma... now that's cool!

And folks who know what logarithms are... that's REALLY cool!! Nerd emoticon
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curious, does the MV Bot have a positive or negative rating?
I personally rate her very highly.
Of course: she's a Hot Bot.
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jess wrote:
jess wrote:
jimc wrote:
Can it not be logarithmic? One 'symbol' easy to achieve, two more than twice as tricky etc?
Was toying with that very idea this afternoon...
Bollocks. I already hit five targets today. Redonkulous.

I've now re-scaled the translation from raw votes into targets so that they're harder to earn as you go up, and easier to earn in the beginning. That drops me down to three targets (as of this writing) and brings more people up to the level of having at least half a target.

Just to be evil, though, the negative scale is uniform, and each half step is easier to "earn".
Wooo hooot! External inline image provided by member with no explanatory text

Nonlinear karma... now that's cool!

And folks who know what logarithms are... that's REALLY cool!! Nerd emoticon
and Zen too.
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I've added shameless self promotion to my signature.
Yeah, we noticed your marketing ploy. You're up to a whole target! Your life's complete! 8)
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I have one target which is a poor score, but I need another one to cover both nipples.

Three will make me near decent.
Decency coming your way-- reciprocity welcome 8)
Heck, ladies, if I thought the roundels were covering your naughty bits I'd be giving you thumbs down all night!!!

Oops, sorry, that might have brought on some bad juju!
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I don't know if I'd say this means the system is "working," but I've somehow gained a whole roundel during the course of the day.

Maybe I posted something funny or useful earlier. I don't recall. Still trying to figure out if I do better when I post more or less frequently, ha.
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I don't know if I'd say this means the system is "working," but I've somehow gained a whole roundel during the course of the day.

Maybe I posted something funny or useful earlier. I don't recall. Still trying to figure out if I do better when I post more or less frequently, ha.
There was a bit of refactoring late this afternoon that may have come into play:
jess wrote:
I've now re-scaled the translation from raw votes into targets so that they're harder to earn as you go up, and easier to earn in the beginning. That drops me down to three targets (as of this writing) and brings more people up to the level of having at least half a target.
But I'm voting for funny and useful!
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pdxvespa wrote:
Wonder Machine wrote:
I have one target which is a poor score, but I need another one to cover both nipples.

Three will make me near decent.
Decency coming your way-- reciprocity welcome 8)
Heck, ladies, if I thought the roundels were covering your naughty bits I'd be giving you thumbs down all night!!!

Oops, sorry, that might have brought on some bad juju!
Nah, just an indecent snicker or two....
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Look at this!
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Look at this!
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(Maybe there's a glitch in the system?)
Or maybe it's easy to fake a row of roundels at the bottom of your avatar.
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I've added shameless self promotion to my signature.
Yeah, we noticed your marketing ploy. You're up to a whole target! Your life's complete! 8)
I'm Planning my retirement now.

You've almost got two nice ones yourself.
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L from Jersey wrote:
Look at this!
Laughing emoticon

(Maybe there's a glitch in the system?)
Or maybe it's easy to fake a row of roundels at the bottom of your avatar.
Ohhhhhh!
Need more caffeine
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Karma
I wonder when the Boy George jokes and or comments will start. Ya know, Karma Karma Chama leon
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I hope everyone has a GREAT day, that ought to be worth 1/1000th of a point. Since I'm not much of a Vespa repair person I guess I can't be of too much help to others, but if you ever need any advice on air-cooled VW's, what that is a different story.
You will get Carmen Ghia points
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I hope everyone has a GREAT day, that ought to be worth 1/1000th of a point. Since I'm not much of a Vespa repair person I guess I can't be of too much help to others, but if you ever need any advice on air-cooled VW's, what that is a different story.
You will get Carmen Ghia points
I'll take them.
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Crap, I lost a whole half a target in less than an hour! Who did I piss off this time? Probably some ET4 owner who took offense at me questioning whether they're faster than LXs in "the same way that red scooters are faster" or whether ETs should be regarded as collectibles.

Guess I just need to keep my wiseass piehole shut get back out there in the trenches and kiss some more asses provide more useful information.
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well, actually karma is something that one accumulates through present and past causes one makes, to how they will be in the future depends upon what causes one makes right now

I am confident of my changing my immutable karma as I go day by day, as I see the actions of my causes from the past come forth, and there is only one way to change immutable karma keep on practicing
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The definition of the word immutable is an object whose nature can not be changed. So immutable karma would be karma which is incapable of being changed. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.
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Interesting idea Jess! I was bumbling around on a small Pocket PC screen for a good while trying to figure out from whence that mysterious symbol came Thank goodness I'm back to a real computer and can more efficiently browse the threads
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The definition of the word immutable is an object whose nature can not be changed. So immutable karma would be karma which is incapable of being changed. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.
Immutable karma can be changed if you follow the correct philosophy. If you want to know more, email me, and I will be back at cha with the URL.

mutable karma can be changed, but to really open up, it has been directed that immutable karma can be changed as well. And why not, we are equal human beings on this planet.

BTW, I am a practicing Buddhist for 35 years.

have a good positive karma day.
If you follow my signature line at the bottom, that give's an idea
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I'd better get out my list of people I've wronged and try to make it all right to serve Karma...

...at least on Thursday nights.
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It is really not that difficult to figure out who the person is that had the dual accounts and was patting himself on the back. Just go to the people who are now rated karma negative or low neutral, and see if you see anyone familiar down there who has a huge number of posts and was previously ranked very high because of his own props to himself.

It is impossible to have plunged into the negative that quickly from being positive without having fake good karma taken away overnight.

I won't say who I think it is, but even Shaggy and Scooby could solve this one. Draw your own conclusions.
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Is there a way (other than scrolling every thread) to see which posts have received positive/negative karma? I can see who gave me a thumbs-up/down, but I'm curious as to which posts garnered the rating.

If a post is marked "neutral," that means it's received equal ups and downs, right?

A whole new dimension to my narcissistic insecurities!
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ericalm wrote:
Is there a way (other than scrolling every thread) to see which posts have received positive/negative karma?
Not yet. It'll be a future addition.
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I can see who gave me a thumbs-up/down, but I'm curious as to which posts garnered the rating.
Well, not really. Moderators can see the karma stats page (and I believe that includes you) but nobody else can see who is rating who.
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If a post is marked "neutral," that means it's received equal ups and downs, right?
"Neutral" means that the sum of votes (pos and neg) isn't significantly positive or negative enough to pronounce it one way or the other. Think of it as a detent around zero.
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soon Everyone will be a moderator, and then everyone can see who rated what post with how many thumbs up or down.

and who did the rating.



i guess that's the good aspect of a TON of mods.

but in the mean time
Since many are so socially intimate with some of the mods, then they can tell each other the "current Karma gossip"...

can I get a thumbs up?
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can I get a thumbs up?
No.
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ericalm wrote:
Is there a way (other than scrolling every thread) to see which posts have received positive/negative karma?
Not yet. It'll be a future addition.
Cool. Not pushing or whining for more more more, but it'll be a valuable addition to the system. I often don't know when I am or am not being a jerk and suspect the same is true for at least 3 or 4 others. The remaining jerks have achieved a higher level of self awareness.
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I can see who gave me a thumbs-up/down, but I'm curious as to which posts garnered the rating.
Well, not really. Moderators can see the karma stats page (and I believe that includes you) but nobody else can see who is rating who.
That does include me! That's half my karma fun right there.
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I'd better get out my list of people I've wronged and try to make it all right to serve Karma...

...at least on Thursday nights.
It's like this:

Karma causes start with "thought" which leads to "words" which leads to
equal or opposite reaction.
So the causes you made in the past end up being actions, depending on what the "thought" cause was.

Pretty Philosophical if one starts backwards from the infinate past. The law of cause and effect are as old as the universe itself.
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can I get a thumbs up?
Sure, what the hell.
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Still negative.

cheers
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can i have pirate flags instead of mod targets? :hoping:
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can i have pirate flags instead of mod targets? :hoping:
Oooh yes! I want little brains
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