Modern Vespa

I think this Karma thing is a form of abuse. It is discrimination in an overt way. Do you really think it is fair and can it reflect what it has been set up to do even if it was well intended. I didn't even know that this is what the thumbs were for and other then the locals, I am sure that many others don't either. Do you really think Jess for example with all those positive targets, is 6 times kinder, nicer, less intollerant, is a better person (or whatever we interpret these targets to be) then say the evil snakebike with one negative and soon to grow with his different opinions shot from the hip, take no prisoners attitude. Does that make snakebike a bad resource, evil, unkind, unworthy, I think not... this is not unlike tatooing peole with stars...... if you think about it. I think this needs a serious rethink...can this kind of rating system be bordering on a breach of human rights? How many of you wrote to Piaggio to thank them when you got your parts compared to those who had their scooters in the shop waiting. If you want a site with one opinion and one type of person then this will work and I also doubt that you will have any issues as this will be taken care of in the first ten minutes with gangs praying on those that dare to be different.

You're a tit.



It's just a forum. You can choose to turn off you computer and not look anymore! Even better go ride your scooter.

Wondered what they where all about... Thought it meant they where more mod!!

oh stop your fretting for fexsake... people who actually read your posts will realize that you're actually pretty helpful most of the time. just be thankful that the 'negative karma' icon isn't a steaming pile of dog shit, like i wanted.

snakebite, I like you. I appreciate your candid communication. I think your culture has to do with it, and probably also a bit of your rebel/maverick attitude.

I'm a bit like you, definitely culture-formed, and also with a bit of maverick DNA. I paid for it when I came to America, where people are nice to your face but may stab you in the back. Okay, not all of them, but if you are candid and open to them, calling a spade a spade, you pay for it. And don't expect the same openness from them (ouch, that'll earn me some demerits, you watch*).

That said, and pointing out that this is mainly a US-American forum, you just have to live with it. I shamefully admit that I have americanized to a certain degree, which is why I managed somehow to "earn" a small positive karma balance here. Gauging my contributions, and looking at my tone with my cultural background, I should be at +4.5. Hence my new avatar

*Edit: Wow. I quietly withdraw my negative suspicion.

Genie, looks like you have the perfect pair -- of mods -- right now.

Better quit being helpful or your cups will runneth over.

i noticed that i think i'm gonna change my avatar pic now

Hey Windbreaker. I gave you thumbs up for this one on the merits of your avatar alone.

Let's see what I have...? Ah??? boooooooo!

As you said Genie, just be glad they're not steaming piles of shit.

wheres my targets?. Im fucking great!

heh, lovin' your work, Bobo!

I have 6 weeks of vacation left, now I have something to aspire to...

Ahem. Quite right.

There's probably technical limitations on making the shit small enough to fit, short of getting a graphic designer in, and that seems a bit OTT.

so you don't think this could be shrunk small enough and still be recognizable? damn.

windbreaker, as the resident anthropologist, I hereby give you an "A+" for your cultural analysis. And maybe even a thumbs-up. 8)

snakebite, maybe you need a kinder & gentler screen name if you wanna bring on the love.

Sometimes those who have 'negative karma' are some of the most 'on the button' people here.

There are some sensitive folk about, that's all I'll say. This is 'just' a web-forum, right?

No jim, its a battle for love, honour, the respect of your peers, and eating the people you hate.

Modern Vespa - The Norse Saga

Otto indeed.

Meh. 95% of your negative karma comes entirely from one shithead user who is intent on using the karma system for his own personal vendettas, for reasons known only to him. I'm plotting some fixes for that particular problem, at which point your karma should be at or near neutral.

As for the karma system itself, and why we have it: I could be an asshole and throw out all the bums who I personally dislike, but then I'd just be living down to expectations. Much better to have something tangible to point to, like a preponderance of votes indicating that everyone else wants to throw out the bums as well. Think of it as a bit of democracy in this otherwise dictatorial forum. As soon as I can manage to deal with the people stuffing the ballot boxes, we might just have a workable system.

Jim, I know you're worried that all those positive mod targets are undermining your cred as a grumpy old git.

So c'mon, people, give Jim some negative karma-- he's begging for it.

That's more like it.

It should be used to rate a topic or a helpful responce to a post, I see it as a good thing, it will help keep theads from Hijacking and rude responces. It will weed out the negitves.

maybe one member's right to alot karma should be revoked.


Regards
Harvey

Yep. Just finished the modifications to allow that to happen. I'm about to flip the switch, but I still have to clean up the mess and figure out what to do with all the extra "votes".

Maybe just stylize this? Not exactly from a dog, but still warm, if that helps...

Great idea.

while you are at it Mr Jess, can you set it up so that only positives are registered on mine, I'm sensitive and I;d like to stay that way. By the way, are you not just a little embarressed, about the 4 1/2 you have , and did you hear the one about the emperor's targets . Ah hell, give me all those extra votes, I would hate to see them sitting by themselves unused in a corner lonely and rejected.

hey look at that I got a ony half a negative Yahhoooo!! I will enjoy that for the next two minutes.

I don;t think I can change my screen name but I added one hopping this brings on more love............

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I just have one big one.

Yes, as a matter of fact I am. My own karma ratings are way too high, and every time I make an announcement about the karma system, they get higher. Seriously. It's embarrassing. I can't exactly go mucking about with my own score, though, as it would open me up to criticism about tampering. I can't exactly opt myself out of the same karma system I'm subjecting everyone else to, either, as that would be equally unfair and open myself up to even *more* criticism. In short, I can't win here. So go ahead and slag me for having too high of a score. I deserve it.

In setting the scale between raw votes and number of targets, I wanted to make getting a half or a whole (or more) targets fairly achievable for a good number of users. Applying that scale to my own karma, though, would give me a solid five targets with lots left over, which would just be throwing gasoline on the fire. I compromised by setting the scale so that I only had four stars, but then I gained another half target when I announced the new karma indicators.

I can't win.

Fine, if you insist...

I meant verbally...

That was the old jimc. He's become quite civilized.

I still fester, snarling in my rat-hole. I actually find it quite fun 'treading daintly' here.

I have an intolerance to bull-shitters and those who spread FUD. I won't apologise for that, either, for everyone's sake.

I must reluctantly agree with you on that point, Jim. We may express ourselves differently in this regard, but we essentially agree.

Snakebite, some of us appreciate what you bring to the forum (I especially enjoy your signature line). It's refreshing to hear a different opinion.

I mean really who doesn't love a good snakelick. If you're into that kind of thing.