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Re: Karma Adjustments and Ballot Stuffing
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TB wrote:
By way how did they do it...can you post a step by step and perhaps post in on Wiki???? Laughing emoticon
Sure, no problem.

Step 1: Spend all day in front of your computer
Step 2: Since you can only rate any given user once per hour, look up their post history on the hour, every hour, and find a post you haven't rated yet. Rate it negative.
Step 3: To hide your own negative bias, find someone who you can pile positive votes on. Look up their post history on the hour, every hour, and find a post of theirs you haven't rated yet. Rate it positive.
Step 4: To hide your own negative ratings given by others, create a phantom account. Look up the post history of your main account on the hour, every hour, and find a post of yours that your phantom account hasn't rated yet. Rate it positive.
Step 5: Repeat steps 1 through 4, day in and day out.
Wouldn't it be better to just allow a user to rate another user only once rather than on each post? Another option might be to automatically look wrong doing and simply ignore all votes by that person while at the same time reducing that user's karma.

If it's just MySQL then I can offer a hand writing the SQL code.
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'How's' my spelling Razz emoticon
Actually, that would be "How's my spelling?"
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If only we could get Jess to sort out Iran.
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Re: Karma Adjustments and Ballot Stuffing
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Wouldn't it be better to just allow a user to rate another user only once rather than on each post?
We're really trying to put the focus of the ratings on the post, not the user. The idea is that we're making an analysis of the usefulness of the post, in the hopes that we can use that information down the road to improve search results. If we limited it to one vote per user per user, we would quickly exhaust all the votes and have very little information to work with.
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If only we could get Jess to sort out Iran.
I'm working on some code for that, too.
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Re: Karma Adjustments and Ballot Stuffing
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mike_bike_kite wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to just allow a user to rate another user only once rather than on each post?
We're really trying to put the focus of the ratings on the post, not the user. The idea is that we're making an analysis of the usefulness of the post, in the hopes that we can use that information down the road to improve search results. If we limited it to one vote per user per user, we would quickly exhaust all the votes and have very little information to work with.
Then just do both with something like this pseudo code:
for each person
     karma = 0
     for each user that voted for that person (+ or -)
            add up total karma by this user for person
            if total > 0 then ++karma
            if total < 0 then --karma
Obviously you'd want to do the above in a single update rather than looping round. You could still use the post karma for searching. I think you'll just end up with a lot of posts that give people a warm glow rather than the technically relevant posts. How about a technically useful button then?
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TheO.Z. wrote:
L from Jersey wrote:
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Oh well, whatever. Cant care too much about people doing weird things.
Great attitude, really
8)
for the life of me I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
Nah... note the smiley
The folks involved have every right to be upset,
but why would most people care?

I thought your post was healthy & refreshing
and I gave it a thumbs up

The anonymous nature of the karma rating system bothers me,
so often when I give people a rating, I'll add a post about why

But posting that I've just rated someone would invite the ratee to to return the favor, so I haven't been doing that...
Although now that I see people advertising for karma,
that may change
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I think the idea of a public rating system can have the subtle effect of influencing post content and even posting numbers. It may cut down on fluff posts and probably make folks think twice before hitting submit. Good or bad? Who knows. I believe the days of spontaneity in posting are limited.

This is reminiscent of my 8th grade year in Catholic School, where we had to accumulate "citizenship" points to graduate, in addition to state scholastic requirements.

There was a big chart on the wall that had every student listed and a line next to each name. Whenever a student did some kiss-ass thing in class, he or she would get a gold star sticker on the line

I must confess that I was not a collector of many stars. (Gee, do ya think?)

There was a girl in my class that I had the absolute hots for. One day, she spilled a bottle of purple ink on the floor. The nun went ballistic, because ours was the newest classroom and the floor tile was a pale green and her pride and joy. I jumped out of my desk and grabbed a bunch of paper towels. Down on hands and knees I went sopping up the purple ink which ended up in a smeary mess both on the floor and me.

After the mess was cleaned up, the nun walked over to the score board and announced that she was taking stars away from the girl and giving them to me. She took her talon-like thumbnail and, in a swift right to left move, peeled off the whole row of stars next to the girl's name, and handed them to me to count, out loud. Then, she put the same number of stars next to my name. To the victors go the spoils, I guess.

Every day I would look at that chart and see my ill-gotten gains. Those stars represented the slim chance I would ever have of getting close to the girl of my dreams.

So, I earned a few stars without real merit. I was helping someone I cared about and was rewarded at her expense. Not enough to graduate, because, come school year end, I had to paint the convent in order to fill up my star line. How friggin illegal that was is astounding, but they could get away with stuff like that in the 50's. It made me who I am today.Clown emoticon

Sorry for the rant. Maybe it will get me half a target. Nerd emoticon
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I don't think it will greatly affect the number of posts most people make. Everytime there has been an announcement about the Karma system, there has been an uptick in the use of the Karma system. Once the ballyhoo dies down so does the voting and behaviour then returns to what it always has been. Yes the targets will give a reminder that the Karma system exists, but I really don't think it will affect volume of posts.
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Benito wrote:
I don't think it will greatly affect the number of posts most people make. Everytime there has been an announcement about the Karma system, there has been an uptick in the use of the Karma system. Once the ballyhoo dies down so does the voting and behaviour then returns to what it always has been. Yes the targets will give a reminder that the Karma system exists, but I really don't think it will affect volume of posts.
Also, I don't think the presence of the rating system will cut down on fluff. Fluff posts aren't getting rated badly. I think it will definitely cut down on obnoxiousness, though. My hunch is that it has already greatly reduced the number of politically-oriented posts, where someone blames [_______] on [_______].

And that alone makes it worth it, to me.
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Benito wrote:
I don't think it will greatly affect the number of posts most people make. Everytime there has been an announcement about the Karma system, there has been an uptick in the use of the Karma system. Once the ballyhoo dies down so does the voting and behaviour then returns to what it always has been. Yes the targets will give a reminder that the Karma system exists, but I really don't think it will affect volume of posts.
Also, I don't think the presence of the rating system will cut down on fluff. Fluff posts aren't getting rated badly. I think it will definitely cut down on obnoxiousness, though. My hunch is that it has already greatly reduced the number of politically-oriented posts, where someone blames [_______] on [_______].

And that alone makes it worth it, to me.
I blame Calvin Coolidge for everything.
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I blame Calvin Coolidge for everything.
He's history's greatest monster!
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Crap! Earlier today I had half a target. Now it's gone. I must have pissed someone off.
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JLB wrote:
I blame Calvin Coolidge for everything.
He's history's greatest monster!
Hey Man Coolidge was from Vermont
and they say "I'm a vermonter I do what I wanner"
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Hey NIGHTWING i think i stole your half Another half and i'll have a very nice set of targets
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Hey NIGHTWING i think i stole your half Another half and i'll have a very nice set of targets
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Judy, you do deserve it!
(Although it's kinda humorous how quickly the karma list is changing now that everyone's voting)
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L i know there are targets coming and going everywhere Makes me wish i had paid more attention to my archery instructor in high school
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I think the idea of a public rating system can have the subtle effect of influencing post content and even posting numbers. It may cut down on fluff posts and probably make folks think twice before hitting submit. Good or bad? Who knows. I believe the days of spontaneity in posting are limited.

This is reminiscent of my 8th grade year in Catholic School, where we had to accumulate "citizenship" points to graduate, in addition to state scholastic requirements [....]

Sorry for the rant. Maybe it will get me half a target. Nerd emoticon
Loved your poignant story-- Gave it a thumbs up! 8)

--Deborah
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NightWing wrote:
I think the idea of a public rating system can have the subtle effect of influencing post content and even posting numbers. It may cut down on fluff posts and probably make folks think twice before hitting submit. Good or bad? Who knows. I believe the days of spontaneity in posting are limited.

This is reminiscent of my 8th grade year in Catholic School, where we had to accumulate "citizenship" points to graduate, in addition to state scholastic requirements [....]

Sorry for the rant. Maybe it will get me half a target. Nerd emoticon
Loved your poignant story-- Gave it a thumbs up! 8)

--Deborah
And now my half target is back up. I am truly on the cutting edge.

Thank you.
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NightWing wrote:
pdxvespa wrote:
NightWing wrote:
This is reminiscent of my 8th grade year in Catholic School, where we had to accumulate "citizenship" points to graduate, in addition to state scholastic requirements [....]

Sorry for the rant. Maybe it will get me half a target. Nerd emoticon
Loved your poignant story-- Gave it a thumbs up! 8)

--Deborah
And now my half target is back up. I am truly on the cutting edge.

Thank you.
Ask and ye shall receive--

Cheers, --Deborah
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L i know there are targets coming and going everywhere Makes me wish i had paid more attention to my archery instructor in high school
Archery in high school? That school district must have not hired any lawyers yet.
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UMMGOODI was a child of the 60's My dad even had custom guns made for me so i could target and skeet shoot at 10 yrs old I had all kinds of courses on how to use etc. Since my dad was 6"'6" his mere presence invoked authority i obeyed and was never careless. Today i'd probably be in a foster home Times were different back then, my mom stayed at home and i obeyed the rules. Small school i think we had a little over 50 kids in my class and we were the largest class
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who the hell is Calvin Coolridge
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who the hell is Calvin Coolridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge
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jess wrote:
Benito wrote:
I don't think it will greatly affect the number of posts most people make. Everytime there has been an announcement about the Karma system, there has been an uptick in the use of the Karma system. Once the ballyhoo dies down so does the voting and behaviour then returns to what it always has been. Yes the targets will give a reminder that the Karma system exists, but I really don't think it will affect volume of posts.
Also, I don't think the presence of the rating system will cut down on fluff. Fluff posts aren't getting rated badly. I think it will definitely cut down on obnoxiousness, though. My hunch is that it has already greatly reduced the number of politically-oriented posts, where someone blames [_______] on [_______].

And that alone makes it worth it, to me.
+1
I don' t feel as intimidated to post something now. I also see I have 1/2 a target!
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Nightwing, just resurrect some of your old poem posts, your Karma will go over the top.
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Nightwing, just resurrect some of your old poem posts, your Karma will go over the top.
It would definitely change....
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The Boss is sly, just like a ferret
To keep us in line, he dangled a carrot

A target so round, we proudly display
But only if we, have nice things to say

Should we say something, other than fine
The target will go, I know they grabbed mine

So kiss up some ass and suck up some more
And surely you'll be, a cheap target whore

But if you should want, a red circle slash
Tell Boss to shove targets, straight up his ass



by request
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Bravo! Nightwing
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snakebike wrote:
who the hell is Calvin Coolridge
A dead politician that you can blame things on without actually getting political.
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NightWing wrote:
The Boss is sly, just like a ferret
To keep us in line, he dangled a carrot

A target so round, we proudly display
But only if we, have nice things to say

Should we say something, other than fine
The target will go, I know they grabbed mine

So kiss up some ass and suck up some more
And surely you'll be, a cheap target whore

But if you should want, a red circle slash
Tell Boss to shove targets, straight up his ass



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Ouch, I said resurrect not disrespect.
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All this Chrome and I can't BUY a Mod target....

I figure That my posts are
25% wise cracks or tongue in cheek.
15% good old fashioned Humor and / or Poetic
55% Helpful, intelligent, well written, insightful,valued contributions
05%Deleted before being submitted , rather than reaching through the computer and virtually slapping the stupid off of the OP face.

and 99% gramatically correct, speld rite to!
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I'm passing out the good karma today. Who wants some?
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NightWing wrote:
The Boss is sly, just like a ferret
To keep us in line, he dangled a carrot

A target so round, we proudly display
But only if we, have nice things to say
Laughing emoticon
Gotta watch what you wish for
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NightWing wrote:
genie wrote:
'How's' my spelling Razz emoticon
Actually, that would be "How's my spelling?"
If I'm not mistaken, I think Genie's single-quote punctuation is correct for UK English.  (But yeah, it looks wrong to me, too.)

On a far less important note, I really like the karma system, and cheers for confounding the ballot stuffers! 

A grammar-nerdery outburst.  And I was so close to positive karma...
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lostboy wrote:
NightWing wrote:
genie wrote:
'How's' my spelling Razz emoticon
Actually, that would be "How's my spelling?"
If I'm not mistaken, I think Genie's single-quote punctuation is correct for UK English.  (But yeah, it looks wrong to me, too.)

On a far less important note, I really like the karma system, and cheers for confounding the ballot stuffers! 

A grammar-nerdery outburst.  And I was so close to positive karma...
And it also needed a question mark. Nerd emoticon
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NightWing wrote:
lostboy wrote:
NightWing wrote:
genie wrote:
'How's' my spelling Razz emoticon
Actually, that would be "How's my spelling?"
If I'm not mistaken, I think Genie's single-quote punctuation is correct for UK English.  (But yeah, it looks wrong to me, too.)

On a far less important note, I really like the karma system, and cheers for confounding the ballot stuffers! 

A grammar-nerdery outburst.  And I was so close to positive karma...
And it also needed a question mark. Nerd emoticon
not if she is making a comment,which she is with the emoticon Nerd emoticon

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