Modern Vespa

So i just acquired a silver side scratched 2006 LX150 Vespa in Phoenix AZ on craigslist couple weeks ago, i brought it up to Colorado, did get pulled over once speeding ( in my truck scoot in back) and had an opportunity to ask the state patrol to run the vin and all was well. came with keys didn't look stolen but now im wondering after i lost the keys if it might be, im having all these immobilizing issues. so im on the good karma run.

Never got other keys with it "RED GOD KEY" i never knew these were so high tec ( just so everyone knows i traded this to use it for Burning man never wanted to street register it "RATROD/alien vehicle burning man" there is a frame vin number that i found.

here it is ZAPM448FX65003522 ( im oldschool not much of a modern vespa guy might be tho as i bought a salvage super killer deal 2006 gt200 so im slowly getting educated on it.

How do i find out if this Vespa is clean or bogus ( im all about getting it back to the original owner and can probably help track down the cracker that traded me this, let the cops take it from there, not much of a lose to me as it was $300 barter value trade if that, not drugs folks, barter craigslist).

if it is clean i might just take some pieces to fix up my new scoot, dont have time to bond for title nor am i willing to drop anymore cash on this scoot.i dont want new owner to have problems if i sell it and have this become a chain reaction as i know how cops love to hit 5 birds with one stone.


Ok i know im a virgin here but lets say this is OK everything is dandy whom can i call or talk to on here to toss the immobilizer unit and get this thing started? it did run till the key was lost hell it might tunr up but for the time being I AM NOT INVESTING HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS for keys it will be a burner solar vehicle .

ive dissected this very minimally put a loop in the ignition lights up blah blah blah turns over but not running obviously the immobilizing unit. unplugged it still the same keeps turning over but wont start.


ANYWAYS FIRST THINGS FIRST Karma time!

heads up answer for any smart ass responses out there, i can be that guy chop it hack it toss all vins and no one could have a clue but im allowing this as im a scooterist and i would be piiiiisssed to bitter hell if someone stole my scoot!)

i dont have a digital handy and there is no markings making this a stand outish scoot for original owner recognition. so its a plain ol lx150 vespa silver exhaust side gently scratched came from the phoenix area which is vast.

If it is clean and i cant figure out the immobilizing unit WHO IN COLORADO wants to buy it for super cheap!

to all na zdrowie!

Well I don't know about finding out if its stolen....

But, from my understanding, without the red MASTER KEY you're SOL. The master key contains the circuitry to program the RFID tag in the new keys. The ignition is controlled by a computer and can only be "unlocked" by a key with a correctly programmed RFID tag.

Your post is a bit confusing. You bought a scooter that came with keys. Not sure if you got the red key, the way you have written it.

A police officer checked the VIN and it was clear...indicating that it hadn't been reported stolen.

You lost the keys and now are wondering if the scooter was stolen. Why? Because the immobilizer is functioning as it should?

Asking how to bypass the immobilizer (if it was even possible) is like asking how to steal any Vespa so equipped and be able to run it. I don't think anyone here will help with that.

There is a stolen scooter registry on www.scoot.net, fyi, and for those who might run across this thread in the future if searching for stolen scoot info...

from all the forum feedbacks seems like the keys are sacred! since i didnt know that these came with 1ooo keys and security chips WOW. im wondering whats the next step without spending money? my ducati doesn't have keys like that! these vespas have come a long way! SO yes bluntly speaking how do i hack it if all is well. Things get stolen and they do get slipped the cracks. JURISDICTIONS

helpful thank you!

According to Carfax...

the number is right in front of the battery on the frame is that even the vin?

from pics ive seen on ebay posts there is a vin plate below the steering colum but there is no plate here. is there other ways to identify this scoot ?

engine number?

thank you for the help

sorry if the post is confusing!

Just tried my own VIN straight from my purchase contract - no worky.

Methinks Carfax ≠ Motorcyclefax

...and nothing came up on craigslist either.

this website rocks, you guys rock! very awesome that the feedback is so quick, ive looked and looked. nadda either. no title no extra keys nadda on carfax nothing hell this might be a honest deal.

well if i dont find nothing i guess weird science will become a reality on this scoot. and ill figure it out if no one helps me hacking the immobilizing unit.

worst case scenario DENVER AREA SCOOTERIST THIS WILL BE FOR SALE PARTS I GUESS, get some money back..

christ im honest in this day an age we all have barcodes on our forheads so thieves good luck.

i want to rally this thing at burning man!

again thank you for the help guys!

Welcome.

I entered the VIN# of my stolen ET4 and Carfax came up with a result.

Funny thing, though: In previous years (the scoot was stolen in early 2004) the result would be a warning that the vehicle had been reported stolen.

Today, Carfax only reported that there were two records for that VIN#. Hmmmm. I wonder what that means?

HOLLY SMOKES there is some very nice CUSTOM vespa that get stolen on scoot.net never noticed the stolen post on there as i always search classifieds.

who in their rightous azz would ever drive a stolen custom LOOK AT ME custom vespa. mine is pretty evil i cant see how someone would steal it. they would kill themselves on it if they tried.

me thinks inside jobs on alot of them fellow Vespa-neers stealing from each other bummmmmmeeeerrrr. custom usually shows up so good luck to them.

wicked well youve learned something and so have i, the number that i gave is that the vin?? old records can creep up thats what im trying to dodge.

New CDI and lockset or break for parts. Those are your two alternatives.

For USD300 someone else may be willing to spend the money and time on it to get it going again if you don't have the inclination.

Or just find the key, and get jimh to clone it for you so you have a spare at least...

im searching for that key man oh man i am, heres a question for you lets say i find the key .

ive disconnected on and off the immobilizer messed with the cdi then put everything back to par did it reset anything? so if i did find that key would it even matter once everything is plugged back up? wondering for future if i ever get a salvage Vespa NOT TO MESS WITH IT TILL THE KEYS TURN UP?

I'm not sure what I've really leaned yet.

Yes, that number you have is the VIN#. I compared it the the numbers on my scooters (past and present) and It has the right number of characters. The thing you may want to double check is the "X."
My scooters have a number there, not a letter.

The scoot.net site never removes their stolen scooter listings. In fact, whenever I search the VIN# of my stolen scooter, their site comes up right away with the report I wrote. I listed my scooter as stolen there then very night it went missing 5 years ago.

You shouldn't have messed anything up - but barring some tricky digital stuff with some inside knowledge (which I don't have) the immobiliser is not crackable. The key won't have vanished, it'll be lurking in the lining of a jacket somewhere, and *if* you find it it can be cloned without drama.

However should the immobiliser lose its towel and 'forget' that key's RFID, then a new immobiliser/CDI (and lockset) will be necessary.

you rock! been keeping an eye on some other postings thank you for being ontop of it for everyone! people like you make this websites happen! thanks to everyone! very nice warm welcome to MODERN VESPA .com

dziekuje!

Just a little advise for the future.

Any time you purchase a used vehicle or boat:

1. Make sure the paperwork matches the VIN #
2. Make sure the Owner shows you I.D. that matches the paperwork
3. Call the DMV on the spot and tell them you are purchasing a vehicle and would like them to check to see if a) there's no lien on the title b)the info on the paperwork matches what they have on record.

I was going to buy a wave runner one time and the guy told me he had the paperwork at his office. So I said fine I'll buy it when you give me the info. So he calls me later in the day and gives me a VIN#. I called the DMV and they did a check. It didn't come up as a valid VIN. I called the guy back and he gave me the real VIN# so I called DMV and they told me it had a lien on it. Needless to say I didn't bother even calling the guy back so he calls me and left a couple of messages saying I screwed him. This guy was on drugs!!!

Yes there is more and more crackers out there that arent to bright or at least the demons lurking to screw you especially with the economy people stealing from the their grandmas.

I had no intention of getting this guy registered as i had the key and was never going to put it on the road. Now since the keys vanished im looking for diff options. Looks like im honing in on some info soon to on getting this guy started for FREE, there has to be a way besides buying a new CDI Malossi or generic CDI there has to be!

im still digging threw this forum as i thought i saw it posted somewhere. worst case scenario it will be parted/sold.


Lastly this is a great website i haven't dug deep but MODERATOR why not make a lost and found forum on here as the scoot.net is pretty old school which is great but this is more lively on replies!

plus it will attract more ninja teams on helping find scoots. thanks again guys for everything

oh one more thing the gts200 grand turismo i got a brown key not the GODLY RED one that everybody is talking about is there diff colors for diff models on keys?

I have Black one:
which looks like a diff cut have no clue where it goes i have a custom corbin seat so no key whole (previous owner put some high end stuff on here total wire manipulation as theres some high end CDIs and maybe governor is taken off?)

I have the blue one:
which starts the bike

I have a thick brown plastic one:
which is my definition the RED master AKA "GODLY KEY"

also got a plastic credit card looking thing that from the sounds of it is pointless in the USA.


VIVA VESPA

The thick brown key is the red key...maybe in a certain light I guess...but it's the red key. My red key looks more brown than red, too.

The credit card thingy is a code card. If you read the back, it will tell you that you have to keep this card with your master/red key because...Ummm...I don't know why because.

I'm sure some else here does though.

The code card has the cutting information on it.

The credit card is a coding of the physical cuts in the keys, but without a recognized chip in the key you're SOL. If you have either a working red/brown or blue key there are ways to have duplicates made.

Regards
Harvey

It's often called the 'Red' key because in some manuals some idiot translated the Italian 'marrone' (brown, as in chestnut) as 'red'. This could be because 'maroon' in English translates to 'rosso bordeaux' (bordeaux red), a red that has a tinge of brown to it.