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Hello everyone!

Just wanted to register and say hello after lurking for some time. This forum has proven very helpful over the last few weeks, and confirmed my wife's decision to purchase a new MP3 400 a week or so ago.

She's really loving the MP3 so far, and has been practicing in an old abandoned Wal-Mart parking lot. We have confirmed that the local MSF instructor will allow her to use the MP3 during the MSF course, and we're filling out the paperwork now. I can't begin to tell you how excited she is, and how proud I am of her! This is her first motorized bike of any kind, and she is doing absolutely FANTASTIC on the MP3!

Here's a few pics we grabbed this Saturday:

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Welcome!


Welcome to the forums!
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Can't see her grin behind the helmet. Good job on the gear too.

(Wow, an abandoned Walmart in TN, the economy really is bad.)

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Can't see her grin behind the helmet. Good job on the gear too.

(Wow, an abandoned Walmart in TN, the economy really is bad.)

Mike
No worries about Wal-Mart - we have an abandoned one because they felt the need to build an even bigger one about 1/2 mile up the road. Not a Wal-Mart fan, personally.

We're both firm believers in Toreador Pants - All The Gear, All The Time. Not visible in the pics is the kevlar Draggin' Liners under her blue jeans with the knee and hip armor. We never go anywhere without gearing up.

Oh, and I bet you can see the smile through the helmet in this pic!

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Very cool, Bsumpter. So when are you gonna get one? :D
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Very cool, Bsumpter. So when are you gonna get one?
LOL - I must admit it is tempting. This is the first scooter I've ever ridden, and I am seriously impressed with the MP3. The 400 has plenty of power for touring, and the grip the unique front end offers is nothing short of astounding.

For the moment I'll just have to borrow hers if I get the urge. So just how many bikes is too many? Do you call it good when you can no longer fit them all in the garage? Or does that just mean it's time for a bigger garage?
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Can sure see that grin, and know full well it happens to so many new owners! Welcome!
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Re: The Wife's New MP3 400
bsumpter wrote:
Hello everyone!

She's really loving the MP3 so far, and has been practicing in an old abandoned Wal-Mart parking lot. We have confirmed that the local MSF instructor will allow her to use the MP3 during the MSF course, and we're filling out the paperwork now. I can't begin to tell you how excited she is, and how proud I am of her! This is her first motorized bike of any kind, and she is doing absolutely FANTASTIC on the MP3!
bsumpter and wife,

Welcome to the forum and good on both of you for getting her into the MSF course. However, it looks like she is handling that heavy beast pretty well already! If you are not aware, there is an MFS Position Paper Regarding Suitability Of Piaggio MP3 Scooters For Use In Motorcycle Training Courses And Operator Licensing Testing. I suggest that you download it, print it and have her give it to the instructor so that he/she will be aware of these guidelines. The MP3 if fully capable of negotiating every phase of the skills evaluation within the normal guidlines, but, because of the two front wheels, MSF relaxes the scoring criterion just a bit to take the wider front end into consideration.

Oh.....one other thing. She should get her a good chain and lock so that you won't be sneaking off on her bike!! Because you are going to want to, A LOT!

Congratulations and welcome aboard.
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Welcome to you and your wife. I used to go up your way a good bit, my baby sister went to Tusculum. If memory serves, you should have some pretty riding up that way. Enjoy!
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Sorry mate but Piaggio is not responsible if your wife takes off on her new ride leaving you behind for days at a time.

Hey tell your wife,Congrats!
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Welcome to you both. It looks like she has made all the right moves!!! Good bike (of course we are biased), good gear, great place to practice, the upcoming MSF course and last but not least a supportive spouse.

Again welcome and enjoy.

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HOORAY.....yet another female MP3 rider on forum! Clap emoticon Welcome new girly friend.....You're lookin real good sitting on that misty colored looking machine...keep those eyes up...one never knows who one will see on the road (perhaps one of us?)
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Congratulations on a great ride and company on your travels. I think I see the grin in even the first set of pictures. Be careful, using steel poles for the weave can be unforgiving.

Now if I could just get my wife to show an interest.....

Oh, and if all the bikes don't fit in the garage the new Walmart has covers for the ones that must sleep outside.
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congrats, I especially like the color. Is it silver or some other shade?
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First off congrats on the new bike! I bought mine a few months back, but have only put 29 miles on it so far. I am taking the beginner course myself this weekend here in sunny Sacramento, California. I wish I could use my 500 since I am not coordinated in any way. But hey if they let you use it more power to ya!
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Hey, I recognize those pictures from ADV rider. I just joined this forum too.
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Well....welcome to You too cbolling! I'm sure your love affair with your new scoot will last till......................................................................................................
Hmmmmm.......maybe you Don't have a new scoot. Maybe, you'd like to buy one Laughing emoticon Go For It!
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... However, it looks like she is handling that heavy beast pretty well already! If you are not aware, there is an MFS Position Paper Regarding Suitability Of Piaggio MP3 Scooters For Use In Motorcycle Training Courses And Operator Licensing Testing. I suggest that you download it, print it and have her give it to the instructor so that he/she will be aware of these guidelines. The MP3 if fully capable of negotiating every phase of the skills evaluation within the normal guidlines, but, because of the two front wheels, MSF relaxes the scoring criterion just a bit to take the wider front end into consideration.
Thank you so much for the position paper, EdInBTR! I had been to the MSF website, but did not see that one. I have already printed it out and it is ready to go with her to the course. Thank you for the words of encouragement as well - it really meant a lot to her to hear that from a rider coach. She's not real sure what to expect at the course, and I've not taken it yet either so I'm not much help in that regard. Don't worry though - I'm scheduling mine for the weekend after hers.
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Welcome to you and your wife. I used to go up your way a good bit, my baby sister went to Tusculum. If memory serves, you should have some pretty riding up that way. Enjoy!
It's certainly a small world! There is indeed quite a bit of great riding in this area. Tusculum is a beautiful community and we enjoy riding through there. We actually ride through there every time we go to the parking lot for her to practice!
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... Be careful, using steel poles for the weave can be unforgiving...
Tell me about it! Scared me to death the first time she made a run through the poles, and I had no idea she was going to do it! I loosened up after she buzzed through them for about the 5th or 6th time and finally came to realize that she was getting really good really fast on the new bike. But I've asked her to please wait until we can get some cones before she practices weaving anymore - it would be easier on my nerves.
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congrats, I especially like the color. Is it silver or some other shade?
It is a metallic silver color. Its amazing how close it is to the color of my V-Strom, and how similar the front lights look on both machines.
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... I am taking the beginner course myself this weekend here in sunny Sacramento, California. I wish I could use my 500 since I am not coordinated in any way. But hey if they let you use it more power to ya!
Do they not let you use the MP3 for the course in CA? The position paper linked by EdInBTR above is loaded with information about using the MP3 for the BRC. Maybe it could help?
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Hey, I recognize those pictures from ADV rider. I just joined this forum too.
Heya Cbolling! Nice to see another ADV person here. And yep - I posted these pics over there too. I'm just a wee bit proud of her - hope it's not too obvious!

And a big THANK YOU to everyone here for the warm welcome! My wife is following the thread and is touched by the support here (as am I). I'm encouraging her to create her own account here, so hopefully she'll pop in and say hello soon.

Now off to the garage with the wife to sit on our bikes and make motorcycle noises.
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Thank you so much for the position paper, EdInBTR! I had been to the MSF website, but did not see that one. I have already printed it out and it is ready to go with her to the course. Thank you for the words of encouragement as well - it really meant a lot to her to hear that from a rider coach. She's not real sure what to expect at the course, and I've not taken it yet either so I'm not much help in that regard. Don't worry though - I'm scheduling mine for the weekend after hers.
My pleasure. Things can be kind of hard to find on the MSF website sometimes, even for those of us that have access to the RiderCoach areas.

As far as what to expect, expect to learn a lot and have a lot of fun in a low risk, high motivation environment. There will be students in the class from all backgrounds and levels of experience and inexperience. We literally start off the class with "This is a motorcycle/scooter". Our assumption is that no one in the class has ever even seen one, much less ridden one, and then move on from there.

It sounds as if you are somewhat of an experienced rider, but trust me, you will also learn a lot and probably also find some better ways to do things that you have been doing, or not doing. Congratulations on getting yourself signed up for the class. I am sure we would all like to hear your opinion after you have completed it, along with your wife's opinion as well.

With regard to using one's own bike in the MSF classes, it varies depending on the program director's guidelines and the state in which the class is being held. For example, here in Louisiana, and yes, because our government is based on the Napoleonic Code, we do things just a bit different here, in order to use your own bike in our class, you must have a motorcycle endorsement, your bike must have an inspection sticker, you must have proof of insurance and the engine can not exceed 550cc. Seems kinda stupid that you have to have the endorsement in order to take the class, part of the object of which is to get the endorsement, but those are the rules here.

You and your wife may also want to consider paying the extra fee and riding the class bikes because 1) she will learn how to shift a manual motorcycle, 2) if you or she should drop the bike, it doesn't happen often, but it does happen, you will be dropping their bike and not yours, and, as many on here can attest, the pretty shiny plastic pieces on the MP3 are not cheap, and I am sure that holds equally true for the V-Strom as well, and 3) most schools use small displacement, light weight motorcycles like Honda Rebels/Nighthawks, Kawasaki Ninja 250s, Buell Blasts, etc., which, because of their light weight and shorter wheel base, make accomplishing the various range exercises easier.

If she chooses to ride the MP3 in the class and the RiderCoach is not a scooterists, here is a tip. One of the things that will be talked about a lot is "Clutch Control" and "The Friction Zone". Of course, the MP3 doesn't have a clutch in the conventional sense of the word. Having said that, she can create the same effect by rolling on enough throttle to just begin to engage the clutch and then control her speed using the rear brake. It is, by the way, exactly the same hand motions and motor skills that are used when riding a "proper motorcycle". You can tell when the clutch is beginning to engage on the MP3 by the shudder that you feel in the handlebars.

Here are the three biggest mistakes that people make when taking the MSF course.

1. Looking at the ground rather than keeping their head and eyes up.

2. Not turning their head and looking "through" the turn.

3. Not rolling on the throttle through the turn.

Have a lot of fun, bring plenty of water and stay hydrated, throw a hand full of protein bars, a ball cap, a hand towel, and sunscreen into the "pet carrier", and, if you have it, wear a 3/4 helmet for the course. Having said that, I DO NOT advocate wearing anything less than a full face modular on the street. Finally, a folding chair can be handy. They bungee quite easily to the pillion.
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Now off to the garage with the wife to sit on our bikes and make motorcycle noises.
Depending on the sense of humor of your RiderCoach, you may get to do some of that too! Clown emoticon I like to try and keep it light and hope that, along with learning a lot, everyone leaves having had a good time.,
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It sounds as if you are somewhat of an experienced rider, but trust me, you will also learn a lot and probably also find some better ways to do things that you have been doing, or not doing.
My thoughts exactly, which is why I decided to take the basic course as well. I've been riding for 32 years now, with most of that experience in the dirt. I have roughly 10 years of street experience but not a ton of mileage - around 20k or so if I had to guess. I'm thinking I could have bad habits that I don't even know I have, and some others I'm aware of that I could use practice on. Once I get through the BRC, I'm also planning on taking the ERC. I'm sure my wife will as well once she has a few thousand street miles under her belt.
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You and your wife may also want to consider paying the extra fee and riding the class bikes because 1) she will learn how to shift a manual motorcycle, 2) if you or she should drop the bike, it doesn't happen often, but it does happen, you will be dropping their bike and not yours, and, as many on here can attest, the pretty shiny plastic pieces on the MP3 are not cheap, and I am sure that holds equally true for the V-Strom as well, and 3) most schools use small displacement, light weight motorcycles like Honda Rebels/Nighthawks, Kawasaki Ninja 250s, Buell Blasts, etc., which, because of their light weight and shorter wheel base, make accomplishing the various range exercises easier.
She is pretty set on using her own bike in the class as she is pretty nervous about the clutch and shifting thing. She's also afraid she'll adapt to a clutch bike in the class and then have a difficult time going back to the automatic. We'll probably keep discussing this until we settle on the right course of action for her. As for me, I can go either way. I have a V-Strom and a little WR250X. The WR250X seems to be the better choice for the BRC as it is one of the most nimble bikes I've ever owned. But I'm not set on taking mine for my course - it could be fun to scoot around on some of the other bikes there.
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... if you have it, wear a 3/4 helmet for the course. Having said that, I DO NOT advocate wearing anything less than a full face modular on the street...
We don't have any 3/4 helmets - both of us have Shoei full-face helmets. Hers is the RF-1000, and I wear the Hornet DS. Is visibility the reason you mention 3/4 helmets?

Thanks again for all of the helpful information!
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Not so much the visibility as the heat.
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Not so much the visibility as the heat.
Gotcha, and makes perfect sense. It may be worth it to pick up a cheap 3/4 helmet just for this reason.
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I had over 3000 miles on my MP3 before I coud get into a basic course. Used their Honda for the course and learned the clutch which was no problem. Only problem was rememberig to use right foot on the brake. The MP3 is a much heavier bike and a lot to hold up if it starts to go down. Less likely to drop a lighter bike and if you do your bike isn't scratched.

The one thing harder on the MP3 is slow speed turns like the box. Practice that a bit before the course and how to use throttle and rear brake to control speed. I put Dr Pulley 15 gm sliders in my 400 and the slow speed throttle response is improved which does help.

In our course the instructor allowed visors to be left up for heat relief. That could vary. Also if you use your own bike expect to have a safety inspection done at the start. Shouldn't be a problem with a new ride, but 2 of 6 people didn't get to take my experienced course due to one loud pipes and one bald tires. No refunds.

There will be some boredom with some of the basic skills in the course, but it is good for anyone and worth it.

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