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Sakkerju, ask your dealer for the collared manifold. If you don't have that, your scooter wasn't 'repaired' and you are entitled to have it replaced.
I don't know how the original exhaust causes damage, but it does. This was posted July 24, 2009 by Wangta

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We arrived at Vespa Orem about 3 PM and met with Rick, the service manager. After taking care of a couple bikes that had arrived before me, he took a look at the exhaust and brake line and determined that the failure was indeed due to the exhaust gasket. First off, the bolt for the exhaust gasket was MISSING. Second, the graphite ring that seals the connection with the exhaust and the exhaust pipe was almost completely burned away. Third, my scooter did NOT have the recall kit gasket installed. The result was the exhaust gasket fumes escaped and burned the rear brake line – just as the recall was supposed to fix!
Good luck with it!

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Harvey wrote:
Sakkerju, ask your dealer for the collared manifold. If you don't have that, your scooter wasn't 'repaired' and you are entitled to have it replaced

Harvey
Thanks Harvey for your reply.

Today I was by one of the local Vespa dealers in my neighborhood. This recall action is apperantly not known (Netherlands) overhere...

Could it be that the whole recall thing is a country-market specific thing?
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Sakkerju wrote:
Harvey wrote:
Sakkerju, ask your dealer for the collared manifold. If you don't have that, your scooter wasn't 'repaired' and you are entitled to have it replaced

Harvey
Thanks Harvey for your reply.

Today I was by one of the local Vespa dealers in my neighborhood. This recall action is apperantly not known (Netherlands) overhere...

Could it be that the whole recall thing is a country-market specific thing?
I thought it was an international recall. Here's the part number you need (from the US recall bulletin):

"The update parts are available in kit form under part number 872659"

Good luck with it!

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Harvey wrote:
I thought it was an international recall. Here's the part number you need (from the US recall bulletin):

"The update parts are available in kit form under part number 872659"

Good luck with it!

Harvey
For now, I will just replace the gasket. I'll check for the 'collared' manifold at my Belgium dealer this autumn when she will have her routine maintenance.

Pictures of my current (officially replaced (!?)) manifold:
With the new gasket
With the new gasket
Bare naked
Bare naked
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Also RUST is an exhaust problem Razz emoticon
While it was off, I painted it with heat resistant MOTIP paint.
Have done the same on my LX and paint retains fairly well...
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trowel and cuffs wrote:
Where did you find this ??? My shop hasn't got this yet... at least the tech didn't know. I think i am gonna go this route. And recall the part for fixing. Thanks!
Woodenhead supplied me the full pdf, I'd happily share it. PM for pdf....
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JLB wrote:
Why have you had to remove your exhaust so many times? Is it because you are changing tires, or has your gasket failed multiple times?
Why have I removed it so many times?

Let's see, first to replace the exhaust gasket, obviously. Removed the exhaust.
Second, to change the gear box oil. Removed the exhaust.
Third, to check the rear brake pad thickness. Removed the exhaust.
Fourth, to replace the rear tire. Removed the exhaust.
Fifth, to check a metal drone sound that turned out to be a shield on the exhaust itself. Removed the exhaust.

In 4 years owning GTs, this happens a lot!
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The Scootin' Scott wrote:
Hey folks,

So I got my GTS back from the shop again today and rode it for about 3 hours on the interstate back to Augusta from Atlanta. The exhaust held up fine, and I didn't have any trouble keeping up with traffic, but there still seems to be a persistent buzzing/grinding vibration coming from the engine that has got me worried. Two mechanics at the shop rode the scooter around and said it felt normal, but I'm almost 100% sure that certain spots in the rev range and much less smooth than they used to be. It almost feels like the variator or clutch bell needs to be cleaned, but I just had the 6,000-mile service done about 200 miles ago, so those should be fine. Also, the engine was very smooth before the bike went into the shop for this last round of repairs.

Any ideas about what might be causing this?

Thanks,
Scott
I would blow out the transmission case with compressed air. Check your shock mounts (top & bottom) and engine/swing arm to frame mount in case they're binding.

Harvey
Harvey,

I checked the shock mounts (top and bottom, left and right) and they're fine--no overtightening, as far as I can tell, and there's definitely no metal-to-metal contact. I also blew out the transmission case after washing it with Brakleen--good tips--but I'm still getting vibration during acceleration and deceleration (only time it doesn't happen is when the compression cuts off after coasting for a while). Given that the mechanic had to take out the engine to have the broken stud removed, which was actually done by a machine shop, do you have any other ideas about what might be causing the grinding/buzzing?

I wouldn't mind leaving the scoot as-is, vibration and all, since it seems to be working just fine, but it makes my feet and rump tingle (sometimes unpleasantly) after every ride.

Thanks dude! You've been super-helpful so far.

Scott
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I asked Piaggio BeNeLux (Belgium-Netherlands-Luxemburg) about the GTS exhaust recall action in this region.
Received their answer today (translated):

The recall for the GTS250 as supplied in the Benelux contained only recommandations to CHECK and when neccesary REPLACE either exhaust clamp and/or gasket.

So apperantly no additonal replacement kit was avaialble for replacement.

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