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I mounted my HID ballast on the black 'screen' area just below where you mounted the ballast to the frame. That area is covered by the plastic 'trim'. I used 14 gauge copper wire to attach the ballast to the screen area.
Where I mounted the ballast for the HID lights.
Where I mounted the ballast for the HID lights.
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You do know at some point that wire will break? It's not a matter of if but when. Just like mounting something heavy with a tie wrap, at some point it will break or come loose.

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Re: mounting ballast
OhioJoe wrote:
I mounted my HID ballast on the black 'screen' area just below where you mounted the ballast to the frame. That area is covered by the plastic 'trim'. I used 14 gauge copper wire to attach the ballast to the screen area.
Do you see the white color on the ballast back thru the screen much? I was going to say if so,how about getting you a fine point black marker and simply color in each screen hole.Wala.

PS-If you have young kids,they would probably love coloring your scoot with a marker.
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Re: mounting ballast
OhioJoe wrote:
I used 14 gauge copper wire to attach the ballast to the screen area.
Replace it ASAP with something else that isn't guaranteed to break in short order. Solid copper wire is fine in static environments - it will work-harden and crack very rapidly on a scooter.
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Re: mounting ballast
Scootover wrote:
OhioJoe wrote:
I mounted my HID ballast on the black 'screen' area just below where you mounted the ballast to the frame. That area is covered by the plastic 'trim'. I used 14 gauge copper wire to attach the ballast to the screen area.
Do you see the white color on the ballast back thru the screen much? I was going to say if so,how about getting you a fine point black marker and simply color in each screen hole.Wala.

PS-If you have young kids,they would probably love coloring your scoot with a marker.
The white doublestick will collect the dirt soon enough.
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Just installed mine! 6000k with the SMT super white LED as the 3rd eye. Now I'm just going to get some knock-off 6000k colour halogens for the brights.

The sun is setting and I'm getting excited to go blind some people! 8)

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Yep, after 11,000 miles, the ballasts are still where I mounted them. Copper wire and all. But I think its the double back tape that is holding them in place!

Still bright! and so far, No One has pulled out in front of me. (Hope I don't jinx myself)

Actually, the mounting area is covered by the 'tupperware' on the bike. No need to paint or cover it.
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Ya know, there's a used MP3 500 here I'm thinking of buying just do I can install these HD lights. It's a lot easier than trying it on the 400...
And those 500 looks are growing on me. ;)
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Ya know, there's a used MP3 500 here I'm thinking of buying just do I can install these HD lights. It's a lot easier than trying it on the 400...
And those 500 looks are growing on me.
look at this post

they look really good for the 250/400's

new headlight
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after riding for 1+ month, the dim lights are getting into me and this threads gets me thinking..

Do we need the Can bus version or the regular set will do?
If using the CanBus version, will there be any error code that comes from the bike?

I went to see on the DDM site and the kit they sell are very good value compare to some kits direct from China and are more pricey.

Also, is there any benefit from the Philips kit vs the DDM kit?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-PHILIPS-SLIM-CANBUS-BALLAST-HID-XENON-KIT-H1-H3-H4-H7-H8-H11-9005-9006-9007-/171102135617?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27d67b6541&vxp=mtr

http://www.lighting.philips.com.sg/v2/automotive/productrange.jsp?id=1012984#0
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Here you can see the differents

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The green one got H8 55watt Xenon look 6000k

The orange one got H8 55watt Xenon/HID 6000k
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Anyone know about the Raptor Brand 35w HID Kit?

And what all do I need other than the lighting kit, from ddmtuning?

thx

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To purchase this ...

in doing this MOD ... do I need any of the following?

1) Mounting Bracket for Ballast
2) HID Harness
3) Error Eliminator
4) Adapter cables

Is it the hi/lo light I need?

thx

FM
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Well that went over well. LoL
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FunkyMonkey wrote:
To purchase this ...

in doing this MOD ... do I need any of the following?

1) Mounting Bracket for Ballast
2) HID Harness
3) Error Eliminator
4) Adapter cables

Is it the hi/lo light I need?

thx

FM
I got the set from DDM Tuning for $30. Came with everything I needed except maybe some cable ties.

Item: DDM35W.H8.5000K
Description: DDM HID Kit, 35W, H8, 5000K
Price: $30.00
http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/DDM-HID-Kit-Slim-Ballast-35W-or-55W
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FunkyMonkey wrote:
To purchase this ...

in doing this MOD ... do I need any of the following?

1) Mounting Bracket for Ballast
2) HID Harness
3) Error Eliminator
4) Adapter cables

Is it the hi/lo light I need?

thx

FM
I got the set from DDM Tuning for $30. Came with everything I needed except maybe some cable ties.

Item: DDM35W.H8.5000K
Description: DDM HID Kit, 35W, H8, 5000K
Price: $30.00
http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/DDM-HID-Kit-Slim-Ballast-35W-or-55W
BUT did you need those extra four items ??

Mounting Brackets
HID Harness
Error Eliminator
Adaptor cables
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FunkyMonkey wrote:
bigbadger wrote:
FunkyMonkey wrote:
To purchase this ...

in doing this MOD ... do I need any of the following?

1) Mounting Bracket for Ballast
2) HID Harness
3) Error Eliminator
4) Adapter cables

Is it the hi/lo light I need?

thx

FM
I got the set from DDM Tuning for $30. Came with everything I needed except maybe some cable ties.

Item: DDM35W.H8.5000K
Description: DDM HID Kit, 35W, H8, 5000K
Price: $30.00
http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/DDM-HID-Kit-Slim-Ballast-35W-or-55W
BUT did you need those extra four items ??

Mounting Brackets
HID Harness
Error Eliminator
Adaptor cables
I got the same kit from DDM tuning...you might be able to make use of the mounting brackets, but you don't NEED them to install on our scoots; I used industrial mount foam tape and steel cable ties and it's been holding for 2 years. Everything else is included in the kit--no additional harnesses, cables, or eliminators required.
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BUT did you need those extra four items ??

Mounting Brackets
HID Harness
Error Eliminator
Adaptor cables
Nope.
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FunkyMonkey wrote:
BUT did you need those extra four items ??

Mounting Brackets
HID Harness
Error Eliminator
Adaptor cables
Nope.
me neither.
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Re: HOW TO: Installing HIDs in an MP3 500
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Hi Everyone;

Since I haven't seen much in terms of how-to for the MP3 500, I thought I would provide one on upgrading to HID lights.

I opted to go with a 35W (each) HID kit from DDM Tuning. I read many positive reviews, and found that their price was very competitive with many units on e-Bay that had less "backing".

I decided to purchase the 35W kit, as many folks indicated it was plenty for most purposes; in addition, it matched the same wattage draw as the original halogen lights. The kit can be found here: http://www.ddmtuning.com/index.php?p=product&id=101&parent=60 Specifically, I ordered the H8 bulbs at the 5000K color temperature.

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The set above shows 1/2 of the two-light kit. Please note that wiring adapter harness on the right was already "cut up" by me in preparation for shortening it. This is the result:

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To make everything hold together, I opted to use a piece of 1" shrink tubing over the shortened adapter harness:

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With that done the kit is essentially plug-and-play. Begin by taking out the old bulb and inserting the new HID bulb (that has a two-wire pigtail). The pigtails plug into the ballast unit, which I tied up to the vertical supports behind the front side panels. Note that I used a stainless steel cable tie for the bottom. Just in case the plastic ones were to crack or break, the unit wouldn't fall to the ground. In retrospect I could have very easily just used a piece of steel or copper wire to tie it up.

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On the driver's side, for example, I tucked the extra wiring up above the overflow tank and tied it off to prevent movement. All in all the installation was very simple.

Now for the results. DO NOT buy the 55w units! These 35W units are like the noon sun - the 55W units would be like a couple of arc welders.

These first two show a single low-beam HID vs. a single stock low-beam halogen:
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These next two show a single high-beam HID vs. a single stock high-beam halogen:
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This last one shows what both low-beam HIDs look like (my choice):
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I had gone back and forth on whether or not to put the HIDs in either the high or low beams. Here's my pros and cons analysis:

Low Beams: they provide great bright, wide coverage, but you run the risk of being occasionally flashed for others thinking you have your brights on. While I have not, I think this could be partially mitigated by adjusting your low beams to point a little lower towards the ground.

High Beams: they provide bright lights on the alternative light setting, but the beams are still pretty narrow, and I like the wider coverage so I can see the animals on the sides of the roads where I live.

In all honest there's still plenty of room if you actually wanted to install ALL FOUR as HIDs, but I don't think it's necessary. Like many before me, I have a feeling I will probably never use the brights again.

Anyway, that's my quick write-up. I'll be glad to answer any questions as they come up.

Zang
Do these come in a pair at that price or just a single unit light? From ddmtuning

thx
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Re: HOW TO: Installing HIDs in an MP3 500
FunkyMonkey wrote:
Do these come in a pair at that price or just a single unit light? From ddmtuning

thx
yes they come as a set for $30.
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If they still don't work...
I did the HID mod and on first start, the lights didn't light up. I thought the polarity was reversed and flipped the input connector but that didn't work either. Checked the fuses and all were fine. I was about to revert back to the original light fixtures when I noticed that in the connector where there were two male pins, they had been pinched together such that they did not seat into the female connections correctly - they got squeezed into the opening between the female connections. I pulled apart the male pins so they seat into the female connections appropriately and now they work perfectly.
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I'm interested in doing this mod, great write up. Can anyone recommend a uk source for the kits.
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got them in stock H8 if you want to do both low and high beam do also the 400 both lights on mod
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I just want to replace the main lights. Going to leave the highs alone. It's a fuoco so I've already got both lights on.
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When you switch from high back to low it will take a few secs before the hids are bright enough so with out the mod you will drive in the dark for 2 or 3 secs
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Maksor wrote:
When you switch from high back to low it will take a few secs before the hids are bright enough so with out the mod you will drive in the dark for 2 or 3 secs
but when using the HID's on the low beam the high beam suck so bad you just leave them in low you see so much better on low beams than high.
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got them in stock H8 if you want to do both low and high beam do also the 400 both lights on mod
Hopefully will be placing an order for (http://maksor-scooterparts.com/verl014.html) H8 Xenon Slim Ballast HID inbouw set 6000K later. Your site suggests there not in stock though?

In my earlier posts, I should have said it's the lows I'm going to change not the highs.
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Well got them in stock new shipment just arrived
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And received today, excellent service. Quick question though, is this correct. It basically just plugs together taking feed from old bulb via the two spade connectors. I ask because out of the box the cables with the tags on were connected.
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Yes connect the spades to the org plug red = + black = -

get them mixed up and the light wont work

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