Modern Vespa

Sorry i'm not for sure exactly which # led's to get.I remember this discussion at another scooter site,someone bought the side firing led's and it took care of the problem.Look at the pic,these type led's are what your after.Hopefully it's not to hard to find which led's will work.

Thank you, wrecks, and I'm sorry I don't have a definite answer for your specific project. I take it you have checked all available color combinations for LEDs that might work in there. Outside of that, I can only think of working with two separate bulbs per pod.

Actually, that red LED strip might be your best approach, if there is one that would fit in there.

Please keep in mind that these are
a) very deep and need enough room in the housing
b) are quite costly
c) require a dual-filament (or two contacts) socket, and
d) still might not solve the focus problem we have with an LED in a reflector designed for an incandescent bulb.

My particular experience of having to pull out a 5x LED to almost dropping it shows that simply more stacked LEDs on the sides is not necessarily the answer.

Wait a minute!! I need to reverse my thinking. I can put a 1157 Red LED, so I can have both running lights and brake light functionality. Then I can add amber LED strip for the signal only.

Hmm.. got to think of the wiring for this with relays. Also if a 1157 bulb can fit in there. I think it can.

Wow, how many relays will I need?

b) are quite costly
That is no lie.. it adds up.

d) still might not solve the focus problem we have with an LED in a reflector designed for an incandescent bulb.
SO TRUE when it comes to the brake lights. I've tried many different LEDS for the brake light housing on a Vespa. Nothing beats an incandescent bulb. LEDs comes close, but does not surpass it.

What a wonderful modification you did there. Kudo's for you.

I have seen LED's that will blink in another color. They were like $50 each bulb but you could make them amber, or white, as running lamps and they change to red when getting an intermittent (blink) signal.

The solution in this thread was to use a trailer converter to act as the relay and do all of the "logic". The Hoppy controller is designed to be used in a truck to convert the trucks 2 or 3 lamp run/stop/signal tail lamp assembly into a single filament trailer. I converted the wire to change it to allow for a solid "running lamp" and "blinking off" turn signal. As the controller was also designed to have a "brake stop" signal, that function was ignored.

If have or run into a web link of these bulbs, let me know. $50 a piece, whoa.

Bumping this back up since I don't properly understand the relationship between the turn single and running lights.

If I was to install this mod and then replace the lights with the new white/amber leds everyone is getting would the lights be white running lights and then turn amber when turning? I don't know how the bulb would know to change or if the mod would be able to tell it.

The initial thread was created to take the existing turn signals (that are off when not needed) and convert them to lights that are on solid (running lamps) while riding and blink while needed as a turn signals.

The expensive white/amber LED is a blinking amber color when you need a turn signal and a steady white any other time. I assume that the bulb has intelligence in it that says... has the power be steady? light the white leds.. has the power been intermittent? blink the amber leds and trun off the white LED. To use a bulb like this, you would need to run a wire to the socket to provide a steady "running" signal for the bulb.

from the VLEDS website

Type 2 Color Changing LED
Now these are wicked! White parking circuit and Amber High/Turn, specifically designed for clear front turn signal lenses. Now you can have that HID white look you want and still be totally legal. M-SMT is the latest technology in LED design, and the future of LED lighting. These are brighter and more effective than standard LEDs.

This bulb has 40 Amber, and 40 White radial firing LED's that fire perfectly into the chrome reflectors of your cars lamp assembly creating a sparkling effect, and 6 Amber, and 6 White Forward firing LED's to fill out the front of the lens. These are by far the most trick LED bulbs on the planet!

How it Works
When the parking lights are on the color will be white, when the turn signal is applied the white will shut off and the amber color will blink only. When the turn signals have been shut off the white color will come back on. These are different from our Type 1 dual color bulbs.

Type 1 alternates white and amber when the turn signal is applied
Type 2 only the amber flashes when the turn signal is applied.

Clean N' Clear
Replace your ugly filament bulbs! LEDs and Housing are clear when lights are off.

HID Look
Upgrade your lighting to a new, High End, High Tech look with V-LEDS.

Video is to show functionality only, not to be used as a fitment guide

www.youtube.com/v/Z3pMwMjPNQQ

[quote="TechGuy9707"][quote="BeerNuts"]This bulb has 40 Amber, and 40 White radial firing LED's that fire perfectly into the chrome reflectors of your cars lamp assembly creating a sparkling effect, and 6 Amber, and 6 White Forward firing LED's to fill out the front of the lens. These are by far the most trick LED bulbs on the planet!

Using this LED bulb is not going to save power. The power of an LED is about 12V*0.025A = 0.3Watts. This LED stack has 46 LEDs so the total bulb power = 46*0.3W = 11Watts. More than the 10 Watt incandescent bulb already in there. Withthat many LEDs tho, it might be brighter but depends ona number of factors, most importantly is how it fits into the reflector.
Best
Miguel

Yeah I get what the initial topic was about and I like the idea but I would much rather have white running lights that matched the head light, to help be seen and light the road. But I would also like the they still functioned as turn signals. I am just curious as to if doing this mod and then just plug and play popping in the leds would accomplish this.

We just finished doing the running light mod on a GT200 with white running lights and amber turn signals. And we did it with nothing but with two universal socket, VLEDs, and wires.

TB will probably do a write up soon with pictures in another thread.

I was just given a link to www.scoot-xenon.com with an LED version of this, for just EUR90 or $120 plus shipping, so I thought I'd add the key missing image with the circuit diagram, to build a far less expensive (if a bit more work-intensive) system:

Well done Arno!

on the gts 300 the front indicators have 2 bulbs per side. i purchased a ready made loom kit from a guy in London that replaces one each of the front indicator bulbs with permanent running lights. However I don't find the led bulbs to be that bright - any suggestions as to which led bulbs i should try instead - i believe the current fitment is T10
any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.