Modern Vespa

I use it in mine. It's a good oil.

It's absolutely fine. A good oil.

A good oil.

Rotella is for diesel engines, where the soot from the combustion process dirties up the oil almost instantly and it is not deemed important that diesel engines remain clean, therefore, the oil is not "designed" to keep the engine constantly clean as with an oil intended for gasoline engines. I would find an synthetic oil such as Total Quartz 9000, Elf Scooter Synthetic oil 5W-40.

I imagine that a single malt, red label, black label or blue label whisky is whisky after all, but it is different from its conception.

The ash bit is bollocks.

I can't believe it; my first service on my 250ie at 625 miles; they use just standard 5-30 motor oil; nothing special for scooters over any other vehicle; just the number. Does that sound normal?

I think that was me. I can't remember if I posted that here, or on another forum. Mobil 1 for use in cars in not suitable for use in motorcycles. It has anti frictions additives in it that make it too slippy for motorcycles.

I know for a fact that some one who has used Mobil 1 in their Vespa will have their warranty claim refused by Piaggio if their engine blows. We had a guy that we'd never dealt with before bring a GTS with a blown engine to us. Piaggio was very interested because they apparently hadn't had an engine go like this before. They specifically asked which oil the customer had been using. The customer stated that he used Mobil 1 because he read it on a forum or in a magazine somewhere. Piaggio disallowed the the warranty claim because he hadn't used an oil with the properties specified in the manual and specifically stated that Mobil 1 contained too many anti friction additives and it wasn't designed for use in motorcycles.

I don't know if the customer fought the warranty denial or how he got on if he did because he's never been back in contact with us

We've been selling new Vespas since 2000 and this is the first time we've seen them deny a warranty claim, apart from batteries.

Andrea

Don't Diesel engines also filter down to 1 micron or something? The soot gets filtered out anyhow. A scooter filter will filter out particles down to a size deemed by the manufacturer to be tolerable to that particular engine. Rotella exceeds the recommended oil's specs and can be had for $4-$5 a quart. For me, we have a winnah!

And for the record, Talisker 16 year is my malt of choice.

In North America where it is impossible to get the Piaggio-recommended brands of oil, the European car recommended 5W-40 synthetic oils are a very good substitute. These oils are designed for use in Mercedes, VW, BMW, and Volvo. Most carry the MS rating.

Cheers and good luck,
Bob

I buy it by the case right from American Agip. http://tinyurl.com/mpve47
I could get it from my dealer too, they stock it.

Just bought a case of the Coolant I guess you can't get in the US either.

Wayne B

Thanks for the link, but for some it's impractical to stock enough oil to last 10 years.....

C'mon, ride some more! And it isn't even all that expensive, just $37 a gallon.

Sorry Wayne et al. I should have said Canada instead of North America. I have never seen Agip City Hi Tek 4T or Selenia Hi Scooter 4 Tech here. The only scooter-specific oils here are 10W-40, and they are rare.

Cheers and thanks,
Bob

Thanks for the link, but for some it's impractical to stock enough oil to last 10 years.....
Did you access their filter oil?