Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:20 pm

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Scattered remnants of 1974 Rally
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Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:20 pm linkquote
Grab that. It looks great!

Looks like a p200 engine. The bike is Femsa-era (has the mounting bolts) It's got some mix and match, but looks great.

It's very complete. And aside from the engine, all there.

The p200 engine is probably better. It's 12v and the Ducati CDI is much easier to replace.
Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:22 pm

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Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:22 pm linkquote
kmf wrote:
I'd say '73 with that rear badge. 2.5 seems like a good price, but be careful...oil sight glass is empty. if it was run like that....
I thought the lowercase "rally 200" badge was the later one?

Sight glass is not empty. There's a light-colored oil in it, I confirmed with seller.
Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:24 pm

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76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
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Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:24 pm linkquote
The the exhaust stub is the easiest way to tell if you know the difference in how they look.

Barring that, look at the engine #, which is on a flat area on the right side under the cylinder right by the swingarm. If it's a P200 or Rally, it'll start with "VSE1M"


For example...

Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:34 pm

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Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:34 pm linkquote
Engine is definitely VSE1M so no concerns about it being LML or <200cc.
hjo wrote:
Grab that. It looks great!

Looks like a p200 engine. The bike is Femsa-era (has the mounting bolts) It's got some mix and match, but looks great.

It's very complete. And aside from the engine, all there.

The p200 engine is probably better. It's 12v and the Ducati CDI is much easier to replace.
Thanks for that! I'm already more-or-less committed to buy, but was thinking about what I wanted to do with the bike. If it was all "correct" then considering its condition/rarity I'd probably feel compelled to keep it that way, but now I can do some tuning with a clear conscience.
Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:42 pm

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Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:42 pm linkquote
It's perfect.

The only things I would change are the taillight (the rally one is the capped style), and you can get a rally-style kickstart lever that fits on PX splines.





Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:53 pm

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Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:53 pm linkquote
It look like it may have the Ulma leg shield trim? If so, another bonus.
Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:00 pm

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Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:00 pm linkquote
hjo wrote:
It's perfect.

The only things I would change are the taillight (the rally one is the capped style), and you can get a rally-style kickstart lever that fits on PX splines.
Thanks for the suggestion for the lever. I like the idea of keeping it mostly stock-locking from the outside but doing some work under the cowls.

I'll probably change the tail light too, as I like the style that you posted better, but I don't think the one it has now is wrong. I've seen several other Rallys with this style. Examples:







Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:03 pm

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Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:03 pm linkquote
I guess the euro model Rally 180s had those. There's one in this brochure,

Pretty sure the 1970s 200s had that all plastic one, or the tractor light in the US.







Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:07 pm

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One or two fun scoots....nothing too precious
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Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:07 pm linkquote
The oil injection would be unusual for a UK model. I believe it was an expensive option, but very few would have stumped up the extra cash in the early '70s. Maybe US spec with indicators deleted? The rear light is definitely wrong for a Rally 200 of that era. Should have the one pictured with the black plastic cap. Regarding the kickstart, I would personally go the whole hog and swap out the quadrant. Good opportunity to inspect and service the engine internals
Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:24 am

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'66 Sears Cruisaire Smallframe
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:24 am linkquote
No price listed, but here are very nice original owner '78 P-something and '63 VBB for sale.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/441852447542190/



Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:51 am

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Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:51 am linkquote
Zoomed on the sticker and it shows VSX1T, so a very nice P200E
Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:07 am

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Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:07 am linkquote
$3000 for both, not bad
Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:58 pm

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Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:58 pm linkquote
That P is so nice!
Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:18 pm

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Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:45 pm

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Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:45 pm linkquote
Gonna pass on the Bajaj Ape. Lol

But if we're headed toward a passenger Vespa…

https://worcester.craigslist.org/pts/d/leicester-1958-vespa/7402385701.html
Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:55 pm

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Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:55 pm linkquote
jape wrote:
Gonna pass on the Bajaj Ape. Lol

But if we're headed toward a passenger Vespa…

https://worcester.craigslist.org/pts/d/leicester-1958-vespa/7402385701.html
that is pretty cool! Never knew they made tiny cars aside from the apes.

Wonder if its an engine straight out of one of their scooters or if its something unique.

EDIT: 400cc 2 stroke!
https://www.lanemotormuseum.org/collection/cars/item/vespa-400-1958
Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:08 pm

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Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:08 pm linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
that is pretty cool! Never knew they made tiny cars aside from the apes.

Wonder if its an engine straight out of one of their scooters or if its something unique.

EDIT: 400cc 2 stroke!
https://www.lanemotormuseum.org/collection/cars/item/vespa-400-1958
My friend has one of those Bajaj Tuk Tuk trucksters. He described the ride as "being inside a trash can while someone is hitting the side of it with a baseball bat". I took it for a short spin, and his description was very accurate. I can remember, but i seem to recall they were a 175cc? He still owns it.
Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:20 pm

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2007 Stella 225
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Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:20 pm linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
that is pretty cool! Never knew they made tiny cars aside from the apes.

Wonder if its an engine straight out of one of their scooters or if its something unique.

EDIT: 400cc 2 stroke!
https://www.lanemotormuseum.org/collection/cars/item/vespa-400-1958
If I had a place to put it it would be mine.
Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:32 pm

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Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:32 pm linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
that is pretty cool! Never knew they made tiny cars aside from the apes.

Wonder if its an engine straight out of one of their scooters or if its something unique.

EDIT: 400cc 2 stroke!
https://www.lanemotormuseum.org/collection/cars/item/vespa-400-1958
Not from Pontedera. The French went a bit nuts with their license. Car made for contortionists.
Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:04 am

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Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:04 am linkquote
V oodoo wrote:
$500 for nice looking Indo P in Portland Oregon. Tempting me!
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcy/d/portland-1983-vespa-no-title/7390673442.html


OK, that didn't take too long, cleaned up nicely too, somebody's been quite busy.
Portland Craigslist again, but a few new wrinkles. Still not horribly bad for this beauty, if you can get title where you live.
Quote:
Kilometers, not miles on odometer
New fuel tap and fuel control rod
Cleaned carburetor
Changed transmission oil
New clutch inner cable
Lubed and adjusted all other cables
New tires and tubes
Installed hard to find NOS headlight (trapezoidal)
New column lock with spare key
Bike runs on AC (no battery)
All lights and horn work fine.
It is a premix non auto lube Vespa
No title but a mountain of official Indonesian paperwork
2600.00 obo
Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:27 am

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Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:27 am linkquote
Indo P looks cool. I would absolutley scoop it for $500, not as much at $2600 with no papers... Unique model, and running, but worth it?xxx
Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:13 am

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Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:13 am linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
that is pretty cool! Never knew they made tiny cars aside from the apes.

Wonder if its an engine straight out of one of their scooters or if its something unique.

EDIT: 400cc 2 stroke!
https://www.lanemotormuseum.org/collection/cars/item/vespa-400-1958
The story that I heard was Vespa was buying the motors from Fiat and Fiat said that if Vespa was going to start building cars they were going to start building scooters. This ended the Vespa car.

That story may be aprophal.
Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:40 pm

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Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:40 pm linkquote
Ray8 wrote:
Not from Pontedera. The French went a bit nuts with their license. Car made for contortionists.
ACMA (France) also made the tank killer Vespa and this firefighting scoot.
There was a US model 400 for sale here recently, needing work. Maybe $10k if I remember right. Amazing anyone could fit in that thing -- not me

Had the same Piaggio approach to body design. Very lightweight, but a gutless wonder. No competition for the VW Bug.


Tank killer


Fire "engine."

Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:31 pm

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Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:31 pm linkquote
$1000 Stella on FB Marketplace. Vancouver, WA.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/638577860486764/



Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:57 pm

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Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:57 pm linkquote
1985 PX150E for sale on Long Island, NY, for $1200. Needs some work but doesn't appear too bad. USA model with tractor light, etc. Looks like it's missing the oil tank.

https://longisland.craigslist.org/mcy/d/port-washington-1985-vespa-px150e/7405719771.html



Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:13 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:13 pm linkquote
I guess you could break your foot on it if you try hard enough.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313327083725
Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:41 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:41 pm linkquote
$100 USD!
Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:42 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:42 pm linkquote
smn81 wrote:
1985 PX150E for sale on Long Island, NY, for $1200. Needs some work but doesn't appear too bad. USA model with tractor light, etc. Looks like it's missing the oil tank.

https://longisland.craigslist.org/mcy/d/port-washington-1985-vespa-px150e/7405719771.html
Is it just me, or does it seem like the legshield and front fork are canted waaaay too far back on that thing?
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:06 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:06 pm linkquote
A few years back I swapped out the rear shock on my t5, I neglected to pull the spacer off the old shock and rode the scooter for months before a buddy here on MV commented that my front wheel was way too far off the ground.
Looks like the same problem here



Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:16 pm

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:16 pm linkquote
Gt6MK3 wrote:
I guess you could break your foot on it if you try hard enough.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313327083725
Quote:
Check out the video below to see the bike in good running condition before it was disassembled.
That video shows them kicking the "brake pedal" to start it.
Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:01 am

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:01 am linkquote
Very clean looking PX in Orlando, $1,200

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/550102879546340/
Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:40 am

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:24 am

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VNB VSC VBC VSX*2
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Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:24 am linkquote
Shoot ... i'd buy that Jet if it were closer!
Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:10 am

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:10 am linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
Shoot ... i'd buy that Jet if it were closer!
I got no room and no money but I'm almost ready to drive hours to go get that!
Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:11 am

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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
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Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:11 am linkquote
Birdsnest wrote:
Shoot ... i'd buy that Jet if it were closer!
Wow, I'd be tempted if it was close by also. I'm not a Lammy guy BUT - never say never - and it is a Jet 200. I love the Ocra colored ones...

OK, nothing to see here....move along.....
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:27 pm

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:27 pm linkquote
Same. I'm bummed I don't have even $850 laying around right now.

If anyone wants it I can store it for you at my house. Allentown is only about an hour away.
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:43 pm

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Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:43 pm linkquote
Its already sold.. as expected!
Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:16 pm

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'58 VBA '79CT90
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:02 am

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Location: OC
 
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:02 am linkquote
Saw this one on FB- not sure why it hasn't sold yet.
Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:28 am

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76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella
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Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:28 am linkquote
dsnyder586 wrote:
Saw this one on FB- not sure why it hasn't sold yet.
Yup. I figured the "oooh...the Patina...." Crowd would be all over it
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