Modern Vespa

I have a cheap DR177 kit, comparing that to a Pinasco 225, which is more a low end touring kit, there is no comparison. 225 has more low end grunt and cruises at 60 mph no problem. 177 was ported to fit a Stella reed intake case and was no where near as powerful as 225. I believe a 177 kit can be as powerful as a Pinasco 225 but at what cost? I know a few on here that have a well built and extensively modified 177 that could keep up and pass my 225 bolted on kit. I have yet to do any modifications to my 225 case.

Speedo on that P makes me think it's a 125. If that paint is og it's a good deal!

Smallie Is a good deal too..if you're close.

The '69 small frame appears to be a 130 on a 90. I am tempted by that one and it's not far away.

both aren't bad. I think the P is little over, but that's a haggle down a few hundy. like birbs said, it'f that's OG paint then the rest is probably not too much of a mess. to me it looks like a respray. not that there's anything wrong with that.

that's about rate on the smallie. 12~15 seems to be right in the wheelhouse for something that's got good bones and just needs some massaging.

Lots of good parts for $200 in Reno.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125184248455?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D237581%26meid%3D082fb4aacdc24e719d71cc1a22fe79a7%26pid%3D101251%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D125184248455%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26algv%3DPersonalizedTopicsV2WithSimilarCategoriesPurchaseSuppression&_trksid=p2380057.c101251.m47269&_trkparms=pageci%3Ada9b71ca-a201-11ec-b461-c67ff244fe72%7Cparentrq%3A7e26aed617f0a1b427599001fffefbd2%7Ciid%3A1

That thing looks like it was run through a car crusher.

Maybe a rebuildable engine and some cowls for cheap, if nothing else.

That'll buff right out.

This was the kind of project I imagined doing years ago...maybe something more rusty than bent. There is no point though. The cost of an much better example is much much less than the time and money that would be needed to bring that back to life.

If it was the last one on earth or the first one ever made it might be worth it.

In my eyes, it is totally fixable and I'd go for it if I didn't have to pay to ship it across the country. No rust !!! It will be interesting to see what it goes for. Ends at 5:18 ET.

That sprint is 100% fixable, for the right price. It's just metal, someone get to hammerin!

And whatever is wrong with the front end, front tire is at an odd angle.

Fork is seriously bent, probably the frame, too.

Sold for $207.50
Round trip shipping to Hanoi - $1,500.00
"Restoration" - $1,000.00
BaT listing for "low mileage original" Vespa - $75.00
All in - $2,787.50

Selling price - $6,000.00

Profit - $3,212.50

$207.50.

200 clams for a set of cases and possibly a headset, and some other misc stuff is a decent deal. the rest of that thing is a planter.

$6,905? I see greater value in a $200 speedometer gasket.

The lazy thump of a 200 motor is still very much superior to a modified 177/187 motor IMHO. The power output can be whatever you like with a highly tuned smallblock engine, but a stock or mildly tuned 200 will get you round the world without a hiccup, and a stock one gives you it's 12hp of power at a paltry 5700 RPM

That's been my impression of the 200 from what I've read about it. It makes its power at an rpm that is sustainable even though a 177 might be quicker compared to a stock 200. I will probably keep mine a stock plodder, with the exception of the Road 2 and the jetting to go with it.

'54 Lambo 150LD, with extra patina. $650. It's been sitting around for years. $500 would take it.

F that noise. you'd have to pay me $500 to take it. that thing is only if you have other LD's and you're a glutton for punishment.

Come on, don't sugar coat it. How do you really feel?

well, since you asked...

I can see that there's no fuel tank and it's missing the engine tin. so what else is missing under the panels? all of the headlight shit is gone, along wit the horncast. when's the last time you saw one of those for sale? oh, and you're gonna need legshields/floor boards. the RH board extension is missing. need a seat and at least levers, probably controls too. then you get to tackle the motor, which you know isn't just gonna be seals and gaskets.

not to mention everything on that fucker is probably locked up tighter than a bulls ass at fly time with all that rust.

pass.

nope

nope

Be a good winter beater. Park it on the street and you don't even have to worry about the rust for another 50 years.

nope

It was a more tongue in cheek comment to me.

But pour his heart and soul into restoring it? My viewpoint is he just butchered a great original machine to make it....original.....

There are not many original condition machines left, and he took a great original machine and made it a restoration. It makes me sad. At least he finished the project and didn't leave it in a box, so there's that I guess. But for me, leave it the f@$k alone and just get it machanically sound so it can roll.

Too late for that though. So I say it's a beautiful machine...

And like everything, my opinion is just that, an opinion, neither right nor wrong. I'm glad we all have differing opinions or life would be pretty boring..

Ok, getting off the soapbox and putting down the microphone...

meh, 55 for an Allstate? a G more and you're in GS/SS territory.

I'd rather have what he started with for half that.

nope

It's a preference thing really. I like a good restoration, but would only buy or sell one with photos documenting the quality of the restoration. Otherwise, I would never trust shiny paint nor would I expect a potential buyer to do the same. I used to hate patina, but I have really changed my view on that depending on how a vehicle is preserved.

As a general rule, I think that most of us are looking for two categories of scooters:
1) Ones that have never been restored, but are good candidates, like that red one before he restored it.
2) Ones that either have been repainted; or are too beat up to save the original paint; or need other destructive work, i.e. welding, and thus would need fresh paint anyway.

There are others (as Orwell just showed) who are looking for previously restored bikes, but I think most of us are on the hunt for project, not post-project, bikes.

That is relative to the buyer though. Someone who is well seasoned can see a patina'd, rusted-out frame and fork for 300.00 bucks and its a super deal of the day to them. Conversely, someone new to the scene would be so far over their head that they wouldn't/shouldn't touch that deal. And the reverse is true.... I'm not gonna buy a well sorted P200 for 2500.00 or more bc I don't need or want that. But, to a newish vintage vespa fan that's a great deal bc they get a straight, sorted scoot.

Short story long... Deal of the day and speed of sale aren't always hand in hand.

Asking price aside, here's a nice looking original Allstate similar to the one above, but totally unrestored.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/485956409852545/

That could be deal of the day territory, especially with that hub cap!
That scoot will clean up real nice.

$2500 for 64 Allstate that is not running? Not me, that's $1000 too high just for starters. If the engine is locked up after sitting 20+ years, that's another $500 less. Yeah, I'm picky, but there are a lot of Allstates around VS Original Vespas.

Agreed. For $2500 that thing needs to be a runner.

$2500 needs to be a runner, clean and polished, new cables/brakes/lights etc. with title & tags

This one is in a little nicer shape than my '64 when I bought mine last year. I paid $1650. FM's friend just paid $2K for a '62 Allstate runner. IDK maybe $1850?

deal of the day is subjective. it's more about the thought or the idea of what would constitute a deal if I had that dinero available in my scooter slush fund. such as what I would think constitutes a good deal if I was looking for that particular item or if I was passing along a bike to somebody looking.

like the other day there was a serveta on scoot that I thought was a very fair price. was it a smoking deal? nah, but very reasonable. there was also those cases and crank for $600 which I thought was a deal. somebody else could look at either of those and damn near swallow their tongue at the prices.

blondes or brunettes, remember there's an ass for every seat and a pocket book that'll accommodate wildly inappropriate and totally unadvised spending.

Here's a good one. I like that color, too.

Project Scooter - Original 2003 Genuine Stella Scooter (Vintage Vespa) - $700

https://columbus.craigslist.org/mcy/d/columbus-project-scooter-original-2003/7461049691.html