Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:10 pm

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Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:10 pm linkquote
Not really deal of the day here, but reasonable and this thing looks practically NEW with only 1500 miles. I've seen worse for nearly twice the money. Lots of thrilling extras here as well, so obviously well loved!



https://eugene.craigslist.org/mcy/d/smith-river-1980-vespa-piaggio/7531233372.html
Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:42 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
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Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:42 pm linkquote
that's a deal voodoo
Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:31 pm

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Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:31 pm linkquote
that's not a bad deal. you could probably sell all that tat that's on there for a few bones.

not a fan of the spray job action on the front wheel, could be hiding some nasty.

but if it's got tags and a title, starts and runs that's not a bad jumping in point.
Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:02 pm

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Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:02 pm linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
that's not a bad deal. you could probably sell all that tat that's on there for a few bones.
...
OK the rack, maybe the muddy & cowl guards but I doubt the footrest & seat...

Anyways the real hidden gem here is this rare headset cover for those who have always admired the stylishly advanced Honda Aero.



Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:16 pm

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1963 Vespa VBB, 1965 Allstate Cruisaire, 1974 Vespa Super, 1980 Vespa P200, 2003 Stella 2T, 2008 Steall 2T, 2022 Royal Alloy 150 GT
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:20 pm

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:36 pm

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Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:36 pm linkquote
$40 seems about right!
Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:58 pm

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Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:58 pm linkquote
First sensible priced scoot I've seen for a while. Sold already.
Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:27 pm

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Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:27 pm linkquote
Tierney wrote:
Sold already.
Yup, I bought it. $40. Can't go wrong.

Anyone have a light, seat or other bits?

Thinking this....


Right down the middle


In Half


In Half

Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:47 pm

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Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:47 pm linkquote
V oodoo wrote:
OK the rack, maybe the muddy & cowl guards but I doubt the footrest & seat...

Anyways the real hidden gem here is this rare headset cover for those who have always admired the stylishly advanced Honda Aero.




omg. I love it.

The DASMI seat. Those cowl bars are kind of a pain, but the center footrest is great, and it projects out enough to catch the bike if it falls.
Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:48 pm

Molto Verboso
Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
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Molto Verboso
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Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:48 pm linkquote
Vinyl Fetish on Melrose had this half vespa for years.



Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:32 am

Ossessionato
Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:32 am linkquote
Chatis wrote:
Yup, I bought it. $40. Can't go wrong.

Anyone have a light, seat or other bits?

Thinking this....
Seems a shame to cut it up. It's restorable. Cut a Vietnamese bodge in half instead why don'tcha?
Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:01 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Lucky
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:01 am linkquote
nomadinsiam wrote:
Seems a shame to cut it up. It's restorable. Cut a Vietnamese bodge in half instead why don'tcha?
Yeah, looking at it, unless the frame is seriously rotten, it'd probably clean up pretty nicely.
Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:06 pm

Not So Moderator
VNB vsc o9c VMA vbc VSX
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:22 pm

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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:22 pm linkquote
That is sweet!
Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:48 pm

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Yellow GTS 300 Super, Black GTS 300 Super Sport, Polaris Grey Rally 200, Blue Marine Primavera ET3, Coral Red 50 Special
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:14 pm

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Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:14 pm linkquote
I'd buy that Allstate for 1K all day long.

(are we allowed to talk about the stuff in the background too?)
Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:25 pm

Molto Verboso
Scattered remnants of (two!) 1974 Rallys
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Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:25 pm linkquote
Very nice.



Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:40 pm

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Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:40 pm linkquote
sprint looks solid and that's not bad at 3K tbh
Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:34 am

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:34 am linkquote
For under a grand you could look like you are riding a real Bodge.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/458660122982721/



Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:59 am

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1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:59 am linkquote


Abomination, kill it with 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:10 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:10 am linkquote
Moto64 wrote:
For under a grand you could look like you are riding a real Bodge.
If you're able to ride it, it's not a *real* bodge.
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:14 am

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:14 am linkquote
If I got it I'd throw a couple of glove boxes on there. I wonder if a Rally's would fit ? And I do have those yellow boots...... Shit, maybe even bolt another headlight on the mudguard.
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:25 am

Lucky
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:25 am linkquote
You can never have too many gloveboxes.
Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:56 am

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2 - Many
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:56 am linkquote
Did someone say "Rally Glovebox"?
Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:28 pm

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Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:28 pm linkquote
ScooterRaton wrote:
Did someone say "Rally Glovebox"?
rumor has it if you say it three times one will appear...








rally glovebox
Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:45 pm

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Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:45 pm linkquote
US bbq rear rack.
US bbq rear rack.
US bbq …..
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:08 pm

Hooked
1979 P200, 1960 Lambretta s2, 1975 Rally 200
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:08 pm linkquote
Madrid Rack,
Madrid Rack,
Madrid Rack.......(a greasy made one )
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:15 pm

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Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:15 pm linkquote
Cdevillasante wrote:
Madrid Rack,
Madrid Rack,
Madrid Rack.......(a greasy made one )
that reminds me... I need to talk with Mr. Owens again about that....
Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:16 pm

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Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:16 pm linkquote
nomadinsiam wrote:
US bbq rear rack.
US bbq rear rack.
US bbq …..
I'll send some scouts out to Kajiit house of chrome and whatnots. stand by for a report...
Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:38 pm

Hooked
1960 Allstate VNA, 1962 VNB
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Location: Cambria, CA
 
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Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:38 pm linkquote
Does anyone have eyes on this one?
I have tried to contact the seller but haven't received a response.

https://monterey.craigslist.org/mcy/d/moss-landing-1964-vespa-vbb/7536431293.html

Is that chrome on the bottom of the horncast and mudguard or is it just my failing eyesight and shitty computer monitor.



Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:43 pm

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2007 Stella 225
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2007 Stella 225
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Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:43 pm linkquote
FNG wrote:
Does anyone have eyes on this one?
I have tried to contact the seller but haven't received a response.

https://monterey.craigslist.org/mcy/d/moss-landing-1964-vespa-vbb/7536431293.html

Is that chrome on the bottom of the horncast and mudguard or is it just my failing eyesight and shitty computer monitor.
Some kind of shiny stuff, looks like chrome trim.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:58 pm

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:58 pm linkquote
LML motor eh? Could be a good deal but I wonder about the tire size in back, if it's 8" like the front then what about the gearing? I'll bet the motor is still 10" though. Nice looking bike for a not crazy price.

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:03 pm

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:03 pm linkquote
V oodoo wrote:
LML motor eh? Could be a good deal but I wonder about the tire size in back, if it's 8" like the front then what about the gearing?
I don't really care about the LML motor. I'd yank it and put my VLB cases with a VMC 177 in it.

I just want that paint.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:10 pm

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:10 pm linkquote
Yeah, me TOO! My AllState looks like a bum. Go have a look and snap that thing up if it checks out. Sell that motor for good money, you can NOT get them cheap & easy any more - they are now over a grand if you can even find one.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:20 pm

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:20 pm linkquote
To your question, could be small door edge trim?





Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:21 pm

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:21 pm linkquote
V oodoo wrote:
To your question, could be small door edge trim?
That's what I was thinking.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:32 pm

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:32 pm linkquote
2nd-ed, 3rd'ed? on the door trim. the seats are indo butt

the tires looks suspect... like from overseas... I'd want to inspect in person.

also, on the lower left of the leg shield is that rust showing thru? I'd ask for somebody local to take a peek or some pics before I made the haul up that way.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:43 pm

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:43 pm linkquote




Let's all get a good look before it's gone and no way to see. I'm encouraged by the nice leggy trim NOT shined up but a few honest nicks, looks like should be original. The grips and tail light look old too, also hopefully original. The body is almost TOO good, maybe an OCD owner? Spare tire cover concerns me slightly... Speedometer sits too high, likely that's not original.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:49 pm

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:49 pm linkquote
didn't notice it, but it's got the door trim on the cowl too. and that speedo.

probably just a victim of crappy replacement parts. but the tires are the one that gets me the most. you can't find those here and nobody orders them...
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