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Jackets from rockinleather.com?

OP designknob UTC details Member PX 150 Serie America #122 Joined: UTC Posts: 39 Location: Jersey City, NJ
OP designknob Member PX 150 Serie America #122 Joined: UTC Posts: 39 Location: Jersey City, NJ	UTC quote Can anyone vouch for the quality of their leather jackets? They are having a sale on a few for $39. At that price, I'm willing to take the risk, but was wondering if anyone actually had them and might be able to give a first hand review of the quality etc. TIA

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While I don't know their stuff, the fact that they're selling denim jackets as motorcycle gear speaks volumes about their concern for their customer's safety.

Sept 88 "Cycle" magazine article "Abrasion Testing: Torn in the USA".

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Drag Test

"For the Drag Test, samples were stitched to a bag that held a 75-pound
sandbag inside a milk crate, then dragged behind a pickup truck..."

New, 100% Cotton Denim Jeans ----------------------- 3' 10"
Senior Balistic Nylon ----------------------------------- 3' 10"
Leather, Lightweight, Nude Finish, 2.25 oz/sq. ft. --- 4' 3"
Leather, Fashion Weight, 1.75 oz/sq ft. ------------- 4' 4"
Two-year-old 100% Cotton Denim Jeans ------------ 4' 5"
Cordura Nylon Type 440 ----------------------------- 18' 3"
Kevlar 29 Aramid Fiber, Style 713 ------------------ 22' 1"
Leather, Competition Weight, 3 oz/sq. ft. -------- 86' 0"

Taber Test

"For the Taber Test, the specimen was mounted on a rotating platform and
scuffed by two rubber-emery grinding wheels." The numbers represent the
number of revolutions until the fabric totally fails. A vacuum clears
debris.

Two-year-old 100% Cotton Denim Jeans 168
New 100% Cotton Denim Jeans 225
Kevlar 29 Aramid Fiber, Style 713 506
Cordura Nylon, Type 440 559
Leather, Lightweight, Nude Finish, 2.25 oz./sq. ft. 564
Leather, Fashion Weight, 1.75 oz./sq. ft. 750
Senior Ballistic Nylon 817
Leather, Competition Weight, 3 oz./sq. ft. 2600

More to consider...

"Finally, protection from road abrasion cannot be guaranteed by a
materials abrasion resistance alone. A jacket may have panels of
highly abrasion-resistant materials, yet if low-quality stitching joins
those panels and the seams come apart upon impact or during a slide, then
the abrasion resistance of the panels could count for nothing.
Furthermore, an ill-fitting garment may ride up in a slide, contorting
the body and exposing the skin. And the best jacket in the world, left
unzipped and/or unsnapped, won't give riders the protection they pay
for. When it comes to safety, the issues are more complex than just the
abrasion resistance of materials."

Harvey

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Desmolicious Ossessionato Joined: UTC Posts: 3727 Location: Venice Beach, CA	UTC quote 'Quality leather' and '$39' are mutually exclusive. Positive

Miguel UTC details Veni, Vidi, Posti 2009 GTV250 (Gone), 2003 Inder trailer (also gone), 2001 BMW R1100RT Joined: UTC Posts: 5707 Location: Santa Cruz California
Miguel Veni, Vidi, Posti 2009 GTV250 (Gone), 2003 Inder trailer (also gone), 2001 BMW R1100RT Joined: UTC Posts: 5707 Location: Santa Cruz California	UTC quote Desmolicious wrote: 'Quality leather' and '$39' are mutually exclusive. I totally agree - you get what you pay for. Miguel

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Harvey Ossessionato 2016 Honda NC750XD, 2007 GTS (sold), Joined: UTC Posts: 3517 Location: Canada	UTC quote Elwood P. Dowd wrote: Six feet three and a half inches. Now let's stick to the facts. Harvey

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Stanny wrote:

Harvey, is that test from 1988? If so, has any of the high tech materials improved?

Yes, 1988. I don't think so; Cordura's a bit heavier- generally 500 denier vs 440 denier is the most common fabric (there's also Cordura 1000). The rest haven't changed (I think). There's also some hi-tech fabrics like Schoeller Keprotec with Kevlar, but I've noticed even BMW has switched from this back to Cordura.

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Cheap Leather...

It is acceptable to the Cruiser crowd to wear denim jackets, so they are to some degree just meeting the needs of some clientele.

[quote: While I don't know their stuff, the fact that they're selling denim jackets as motorcycle gear speaks volumes about their concern for their customer's safety.]

When you consider how many millions of animals are slaughtered daily around the world, there is a lot of hide floating around, and if labor is cheap, they can puke out somewhat acceptable jackets. I have seen lots of cheapo asian jackets that are pretty nice in materials and quality--at first glance, anyway. I would be more interested in what chemicals I would be exposed to from the processing and coloring of the hides in those cheap labor/dubious ethics countries. I picked up a summer leather jacket from "Jammin'Leather" a couple of years ago and it was not bad at all for the price.

Of course I appreciate the well made high-quality leather jackets and other goods, and prefer them, but the cheapos have their place.

Miguel wrote:

Desmolicious wrote:

'Quality leather' and '$39' are mutually exclusive.

I totally agree - you get what you pay for.
Miguel

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Harvey wrote:

Elwood P. Dowd wrote:

Six feet three and a half inches. Now let's stick to the facts.

Harvey

In 1964 I had a job delivering stationary supplies on a Fuji Rabbit. The people who ran the shop called it "Harvey".

Of course.

You know, now that I think back on it, they were all pretty fond of their alcoholic beverages! The owner in particular was a sweet guy who probably kept a good maintenance level in his blood stream throughout the day.

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