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This generated some interest in another thread Jackets from rockinleather.com?, so I thought I'd repost it as a new topic (easier to find).


From the Sept 1988 "Cycle" magazine article "Abrasion Testing: Torn in the USA".
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Drag Test

"For the Drag Test, samples were stitched to a bag that held a 75-pound
sandbag inside a milk crate, then dragged behind a pickup truck..."

New, 100% Cotton Denim Jeans ----------------------- 3' 10"
Senior Balistic Nylon ----------------------------------- 3' 10"
Leather, Lightweight, Nude Finish, 2.25 oz/sq. ft. --- 4' 3"
Leather, Fashion Weight, 1.75 oz/sq ft. ------------- 4' 4"
Two-year-old 100% Cotton Denim Jeans ------------ 4' 5"
Cordura Nylon Type 440 ----------------------------- 18' 3"
Kevlar 29 Aramid Fiber, Style 713 ------------------ 22' 1"
Leather, Competition Weight, 3 oz/sq. ft. -------- 86' 0"


Taber Test

"For the Taber Test, the specimen was mounted on a rotating platform and
scuffed by two rubber-emery grinding wheels." The numbers represent the
number of revolutions until the fabric totally fails. A vacuum clears
debris.

Two-year-old 100% Cotton Denim Jeans 168
New 100% Cotton Denim Jeans 225
Kevlar 29 Aramid Fiber, Style 713 506
Cordura Nylon, Type 440 559
Leather, Lightweight, Nude Finish, 2.25 oz./sq. ft. 564
Leather, Fashion Weight, 1.75 oz./sq. ft. 750
Senior Ballistic Nylon 817
Leather, Competition Weight, 3 oz./sq. ft. 2600

More to consider...

"Finally, protection from road abrasion cannot be guaranteed by a
materials abrasion resistance alone. A jacket may have panels of
highly abrasion-resistant materials, yet if low-quality stitching joins
those panels and the seams come apart upon impact or during a slide, then
the abrasion resistance of the panels could count for nothing.
Furthermore, an ill-fitting garment may ride up in a slide, contorting
the body and exposing the skin. And the best jacket in the world, left
unzipped and/or unsnapped, won't give riders the protection they pay
for. When it comes to safety, the issues are more complex than just the
abrasion resistance of materials."
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Very interesting. The difference between leather and some of the "advanced" materials is pretty startling.

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Cool info!

More fabrics:
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Tear and Abrasion Strength by the numbers

.............Pounds of force until fabric tears ........Abrasion cycles on pavement until fabric fails
CottonJeans ...................4.5 pounds to tear .............50 cycles to failure
70 Denier Standard Nylon ..4.5 pounds to tear .............165 cycles to failure
500 Denier Polyester ........8 pounds to tear ................180 cycles to failure
200 Denier Standard Nylon 7.5 pounds to tear ..............275 cycles to failure
500 Denier Cordura ..........22 pounds to tear ...............710 cycles to failure
620 Denier Cordura ..........35 pounds to tear ...............1200 cycles to failure
NEW Competition Grade Leather 80-110 pounds to tear ..1200-1700 cycles to failure
1000 Denier Cordura ........110 pounds to tear ..............1780 cycles to failure
Air Mesh Kevlar ..............1260 pounds to tear .............970 cycles to failure
Stretch Kevlar Blend ........420lbs pounds to tear ..........1800 cycles to failure
From: http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/forum/riding-gear/63580-tear-abrasion-strength-clothing.html
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I regret the day I passed on a leather Hein Gericke Euro-collared riding jacket. Ironically the Hein Gericke gauntlet gloves I bought that same day are still in perfect condition. Over twenty years later.

The gloves were 67 bucks on sale back then. The jacket too. Would have been like three and a half for it if I remember correctly...

I don't know what kind of leather Hein Gerkicke uses but its a heavier weight than the traditional biker jacket my mother bought me way back when.

Great, Harvey, Now you've got me interested in those jackets again.

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Though I think the difference between leather and textile is still significant, those numbers are almost 20 years old! There have been some advances in synthetics in that time. Even "Cordura" now includes a wide range of products with different densities an levels of abrasion resistance.
roadbum wrote:
I regret the day I passed on a leather Hein Gericke Euro-collared riding jacket. Ironically the Hein Gericke gauntlet gloves I bought that same day are still in perfect condition. Over twenty years later.

The gloves were 67 bucks on sale back then. The jacket too. Would have been like three and a half for it if I remember correctly...
I like a lot of the Hein Gericke stuff. Too bad they no longer distribute in the US!
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So how do you know you are getting a "competition grade" leather? Is it marked by the oz?
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You'll often find leather rated by thickness in mm- if not on the garment, on the the producers website.
3 oz leather would be roughly 1.2 mm thick.

http://www.chilhowee.net/leather_thickness.html


While leather is the most protective, and pretty much required for racing, Condura is more common for touring. Aerostich has been using 500 Denier Cordura for years with hundreds involved in crashes.


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As an aside, the numbers in that list were taken from the website of a company that sells the stuff that's at the top end (the kevlar stuff). While it's likely to be true, consider it with a grain of salt.
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ericalm wrote:
Though I think the difference between leather and textile is still significant, those numbers are almost 20 years old! There have been some advances in synthetics in that time. Even "Cordura" now includes a wide range of products with different densities an levels of abrasion resistance.
roadbum wrote:
I regret the day I passed on a leather Hein Gericke Euro-collared riding jacket. Ironically the Hein Gericke gauntlet gloves I bought that same day are still in perfect condition. Over twenty years later.

The gloves were 67 bucks on sale back then. The jacket too. Would have been like three and a half for it if I remember correctly...
I like a lot of the Hein Gericke stuff. Too bad they no longer distribute in the US!
+1 on everything you wrote.

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I saw your post in the other thread and went back to it several tiems today. I'm in the market for another jacket and pants and your post was very timely. Thanks for reposting it here making it easier to find when searchin weeks or months from now.
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As an aside, the numbers in that list were taken from the website of a company that sells the stuff that's at the top end (the kevlar stuff). While it's likely to be true, consider it with a grain of salt.
Yes, that makes sense

I posted it for the weaker fabrics
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Race Suit
What are the race suits made with?
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Re: Race Suit
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What are the race suits made with?
Mainly "Leather, Competition Weight" with other materials thrown in to improve the fit
(according to the Nat'l Geographic special yesterday)
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Some food for thought here. So then, why do we spend hundreds on a good jacket to protect the top half of the body, and then wear nothing but blue jeans on our legs?
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Here is some info from the Fieldsheer website. Carbolex and carboflex are their proprietary materials (polyester, I think).

Fabric Testing

This past year we re-tested our existing fabrics along with our new developments in order to reassure our consumers of the effectiveness and proactive ability of our materials.

We submitted fabric swatches of current materials to the largest 3rd party testing facility in Asia, SGS Hong Kong. Under the ASTM D 3886-1999 abrasion testing method, a fabric swatch is placed on inflated diaphragm and above it is a panel with abrasive material which is in constant contact with the fabric swatch. The testing apparatus records the number of cycles/revolutions till the abrasive panel breaks through the fabric.

Our comparison test yielded some surprising yet satisfying results. The test that we chose reflected to us the strength of the fabric when subjected to sliding with the garment on a tarmac surface.

We also don't believe that fabric testing in itself is enough; CE armor, seam construction and other materials of which the garment is constructed make a difference. In addition, Fieldsheer does its own internal tests to try to continually improve all aspects of protection for its garments and with 30 years experience in producing motorcycle garments we believe we do have an edge over our competitors.
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ericalm wrote:
Though I think the difference between leather and textile is still significant, those numbers are almost 20 years old! There have been some advances in synthetics in that time. Even "Cordura" now includes a wide range of products with different densities an levels of abrasion resistance.
roadbum wrote:
I regret the day I passed on a leather Hein Gericke Euro-collared riding jacket. Ironically the Hein Gericke gauntlet gloves I bought that same day are still in perfect condition. Over twenty years later.

The gloves were 67 bucks on sale back then. The jacket too. Would have been like three and a half for it if I remember correctly...
I like a lot of the Hein Gericke stuff. Too bad they no longer distribute in the US!
They have shops here in the UK, and in continental Europe too, I imagine you can find some kit on eBay or something?
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ericalm wrote:
Though I think the difference between leather and textile is still significant, those numbers are almost 20 years old! There have been some advances in synthetics in that time. Even "Cordura" now includes a wide range of products with different densities an levels of abrasion resistance.
roadbum wrote:
I regret the day I passed on a leather Hein Gericke Euro-collared riding jacket. Ironically the Hein Gericke gauntlet gloves I bought that same day are still in perfect condition. Over twenty years later.

The gloves were 67 bucks on sale back then. The jacket too. Would have been like three and a half for it if I remember correctly...
I like a lot of the Hein Gericke stuff. Too bad they no longer distribute in the US!
They have shops here in the UK, and in continental Europe too, I imagine you can find some kit on eBay or something?
eBay sometimes, but buying from overseas means higher prices and not getting to try stuff on. Then again, I buy plenty on eBay that way...

I still regret not taking advantage of some of the HG closeouts when they lost their distributor.

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