Modern Vespa

Don't worry. I'm not in the habit of making martyrs.

Linda, will you please stop! If you don't want to be here just leave.

Jess has a lot of information at his disposal which the rest of us do not! I do not run a forum but I do run my own website. I can see exactly what IP address is used for every single hit on my website. If you don't know anything about how the internet works or know what an IP address is, perhaps you should find out a bit more before accusing Jess (or anyone else) of any "nasty stuff".

I didn't believe in the karma system 100% until this morning. When Yardsale was finally banned, I realized that Jess had achieved his goal and had allowed one of the more obnoxious users to finally hang himself. The system works!

There once was a scooter so yellow
'twas owned by that Yardsale fellow

But Sarah evolved
The mystery solved

And neither is now very mellow

Yardsale is certainly not unique in that respect. Most of us have annoyed someone else at one time or another. Even you. And me.

ive got a multiple personality disorder but youre ok he hates scooters n i wont let him on here

Alice,

I completely agree, I mean you hit the nail right on the head. I think the difference would be that some of us (yes me) took the hint and know that some of my old post's could be polarizing and now I am more thoughtful before I post.

I love this community, I know you were not one of my fan's back in the day and visa versa however I have come to appreciate you and respect you, I think that is the point of this great place.

Cheers,
SDG

T5 I'm surprised your alter-ego doesn't ride a chinese auto scooter


"There once was a scooter so yellow
'twas owned by that Yardsale fellow

But Sarah evolved
The mystery solved

And neither is now very mellow"

Nah. His other personality wears a parka and has lots of mirrors.

Anyone good at photoshop?

you know you can just stop coming on your own.

Jess has greater ability than just to see IP addresses at his disposal that helps with this type of detective work. His programming special code has given him these tools, so it goes beyond what info is typically available to webmasters.

Now I don't feel so bad about thinking Sarah123 was a dingbat. I kinda thought she and Yardsale were a little alike but I didn't expect them to be one and the same.

I've seen this crap at so many other fourms its alway coming with the jerks that think ther are smarter then everyone else.

Of that, I have no doubt Benny! That is exactly what I was trying to say to Linda. I hope she takes some time to think about what she inferred. I consider Linda a friend here on MV ... but that comment was really out of line and unwarranted.

I'm going to miss YardSale ... he had become part of the total forum "experience". I was hoping to see pictures of his new chair.

Perhaps you could pardon him, that would get you promoted from "Petty Tyrant" to "Benevolent Despot"

OK guys, this is L from Jersey

I wasn't planning to post again,
but something strange happened while I was resetting my password,
so I no longer know it

So any messages from L from Jersey are not!
Peace to all, Linda

I'm going to miss him too in a way, he was, um, light-hearted!

But the transgression was done - now off with his head!

You know, its hard to be a benevolent despot if you are constantly being prodded with sticks.

I also fell victim to what I thought was a newbie question from sarah123. What a sad individual.

Not sure how difficult this is:

https://modernvespa.com/forum/faq.php#4

<L> Anne, I thought the same thing!

Anyhoo, good on ya Jess. I like the rules and I LOVE this forum.

<ericidlevoice>
But I like sticks!
</ericidlevoice>

I'll miss you Linda and I'm sorry you simply cannot (or will not) see what happened here. Your comments about "nasty stuff" going on were unwarranted and unfounded. You opted to defend an indefensible abuse of the forum. I hope you will (once again) rethink your departure but to be honest, unless you are willing to go with the flow ...

"If it wasn't for my schizophrenia I'd be really lonely."
-Paula Poundstone


Gee, if I had multiple log on personalities I'd never have made it to my current google-post rating!

The comment was made earlier that YardSale was the target of bullies. That well may be, but his behavior over the past few weeks/months resulted in a wide range of MV members losing patience with him. How he chose to handle the disapprobation - by trying to game the system rather than by trying to clean up his act - is what resulted in his membership(s) being pulled

I'm sure MV-ers who only encountered his posts from time to time didn't see the problem, but those of us involved in threads where he suddenly became active would be inundated with off target, off kilter, and out of context posts. One, two, three....four....a dozen....two dozen posts later even the most calm and laissez-faire amongst us was getting cranky. And while it takes something pretty darn egregious for me to give a thumbs-down, there were times I was so exasperated that I was sorely tempted.

On the theory he was clueless, I tried to gently provide him guidance and information on a number of occasions. (And actually had a member respond that I shouldn't help YardSale because he might stick around.)

At first I used hints and humor, but that had no impact. Next I provided explicit information and friendly pointers. No change. Finally on Sunday - after a surprisingly lucid and on-point run of postings in a single thread - Yardsale suddenly went off the rails out of the blue, complaining that people weren't playing fair because his karma was still negative when he'd been "good" for while. After I questioned who wasn't "playing fair" he responded that his message was for jess or jimc ....neither of whom had ever participated in that thread.

So I explained why his message was aimed at the wrong audience...and his response was so appropriate that it made me wonder - and not for the first time - if his entire online persona was in fact a conscious construct.

It's unfortunate he tried to game the system rather than learning a bit of self-control, but I honestly do believe he earned what happened.

While it is against the forum rules and shouldn't be done i do find it interesting that as Sarah people were kinder to him. He might of just proved the point he was trying to make. I think we should learn from this and really not gang up on people. If you don't like some one don't read any of their stuff. I'm sad that it had to end this way and that it took jess's time to research what happened. Just my thoughts

told you.... he hates scooters ... you should see the fights we have about them

says a hell of a lot about some of the people here.......

Well dup log-ins (we call them sock puppets at another board I moderate) are strictly against the rules and a banable offense, but I kind of feel sorry for him. I haven't been here as long as most of you guys, but he seemed harmless. I was surprised that he stuck around as long as he did despite the thrashings. Usually members like that leave on their own unless they have real problems.

As a recovering jerk poster and a previously often banned 3 year member I'm proof that MV is truly a forgiving place. Due to the kindness displayed here I am aware of the painful self realization that must go on for someone who is being a genuine list asshole to change. I'm also aware that any real community will have citizens/members/posters sporting all sorts of pathologies. My clumsy way of first saying thank you, and a prayer that we continue to afford the opportunity to help and allow change.

Please forgive my 'hallmarkian' response....

i really hope the double standards that exist at mv are addressed by jess its almost like high school here at times. this was highlighted in yardsales lunch thread.

Remember, Sarah123 was freshly minted, only a couple of days old. That people were kind to a newbie should be SOP for MV. People were politely letting a new member get sorted out and reserving judgement during the "honeymoon" period.

And from my observations the majority of MV-ers were NOT "unkind" to YardSale. Frustrated and annoyed, sometimes a bit terse, but most folks tried their level best to ignore the constant provocations, respond politely, and carry on as normal. And that does say "a hell of a lot" about MOST of the people here.

As to the suggestion: That works better in principle than practice. For me at least, the only way I could have avoided many of Yardsale's posts would have been abandon threads in which I was already participating.

It would have been preferable to see YardSale learn some "netiquette" and evolve into a solid community member. He was given ample opportunity to do so. Sadly, for whatever reason, he was unwilling or unable to.

Edited to correct typing errors.

Very well said! I never gave Yardsale a thumbs down ... and I have steadfastly refused to do so to anyone. But he did temp me this past week and the very first time I wrote anything even close to an admonishment, I ended up with the thumbs down! How absurd!

He chose to bring the house down on himself. It's a shame he chose that route but it is done and over with. Yes, I feel sorry for him and I feel badly that Linda has chosen to make herself part of the collateral damage of his ridiculous behaviour. Why either of them chose to do what they did is beyond me ... but life goes on!

When I first found this place I said who the F is this guy. but like any other place we need to learn to take Social Q's now I get you.

I kinda always thought of Yardsale as the guy on the street corner who hangs out and rants and mumbles, but occasionally comes up with true flashes of artistic beauty and insight.

I seriously think he has a behavior/cognitive dysfunctional issue. Bipolar? Aspergers?
Yes, he was annoying.
Yes, he was weird

But he added an odd kind of character to the place and an element of total chaos that amused even as it made me say "WTF" most of the time. Sort of like the five year old at the dinner party who blurts out all the stuff adults are saying to each other in private, but won't repeat face-to-face.

Linda will be back. She's quit, gone over to the bbs, and returned to MV on at lease three, or four occasions. She's not a victim, she's a grown woman who gets angry from time to time just like the rest of us. She doesn't need victim status.

The reason she'll be back is that MV is like a dysfunctional family. Families may may have quirks, they may disagree, they might get on each other's nerves at times, but a family is still a family.

I'm not mistaking MV for my family, it's just an illustration. But really....where else are you going to go? This is by far still the best forum relating to Vespas on the internet. You can get mad and take a break for a while, but sooner or later, if you are a vespa aficionado, you will be back.

Please elaborate on how this had anything to do with a "double standard". Be specific, please.

I'll bet you can't.

QUIP people are not always so kind to new people either. I will disagree on the unkind because some were. It takes all kinds to create a community and altho his comments were out there sometimes he never jumped on anybody. It's just sad and that's just the way i see it.

Scooters.