Modern Vespa

nice one Robert

do you still have the michelins golds on the front??

yep only 9000km's they are still good

Hey mattgordon

Mine is half Dragon Red. It should be a stock colour. I've also done some StreetGlo pinstriping on my bike as well, just to tie in the Graphite Black and Dragon Red paint.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaredmorgs/4386489928/in/set-72157623488947848/

The full photo set (being updated as I complete more pinstriping) is here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaredmorgs/sets/72157623488947848/

This is scary

Maksor I took the cover off my air box to look at the hose and air path. If the hose is removed air will bypass the filter. All the crud on my air filter would have had a free path to the engine. If you have removed this hose and not installed another filter I would not expect your engine to last long with trash getting sucked into it.

Here is mine MP3 250cc pimp out with Eagle and pin stripping.

hmmmm do you have a different airbox???

the hose/pipe my mechanic toke out is the air intake restrictor, it sits in the airbox cover and lets the air in to the airbox so if yours goes past the filter all the air goes past even with the pipe

This drawig looks just like my air box. The hose #12 in the diagram lets air into the box. It passes through plenum of clean air keeping dirty air separate from clean air. The front side of the filter is the side of the filter that is dirty when it is taken out. Then from behind the filter there is a wall to the left separating the plenum from the filter. The hose #12 you have circled has a seal around it that fits against this wall. (This seal is the square piece around the right side of the hose in your picture of the hose.) It goes through the plenum keeping clean and dirty air separate, and connects by a hose clamp where it enters from the front / left of the plenum chamber. Removing the hose opens the plenum to both sides of the filter and allows air to bypass the filter.

EDITED TO CORRECT DIRECTION OF AIR FLOW. PICTURES IN NEXT POST.

Please verify if I am correct. I would hate for you to ruin the beautiful 460cc engine you have created. If there is an error in my logic feel free to correct me. I have reviewed it with two other forum members and looked at it with my mechanic yesterday. He was ready to remove it with me until we looked closer at the air path.

CORRECTION
I had the air flow backwards in previous post but concern remains the same. Air comes into the filter through the removed hose as Maxor stated but the hose takes it through the plenum with clean air going towards the engine.

if its a concern, you can tape that part inside of it will get still more air in then but i've got no problems with it like it is now

Maxsor my concern is for your machine, not mine as I did not remove the hose. Either I am missing something or I am not communicating well. I believe with the hose removed you are bypassing the filter and will ruin your engine.

Someone else step in here and help either point out my error or help in the communication.

Fuzzy it spot on with his findings. If you remove the air inlet hose your are bypassing the filter period. it would be the same as removing the whole air box and just let the air in thru the #8 hose/tube. You are taking huge risks by not filtering the inlet air to the scoot's intake. please reassess this mod.

A mod without reason is just mad.
Stick with stock unless your solution is clearly superior. 8)

Mad mods may come down to an individual's definition of 'superior', but in this case it appears clearly there's substantial and perhaps unintended risk.

I agree with Fuzzy's last conclusion. Removing the little tube will completely bypass the filter.

Pics of my mp3 250ie LT

with:
Fabbri mid windscreen
Foldable Givi base
Givi V46 Case
Back rest for V46
Leovince 4road Exhaust




Gallery:
http://yfrog.com/1720100309034jx

PS The sound of the 4road is just awesome!

very nice!

i talked to my mechanic and he said that there is an other filter in the hose/pipe near the inlet of the engine it can't harm my engine

i don't know if he put in there or if its stock

I may ride in a dirtier area than you but in 2,000 thousand miles the large foam filter is very dirty and covered with things like bits of grass and leaves. If yours is a cone filter at the entrance to the pipe and inside the air box it may work but would be a small cone filter to fit inside the box.

Your description indicates to me there is a filter inside the pipe. If so it is only a fraction of the cross section area of the OEM filter and would need to be cleaned very often like every other tank of gas. I am skeptical a filter with a cross section of a few centimeters would be able to filter dust and not restrict air flow. If you can do so without risking your relationship with the mechanic I recommend asking to see the filter.

you need to ensure its there as it is not a stock option.

It is absolutely the best seat you can get, in my humble opinion. No more tired butt.

latest mods

Because my mechanic adjusted the Rapid bike it needed more air

SO a K&N

and i allways wanted the Vario/belt cover in black sprayed that one also



next mod painting the plastic front top headlight cover and little stock windscreen in Piaggio 98/a black metallic

That seat it a ting of beaty, unfortunaty the GTS seats they make look like sh*it.

nice job on the K&N. How do you like the throaty sound of the intake now. I like mine.
You need some Bitubos as they look so much better than those stock shocks and so many more adjustments for fine tuning.

EDIT: I am working on a special overall mod with the help of another forum member, and as soon as I get the go ahead I'll post a pic for ya'll to drool over.

Mod?...Complete overhaul!

@OAD its a extremely load i'm not sure i will keep it. the sound the filter makes is louder then the exhaust and that one was all ready loud

But it Runs great now

Did some autobahn today and i need an other speedo this one stops at 180km and it is faster now it takes me the same time to get to 170km, then when it was a stock 400 and doing 150 Wow

i've ordered a RC-9720 and that one is a Ovale Filter with a pipe Ø 85 by 65mm made a pipe of PVC 4cm long and shaped it to the 85 by 65mm with a paintstripper the other end is 60mm

jimc you got a GP800 will that unit work on a MP3 ????


edit :

my rpm figures with the speed on the speedo

and a tip from my mechanic if you want pulling power in the lower RPM's leaf the original hose as it is fit the Filter to the hose

If you want pulling power in the higher RPM's fit the filter to the throttle body with out the hose

100 km = 5000 RPM

130km is 6000 RPM

150km is 7000 RPM

170km is allmost 8000 rpm

my limiter kicks in at 9000 RPM didn't try it yet to reache that

i can reach those speeds because i fitted a 150/70/14 rear and the 17 gram DR-P's and the K&N

Latest mod

Increasingly fed up with 'helpful' people telling me I have a headlight out, and the general lack of symmetry is causing me deep personal offence. I am getting ready to attempt The Nico Conversion. I want two dipped headlights and then two main-beam headlights controlled by the normal switches

Is it possible to assemble the necessary parts and then make it 'plug and play', perhaps passing my headlight unit on to the next person who wants to do the same.

I suppose for that we would need a parts list, and a reference back to the very clear instructions elsewhere in this forum, 4 Headlights in a 400 unit.

Love this thread.

Fay

fay did you only take out the light unit or did you toke it apart also?

first buy these lights or same kind
http://www.optitune.nl/koplamp-twin-90mm-chroom-p-11350.html?cPath=710_3_24


take the rear of so your left with the chromering, reflector and glass, you see a lip that's your mounting point


with a small knife or screwdrive you can open the unit, the inner housing with the glass clicks in the under housing its sealed by a rubberseal you don't have to cut in to it


iff you done that, draw lines along the stock reflectors as a reference / guideline


remove the stock reflectors


Drill a whole


and bolt the new lights in bend them a littlebit, so they are on the lines that you drawed in the housing and they are set at the right hight and angle

Reconnect the wires and you can putt it back together again

all most forgot this picture

I have done nothing yet, but I now know myself well enough to know that it will take me a long time.

So, Ideally I want to buy all the spares, build the unit, and then take out the old unit putting the new one straight in. Leaving me with a spare unit to pass on to the next person who wants to do the same.

QED................, W,ABED

(QED Quite Easily Done) (W,ABED Well, A Bit Easily Done.)

fay

if you got the money buy a spare light unit amd pley with that one

Where can I get the front bottom light? They don't come on the US models?

no it for the LT version's you can order it here
http://www.easyparts.nl/choosesubmodel/15/4060/0-968-1-m420-m2091-m2468-m4060/MP3_400_ie_LT.html

and the light thays used is from the fuoco / 500

That does look good 8)

thnx next week lightcover will be sprayed piaggio 98/a

Maksor, I love it! Very Sharp looking! 8)

That indeed is the plan.

Question is, can we (ahem, you) create a parts list of the things I should order before starting. We have the photographs on the forum and they will be a big help.

But questions remain.

Do I understand that there are two different light units, the original and the one from the new Mp3400 which is shinier. Are they interchangeable and which looks better?

Then I have to get..... "1 H4 and 1 H7 in the netherlands officialy you have to fit them a motorcycle isn't aloud to have 2 highbeams here

But i've ordered the 2× H4 type"..........?

Then:-

"Have to make 3 brackets to fit them and then they will be adjustable"

Presumably a fabrication job from sheet acrylic and plastic weld.....?

Ooooops looks like you are already on the case......Might have to edit this out.

right, found the thread where it is all so beautifully set out.

Thanks 'Maksor' will make a start.
Fay