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Meh. I gave up on that a long time ago. Being BFF with a bunch of crotchety old vintage guys who loudly deride anyone who isn't exactly like them isn't so much fun after all.
Well we know what cool is and you ain't it

FTR we're all saying fuck off to scooters and getting into these instead:

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We're just going to camping rallies from now on. We'll still call them scooter rallies but hardly anyone will bring scooters other than one or two people who bring shitty ones to do this with:

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and we'll sit around making fun of people who still think scooters are awesome modes of transportation and get drunk.

See? Chicks dig me:

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Your Karma on the BBS just shit the bed.
Shit ..does that mean i'm going to have to set some plastic bike aflame to regain my stature?


I dunno. I think i've just realized it's far more productive to try to convince people that vintage scooters are a viable, cool thing rather than try to convince people who have modern scooters that their scooter is uncool.

If you don't like the fact that modern scooters make up an increasing percentage of rally attendees, then really you should be doing something to boost the vintage scene to compensate for that, not try to knock the wind out of the modern one or tell them they're not allowed in.

That's my standpoint, and it's what i try to do every day - try to make people love the old bikes the same way i do.

You've done the same by starting the Corsa race - that's a positive step.
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I dunno. I think i've just realized it's far more productive to try to convince people that vintage scooters are a viable, cool thing rather than try to convince people who have modern scooters that their scooter is uncool.

If you don't like the fact that modern scooters make up an increasing percentage of rally attendees, then really you should be doing something to boost the vintage scene to compensate for that, not try to knock the wind out of the modern one or tell them they're not allowed in.

Well said!
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I think i've just realized it's far more productive to try to convince people that vintage scooters are a viable, cool thing rather than try to convince people who have modern scooters that their scooter is uncool.
This.

I know I commented earlier about the most sensible thing I had heard all day. I was wrong. Or, at least, premature.
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I dunno. I think i've just realized it's far more productive to try to convince people that vintage scooters are a viable, cool thing rather than try to convince people who have modern scooters that their scooter is uncool.

You've done the same by starting the Corsa race - that's a positive step.
I don't think modern scooters are uncool. I think they're too expensive for what I would do to them, which is wreck them by dropping them on the sidewalk trying to make happy hour. Also if I can't tear down a motor and put it back together in 6-8 hours I'm not interested in it. At that point it ceases to be a viable fun hobby and is instead something I have to send to someone specialized then wait weeks for it to get back to me then write them a check.

It's many of the -people- who are uncool. I know I'll be negged out the ass for that one but naming scooters, having scooter songs, toot toot tooting in tunnels, having matching Vespa gear from Dome of Obedience to chaps, yakking on about Toreador Pants to ride a block to pick up a six pack, complaining that the raffle isn't at 7 pm so they can go home and get a good night's rest and, well, just being f'ing Nerds.

I know many of MVers aren't like that, but damn, many are. Just read the threads reposted over on the BBS from here

I mean to go a pretty much modern Vespa rally and then go to PVSC - THAT's the difference in a nutshell. I just get along better with the PVSC type people or the Rabble Rousers in Philly, or the Sole Survivors and, hell, probably the Rovers if I actually wasn't too lazy to get to Detroit for a rally. Hell I'd probably get along with Jess if he wasn't so keen on marketing Nerdom and Sensitivity to an entire populace swayed by a clever marketing campaign so he can make money the more people he gets visiting his site... Nerd emoticon

Just different folks is all. Different attitudes about life.

But shit, I'm friends with a lot of them, nerds that they are. I just don't like them in groups.
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Yeah...i don't know where to go with this now.

I mean, i agree with you. There's nerds on modern scooters.. but there's a lot of cool kids too. There's also a ton of douchebags on vintage bikes ... and there's a ton of cool people, too.


But, really, what does this have to do with anything?
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Yeah...i don't know where to go with this now.

I mean, i agree with you. There's nerds on modern scooters.. but there's a lot of cool kids too. There's also a ton of douchebags on vintage bikes ... and there's a ton of cool people, too.


But, really, what does this have to do with anything?
Nothing. Thread drift.

Jess started it by saying I hate modern scooters.
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Yeah...i don't know where to go with this now.

I mean, i agree with you. There's nerds on modern scooters.. but there's a lot of cool kids too. There's also a ton of douchebags on vintage bikes ... and there's a ton of cool people, too.


But, really, what does this have to do with anything?
Nothing. Thread drift.

Jess started it by saying I hate modern scooters.
you also hate puppies and kittens, bunnies, baby Jesus and America.

And Christmas.

And cannonball.
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Also if I can't tear down a motor and put it back together in 6-8 hours I'm not interested in it.
This is a textbook case of misapplying the ideals of one world onto the reality of another. The need to tear down engines in the modern world has been greatly reduced by some pretty decent engineering. It's rare, in fact. I'd wager that more engine tear downs are necessitated by people ganking the end of the crank shaft with a bad variator install than anything else.

They may be more complicated than a 2T scooter engine, but then so is any current lawn mower. The 4T engines in modern Vespas are no more complicated than any motorcycle engine produced today.
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It's many of the -people- who are uncool. I know I'll be negged out the ass for that one but naming scooters, having scooter songs, toot toot tooting in tunnels
Bah, let the people have fun. They're enjoying themselves. Who are you to say they can't have a good time?
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Just read the threads reposted over on the BBS from here
What's ScooterBBS? Never heard of it. Is that one of those old-timey dial-up things they used to have before the internet?
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Hell I'd probably get along with Jess if he wasn't so keen on marketing Nerdom and Sensitivity to an entire populace swayed by a clever marketing campaign so he can make money the more people he gets visiting his site... Nerd emoticon
Take a look at the top of the page and tell me how much money you think I can generate from dead air. The finances of this site are an abysmal black hole. I'm okay with that, actually -- it's my contribution to the greater good. But the idea that I'm making any money from the site is just about the most stupid thing you've ever said.
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you also hate puppies and kittens, bunnies, baby Jesus and America.

And Christmas.

And cannonball.
I like puppies and kittens. Bunnies are tolerable but better in a stew.

Baby Jesus is always characterized as a blue eyed honkey so I hate America for that (and Europe.)

I love Christmas.

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I love the CORSA IFP > Cannonball.
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Take a look at the top of the page and tell me how much money you think I can generate from dead air. The finances of this site are an abysmal black hole. I'm okay with that, actually -- it's my contribution to the greater good. But the idea that I'm making any money from the site is just about the most stupid thing you've ever said.
That whole thing was the stupidest thing you ever said if you think I was actually serious that I thought you made money off this place. I guess I chose the wrong emoticon.

Good Christ Jessifer.
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I mean ...i make good money now ... but someday i want to make Modern Vespa money.
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I know many of MVers aren't like that, but damn, many are. Just read the threads reposted over on the BBS from here
I have had the opportunity to ride and spend time with several of the people you regularly and routinely denigrate under the above screen name. (Yes, we know who your alter ego is, even if you claim otherwise elsewhere) Rather sharp folks, mechanically astute and damn good riders. They haven't found the need to set up a separate forum here to denigrate the childishness that occurs on other Boards. They are not threatened by the other groups' existence, and thus go on with their lives as they see fit.

There is more to enjoying these Modern riders' company than riding and talking scooters, as well. It's pleasant to view a 3,000 year old antiquity with someone who understands what it is about, for example. Or discuss culinary arts, or fine wines, enjoy a good Souma or just get downright silly.

Now, I've been a shifty Vespa owner/rider for 51 years now (with a Lambretta thrown in for good measure). There wasn't a "scene" for the first 20 or so years I rode. That's a Johnny-Come-Lately manifestation. I have no problems with the fact that some folks conjured up a vintage "scene" to give themsleves an identity. If it makes them happy to be happy in a "scene", then let them be happy. Even if their form of happiness has to arise from slinging crap at others.

In the words of that great Patience and Prudence song, "Got along without ya before I met ya, I can get along without you now."

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I have had the opportunity to ride and spend time with several of the people you regularly and routinely denigrate under the above screen name. (Yes, we know who your alter ego is, even if you claim otherwise elsewhere)
Claim otherwise elsewhere where?
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Rather sharp folks, mechanically astute and damn good riders. They haven't found the need to set up a separate forum here to denigrate the childishness that occurs on other Boards. They are not threatened by the other groups' existence, and thus go on with their lives as they see fit.
Actually the separate forum on the BBS was set up for owners of NEW Vespas who didn't want to come to MV.Com. A bunch of people banned from here kind of overtook it and turned it into what it is now - a place to bitch about MV, but that certainly wasn't the intent of it.

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There is more to enjoying these Modern riders' company than riding and talking scooters, as well. It's pleasant to view a 3,000 year old antiquity with someone who understands what it is about, for example. Or discuss culinary arts, or fine wines, or enjoy a good Souma.
That would indicate someone who rides vintage doesn't appreciate those things. Having my major in Greek and Latin (minor in Religion and Composition) I dare say I enjoy a 3000 year old antiquity.
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Now, I've been a shifty Vespa owner/rider for 51 years now (with a Lambretta thrown in for good measure). There wasn't a "scene" for the first 20 or so years I rode. That's a Johnny-Come-Lately manifestation. I have no problems with the fact that some folks conjured up a vintage "scene" to give themsleves an identity. If it makes them happy to be happy in a "scene", then let them be happy. Even if their form of happiness has to arise from slinging crap at others.

In the words of that great Patience and Prudence song, "Got along without ya before I met ya, I can get along without you now."

Be well

Al
Al sometimes you need to look a bit to see the humor and good-natured ribbing in things instead of being so damned serious.
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I dare say I enjoy a 3000 year old antiquity.
Many of his romantic liaisons would indicate this to be true as well.

Mike coined the term "GILF", IIRC.

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I dare say I enjoy a 3000 year old antiquity.
Many of his romantic liaisons would indicate this to be true as well.

Mike coined the term "GILF", IIRC.

Nice.

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I have had the opportunity to ride and spend time with several of the people you regularly and routinely denigrate under the above screen name. (Yes, we know who your alter ego is, even if you claim otherwise elsewhere)
Claim otherwise elsewhere where?

Perhaps here?

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I get reported on all the time...

I think it's funny many haven't figured out I'm CORSA IFP even though Eric has stated as such and calls me Mike.

But then again, many are clueless...
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How is that claiming anything?

You're indicating I am somehow trying to hide the fact that I am AirborneVespa. I'm not. I was remarking in that post that it's funny some people haven't made the connection yet, but I've never HIDDEN it from anyone nor have I ever denied it.

I registered as CORSA IFP over here (after being banned years ago as AirborneMike) because some douche stole my artwork for the CORSA IFP race in June and I was telling them to stop.

Then I realized how much you people needed me so I stayed.
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Dudes this is getting retarded.

Can't we go back to saying a 1200cc inline 4 touring vespa would suck nads?

Plus you'd hella snap belts all the time.

Puppy haters.
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Dudes this is getting retarded.

Can't we go back to saying a 1200cc inline 4 touring vespa would suck nads?

Plus you'd hella snap belts all the time.

Puppy haters.
I agree.

Is the pissing contest over yet so we can get back on subject?



I was at the Willow Glen Founder's day parade with the VCLG crew, and I jokingly made a remark that someone should develop a biodiesel scoot so we would smell like fries as we went down the street.

Now, a diesel engine would be a difficult thing to fit onto a scooter frame, but this could be a workable project, no?
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Then I realized how much you people needed me so I stayed.
be careful with that one, stud. Last person who said that was Thom, who to this day I lament the loss of.
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The fellow who delivered our water before we went on the city mains had a diesel powered pump on his new truck, and I would bet that the engine was small enough to wicker into a scooter capable size. No idea of HP.

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complaining that the raffle isn't at 7 pm so they can go home and get a good night's rest and, well, just being f'ing Nerds.
Hey, some of us get sleepy, alright. Not everyone that wakes up early is a nerd. There are Marines and garbage men and ...uh... other people... I'm sure of it. So there.
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Now, a diesel engine would be a difficult thing to fit onto a scooter frame, but this could be a workable project, no?
What would a girl know about pissing contests?

I gave a 64 VBB frame to a dude who was going to take it to Argentina to his friend's shop and install a Diesel engine in it.

Haven't heard from him recently though.
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ridiculous
maybe its not my place since im new here but i feel like i need to quell this argument by saying that nothing is 'cooler' because it is older(or newer for that matter). If this were the case I guess I'd better get out of the music biz because all the good stuff must already have been made, right?

your vintage vespa was a new vespa at one point. turning against each other in this way is insane. this is the same lineage of bikes here. I could understand a harley guy berrating a kawasaki ninja rider but jeez...

I love vintage bikes but dont have the time to put into them so I have a 'modern' vespa. It might not be as authentic but at the same time it has its pluses. i mean...at least i'm not producing more emissions than a hummer...
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That would indicate someone who rides vintage doesn't appreciate those things. Having my major in Greek and Latin (minor in Religion and Composition) I dare say I enjoy a 3000 year old antiquity.
was it music composition?? so can you write polyphonic liturgical music??? with lyrics?? Eyelashes emoticon

farking hell. i thought my major was obscure What The? emoticon i take my hat off to you sir....or should i say capio meus hat off vobis sir. (i think)
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was it music composition?? so can you write polyphonic liturgical music??? with lyrics??
Now why would I want to write vintage crap like that?
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What I'd like to see is the 250 lump in the S/LX frame. Which won't happen.
Crying or Very sad emoticon I've found my soul mate Crying or Very sad emoticon

It'll be awesome if they can squeeze the 250 (or dare I say... 300?) into the LX/S frame. But yes, it won't happen. I'll be happy with a 150cc 4-valve twin-cylinder engine with optional flux capacitor add-on though Clown emoticon
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I've sniggered my way through the last two pages. So many truths, so much fiction.

PS I'd also like a 250 in a smaller frame. ET with more power, I want it.
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I too would like a smaller scoot with more power - the GTS has a fat arse which means that filtering is no longer quite as effortless as it once was.

As for the modern versus vintage shit so long as I get a tube train that is older than I am then I shall never care. Britain is enough of a museum without arguing more crap should be preserved.
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that's exactly why i won't buy a 250 or a 300. they are too big. i want something the size of an et with a 250 in it.
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that's exactly why i won't buy a 250 or a 300. they are too big. i want something the size of an et with a 250 in it.
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How is it better? Does it have the same "set the controls for Jupiter" action that the Runner does?
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chad wrote:
that's exactly why i won't buy a 250 or a 300. they are too big. i want something the size of an et with a 250 in it.
Wow... we might be getting something approaching a consensus here!

OK, what are the limitations? Would a Quasar engine fit in an ET/LX-size chassis if the tranny were shortened? Would the liquid cooling system take up too much room?

I'm sure there are those who would like bigger wheels, but I'm not one of them, as that would head things back into the realm of the GT/GTS and would reduce the size of the pet carrier if the wheelbase were kept short and nimble.

I think everyone would agree that rear disk brakes would be a necessity.

Personally, I'd be ecstatically happy with an air-cooled, 4-valve, fuel-injected 190 - 200cc engine in the LX chassis if Piaggio were willing to make the investment in a new engine design (or even to modify the Leader).
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Wonder Machine wrote:
chad wrote:
that's exactly why i won't buy a 250 or a 300. they are too big. i want something the size of an et with a 250 in it.
Gilera Runner 200:

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Blech! Vespa form factor please...
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Wonder Machine wrote:
How is it better? Does it have the same "set the controls for Jupiter" action that the Runner does?
Nah, more like set the controls for Uranus. Razz emoticon All joking aside it is probably more GTS sized. I saw one today in a bay and though it looked cool. Especially from the front end. Really quite agressive..

Italjet dragster 180 does of course push all the buttons.... but that's old hat!
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Silver Streak wrote:
OK, what are the limitations? Would a Quasar engine fit in an ET/LX-size chassis if the tranny were shortened? Would the liquid cooling system take up too much room?
I think it is the larger wheels which are the reason for the lengthened transmission. A quasar with a shortened one and a 10" wheel would probably fit. So would the cooling system if they lost the glovebox. Someone has already shoehorned the GTS engine into an LX I believe. Can't find the post though.
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Silver Streak wrote:
OK, what are the limitations? Would a Quasar engine fit in an ET/LX-size chassis if the tranny were shortened?
Barely. Not without modifications, anyway. It fits, mostly.

Shortening the transmission would help, but the length of the transmission is fixed by the size of the rear wheel.
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Would the liquid cooling system take up too much room?
You'd probably lose the glovebox in front. On the LX, no great loss.
Silver Streak wrote:
Personally, I'd be ecstatically happy with an air-cooled, 4-valve, fuel-injected 190 - 200cc engine in the LX chassis if Piaggio were willing to make the investment in a new engine design (or even to modify the Leader).
I think air-cooled is probably out of the question there. Other than that, it would probably sell like hotcakes.
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