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keithhr wrote:
i had a minor accident with my MP3 250 and the mp3 steering is a double sided clamp, one left and one right that presses against the rod from two sides, like a sandwhich which is the steering bar. It is apparently designed to loosen with slight impact to not damage any linkage components and it is easy to tighten after taking off the cover hiding it. It is similar to the type of clamp used in attaching an antenna to a chimney mount clamp. two pieces of metal going around a bar with a double set of screws to clamp each side independently. After my minor incident the steering had a huge amount of play in it and I was afraid that I had broken some component in my steering links, but no. It is a rather brilliant design, letting go but not damaging the connection.
This is great. I just read through all the posts and quite frankly I can NOT tell what I should do if I need to. Too many opinions. What did you do exactly? That is key to me. I would like to know that. I do not have an issue but I might..........it would help. I noticed your comment about a brillant design. I agree, but if you could give the specifics....that would help me in the event I have an issue. I keep a catalog of good posts that help me and I would like to know your comments please. Piaggio has many brilliant designs. Thanks.
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Loose handle bar!
I have a 2009 MP3 500 and have noticed play in the steering that seems to be getting worse and quite scary! Did Piaggio/Vespa come out with a recall? I've done a lot of searching on this site and can't find anything about a recall. If not, is the owner's manual info sufficient to DIY since I am capable, but don't have a torque wrench.

Thank you in advance for any help/ideas/etc!
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Re: Loose handle bar!
maturegent3 wrote:
I have a 2009 MP3 500 and have noticed play in the steering that seems to be getting worse and quite scary! Did Piaggio/Vespa come out with a recall? I've done a lot of searching on this site and can't find anything about a recall. If not, is the owner's manual info sufficient to DIY since I am capable, but don't have a torque wrench.

Thank you in advance for any help/ideas/etc!
Read both
MP3-500: Exposed Steering Head Bearings (newbie)
Play in steering - should I be worried?
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Re: Loose handle bar!
maturegent3 wrote:
I have a 2009 MP3 500 and have noticed play in the steering that seems to be getting worse and quite scary! Did Piaggio/Vespa come out with a recall? I've done a lot of searching on this site and can't find anything about a recall. If not, is the owner's manual info sufficient to DIY since I am capable, but don't have a torque wrench.

Thank you in advance for any help/ideas/etc!
no recall. simple adjustment. you can DIY see the specs in the service manual.
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Re: I've just been through this, good news
keithhr wrote:
i had a minor accident with my MP3 250 and the mp3 steering is a double sided clamp, one left and one right that presses against the rod from two sides, like a sandwhich which is the steering bar. It is apparently designed to loosen with slight impact to not damage any linkage components and it is easy to tighten after taking off the cover hiding it. It is similar to the type of clamp used in attaching an antenna to a chimney mount clamp. two pieces of metal going around a bar with a double set of screws to clamp each side independently. After my minor incident the steering had a huge amount of play in it and I was afraid that I had broken some component in my steering links, but no. It is a rather brilliant design, letting go but not damaging the connection.
This design sounds different than that on the 500. Have a picture?
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I was thinking about doing the same thing ponydrvr
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Does anyone know what the inside diameter of the center steering tube is when new? I'm thinking of fabricating an insert. Why? Just cause!
If you are thinking about doing it, I would highly recommend doing it before you experience an issue. Despite the workaround, my steering clamp is still defective. To get the clamp tight enough to not slip, torque much higher than that specified in the manual needs to be applied. My theory is that once the column is damaged, the inner diameter will be less than original. At that point whatever you fit into it, no matter how snug will only serve to keep the inner diameter from getting smaller. To truly fix it, you would need to get something that matches the original inner diameter and force it into the opening. Given the apparent weakness of the column, forcing something into it doesn't sound very appealing either. So I think it's best to address this defect before it comes up.

As for my situation, I think the column diameter has decreased enough that the clamp is simply past the point where it would have maximum leverage and that's why so much torque is required now to get it to grasp securely. I have been trying to come up with a solution since I believe it is just a matter of time before the clamp slips one day. What I need to do is find some way to increase the column diameter yet at the same time not compromise the ability of the clamp to grip to the column. So far, the only plausible solution I have come up with draws from my experience installing the Springer (http://www.springeramerica.com/) on my bike's seat post and a Magellan Meridian GPS on my bike handlebar years back. The Springer attaches to the seat post via a clamp. Since seat post come in varying diameters, the Springer comes with several plastic wraps that can be layered around the seat post to increase the diameter (see Step 1 in the manual here: http://www.springeramerica.com/instructions.asp). The Magellan Meridian GPS bike handlebar mount was also a metal clamp on a metal tube scenario: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00005QSQP/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=172526&s=gps. It came with a piece of rubber to wrap around the handlebar so that better grip could be achieved between the clamp and the handlebar tube than if it was just metal on metal. So my idea is to get a piece of EPDM rubber and wrap it around the steering column and then tighten the clamp around that. The rubber should get the column's outer diameter back to the original and then the clamp should be back in the range where it has the necessary leverage to grip firmly at the manufacturer specified torque. The rubber should also help improve grip and avoid slippage without overtorquing the clamp.

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I would definitely NOT use rubber to wrap the steering column. Especially EPDM. If you must wrap something .... replace the column! Your issues likely stem from a previous drop and someone simply strong arming the bolt instead of torque wrench setting.

At this point, if it were mine, replace the steering column.

A "fix" would be to remove the handlebars. Then fabricate an expansion plug to restore.

Using vernier calipers measure the sidewall thickness. Then the existing ID at the top of the stem. Then again at the bottom just above the top bearings. The difference in these two measurements should indicate the amount of crush in the column.

Multiply the wall thickness by 2 and subtract that from the larger OD measure. That should get you very close to the needed plug size.

For best results you will need a machine shop to fabricate this expansion plug and the the permanent plug to maintain the dimension.

All this is being said is based on the unknown of the condition of the tightening bolt and nut.
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ponydrvr wrote:
I would definitely NOT use rubber to wrap the steering column. Especially EPDM. If you must wrap something .... replace the column! Your issues likely stem from a previous drop and someone simply strong arming the bolt instead of torque wrench setting.

At this point, if it were mine, replace the steering column.

A "fix" would be to remove the handlebars. Then fabricate an expansion plug to restore.

Using vernier calipers measure the sidewall thickness. Then the existing ID at the top of the stem. Then again at the bottom just above the top bearings. The difference in these two measurements should indicate the amount of crush in the column.

Multiply the wall thickness by 2 and subtract that from the larger OD measure. That should get you very close to the needed plug size.

For best results you will need a machine shop to fabricate this expansion plug and the the permanent plug to maintain the dimension.

All this is being said is based on the unknown of the condition of the tightening bolt and nut.
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Thank you all so much for your ideas and suggestions and experiences. I did DIY and just tightened the clamp enough to be sure there was no 'slippage'. I agree some sort of strong metal plug should be provided by Piaggio to fix this obvious design fault. My clamp has a fair amount of adjustment room left so I'm not too worried about it getting too stretched to work.

I am still worried about the handlebar becoming loose again just from normal riding. It makes sense to me that the force needed to turn two wheels is a lot greater than just one wheel; especially at very low speeds or standing still. This puts lots of extra force on the steering tube.

Clearly, IMHO, Piaggio should at least provide the proper insert for this fix and I will pursue contacting them about it.

Thanks again for all you help and I'll report back if Piaggio responds.
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had same problem with my handle bars, i bade a plug with a small sholder id of tube i2 .850 thousands insert plug and tighten the clamp to proper specs without worry about crushing the tube, ps bad digsn by piggiao ,trying to save money at your health and expense.my steering had so much play only because clamp was loose quick fix anyone need plug send me a pm and i wilt make you one mike one less thing to worry about.
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ironmike350 wrote:
had same problem with my handle bars, i bade a plug with a small sholder id of tube i2 .850 thousands insert plug and tighten the clamp to proper specs without worry about crushing the tube, ps bad digsn by piggiao ,trying to save money at your health and expense.my steering had so much play only because clamp was loose quick fix anyone need plug send me a pm and i wilt make you one mike one less thing to worry about.
great fix Mike, can you post some pics of it for all to see?
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hi does any one have any machine shop plans , a you tube video , or pictures?

thanks
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nick1 wrote:
hi does any one have any machine shop plans , a you tube video , or pictures?

thanks
what are you needing? Which MP3 do you have its hard to tell if you don't put it in your profile
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still making the steering plugs for the mp3 250 400 and 500
I am still making the steering plugs for the mp3 250 400 and 500. They work great just ask the guys that got them. I have a machine and I make the plugs so you can fix this problem. Read my posts on the subject the plug sells for 25 US and 7 dollars shipping have some made and ready to go. You can send the money to my palpal account and i will ship out the plug you need for your bike the next day, email address mlafer@sc.rr.com specify which bike you have. Sincerly mike Lafer AKA ironmike350
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hi can you steer me to your post. . . no pun intended. . .
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