Modern Vespa

There is much more than that, we can't get into on the board. He is a threat to the security of our country is about all I can say on here. Think of Hitler being across that little channel again.

Wayne B

why I don't buy Citgo is I don't want my money going to his pockets. If you need more info you'll have to do your own research and make your own decsion.

Just for the record I don't care either way about Hugo Chavez, a question was asked and I responded. I don't even think I've seen a Citco Product in my area.

I don't do politics

It is somewhat ineffectual to not patronize a particular brand of gas, since most stations get their fuel from distribution centers that buy their stock of fuel from low bidders on the market.

I have seen a tanker from a local distributor stop at a Getty station, and then go a block and fill the tanks at a Citgo. The distributor was not associated with either brand, but was just a broker. Both stations sold the same fuel, under different brands at slightly different prices.

You are 100% correct. Ding Ding, we have a network of undergrond pumping and storage for oil and fuel. the additive package is what makes the brand.

I worked 10 years in a refinery 2 years oil field and 9 years power generation. so I think I know just a bit about it.

I don't have a problem with the gas quality, I just don't want my money going to Chavez thru proffits.

I think Venezuela accounts for about 10% of total oil imports in the US, so they make far far more money from their direct crude sales than from their share of gas station profits. And since most refineries don't really differentiate between oil from various sources, one can conveniently assume that on average 10% of every gallon of gasoline pumped from any gas station is Venezuelan, and so are the profits from it. Basically, anyone who really doesn't want to subsidize Chavez is better off using a bike than a motorized vehicle. On the other hand, if the thought of boycotting Citgo (or whoever) makes someone feel better psychologically, lowers their blood pressure and gives them a sense of higher purpose, all the better for them.

[EDIT: Rereading this post, I think the last sentence may sound sarcastic, but I am sincere. And I am a Nestle boycotter myself, which I think is just about as effective as a Citgo boycott, but boy do I feel virtuous every time I pass on a Crunch bar! )

Pot..kettle..off-topic..sorry but I couldn't bite my tongue any longer.

There's traditionally a lot of dangerous communists in Italy as well. How about boycotting Vespa? In fact, communism was stronger in Italy in the post-war yrs and through to the 70's, which I guess makes vintage Vespas really evil.

Man, if you boycotted everyone who thought GWB was some sort of devil, it must have been pretty tough the last few years. Welcome back to the rest of the world.

Ding ding ding.

Not to mention when you fill up those tiny tanks from one of those stations that has a single hose for three different levels of gas, the entire hose-length (probably half a gallon) is filled with whatever gas the last person used, which means, in this economy, 87 Octane

So if you think you're getting all 91 you're wrong. If you fill up from dead empty about 1/4 to 1/3 of your tank is going to be whatever was in the hose before.

Standard of Safety for Hose and Hose Assemblies for Dispensing Flammable Liquids
Calculate total product volume in full hose
A. Standard Coax (inner product, outer vapor) ID = OD-(2*hose thickness) = 0.375
Total product volume = volume of inner hose = (pi) (ID/2)2 (12*L)
= 13.253594 cubic inches
= 0.0076699 cubic feet
= 0.0573786 gallons

I stand corrected.

See, Len? I'm not always right.

I just put in 1 gallon of 87 Octane/Regular Gas by accident. I realized mid-pump so my tank is 3/4's full. Will let you know if I notice a difference...

G

You probably won't notice a difference, as I said before earlier in this thread. Run it out and refill with 91.

Will do.

Thanks NightWing.

Cheers,

Gianni

I never said I was boycutting hime because of communism, I never stated a reason why. So back up.

that is why I look at the pumps and see what was last sold and when I find a 93 one that is the one I use. Also I do look for the stations that have 3 seperate nozzles

I use the highest octane available, usually 93 at BP. I don't care that it's a few cents higher in price when I buy less than 2 gallons a week. I have been stuck using Casey's gas more than a few times on the road since often they are the only source of fuel in rural Kansas towns, and many of then have only 10% ethanol blends available. It's either use the E10 or run dry, so I've used E10 a few times, and have suffered no ill effects.

Doesn't Chavez give 100 gallons of free heating oil to 180,000 poor American households per year (in 2008, including Indian tribes)?

Just asking.

Cheers,
Bob

my apologies. carry on with your private boycott-which-dare-not-speak-its-name. Voldemort - oops, Chavez - will be hurtin good.

I always use the highest octane available. Just wish they would stop putting ethanol in it.