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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:41:54 +0000
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Sometimes we in the PC world get it so horribly wrong that we have to laugh at ourselves, and this is just one of those times. My humble apologies to anybody who's offended, but apparently this is a real product that is expected to be welcomed by corporate American IT buyers.
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:45:20 +0000
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it's not the worst of ideas i've ever seen... or am i missing something?
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:45:32 +0000
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Wow... So Win Vista and Win 7 pretend to be the Mac OS, and now this Dell is trying to disguise itself as an iMac??
It's starting to seem like even if I don't make the switch to Mac (which I'm hoping to next year), I'll still end up looking like I did, no matter what I buy. |
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:02:41 +0000
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Small form factor PC's have been around for ages. IIRC, Gateway introduced the SFF, flat screen, "Profile" series in the mid/late 90's when the Imacs still looked like bubbly little gum drops.
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:03:53 +0000
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Office and business-directed desktops have come out in designs like this for years... this is by no means a "mac design"
The idea is simply to have a space-saving PC for an office environment. At any rate, you've been able to get PCs in little teeny tiny cubes, extra slim form-factors, etc like this for well over a decade. I think Apple tends to erroneously get all the credit for that stuff because they have been more open to marketing such designs to the home-owner, and not limiting the styling and advertisement to business environments. The Vista/7 issue... I can see that. I still, quite frankly, prefer the old minimalist Windows 95/98 desktop to ALL this type of crap. I want my computer to be a clean and simple working environment... a canvas for me to paint on, rather than one which is already full of stuff. *edit* +1 on Birdsnest ⚠️ Last edited by xantufrog on Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:04:44 +0000; edited 1 time
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:04:18 +0000
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Its actually a clever design compared to my tower sitting on the floor and taking space .. at least all the usb and cd hardware is easy to use..
It's not a Mac but its a good try at an old design.. |
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:21:14 +0000
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Several vendors made small form factor PC cases. Some without any floppy, CD/DVD or even USB. They had a mouse and keyboard connectors, video out and the power cord. Many of these were installed in library and classroom applications to reduce costs and security risks (no way to add or take anything from the computer).
WYSE was a terminal maker back in the "green screen" days or central office mainframe computers. A WYSE terminal simply displayed the what a mainframe computer sent to it and the desktop terminal didn't do any of the processing (thinking). Some of these small form factor PCs emulated that environment with a centralized computer doing all thinking and the local computers acted as a terminal. The whole concept of a "personal computer" is that the local computer does the thinking on its own, at the "desktop". What is new-ish is the mounting of the CPU in a rack on the back of a flat screen monitor. Flat screen monitors did not exist back then. Yes... I know... I AM A GEEK ![]() It has paid the bills for the past 20+ years. |
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:22:32 +0000
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Dell does make all in ones (as does just about every other brand)
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:09:20 +0000
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![]() ![]() Remember the rush to imitate the original colored iMacs? Everything from beige all-in-ones to trying to encase everything under the sun in translucent colored plastic? Ahhh... hilarious. Quad core 27" iMac, FTW! |
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:12:52 +0000
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I really fail to see what is so absurd about this model, and/or how it is a mac-knockoff...
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:17:43 +0000
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its like a mac?
so if the dvd-rom dies, you can't fix it yourself, or the warranty is void? |
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:20:28 +0000
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Gateway PC SFF Circa 1999 - 2000
![]() iMac Circa 1999 - 2000 ![]() I'm a Mac guy all the way.... but come on, really? |
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:12:46 +0000
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Birdsnest wrote: Gateway PC SFF Circa 1999 - 2000 ![]() iMac Circa 1999 - 2000 ![]() I'm a Mac guy all the way.... but come on, really? |
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:18:18 +0000
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I ran 9 or 10 of those profiles as clients on our hospital network. We usually expect 3 to 4 years on our machines. Those Gateways held up very well. (The subsequent generation.... not so much.) But, I don't think we had any warranty claims or issues with that series. Liked 'em fine.
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:18:22 +0000
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I worked on Body Worn Computers for the military in the mid '90s. small's not the issue. I can now do much more with my cell phone than I could with my desktop from the mid '90s.
I like the idea, but since laptops are pretty much taking over the market it's a bit of a 'who cares'. |
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Re: NSFAF (Not Safe For Apple Folks)
jrsjr wrote: Sometimes we in the PC world get it so horribly wrong that we have to laugh at ourselves, and this is just one of those times. My humble apologies to anybody who's offended, but apparently this is a real product that is expected to be welcomed by corporate American IT buyers. |
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:26:00 +0000
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Vista vs Windows 7
Have you noticed that windows isn't trying to sell Vista anymore, trying to push it under the rug so to speak. Vista was yet another try to be like a Mac. And now as I understand Windows 7 is being advertised as better then XP, MS has lost there way since Bill Gates left. MS XP is the best program MS has ever come up with, IMHO.
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Once you try Windows 7 64bit you may change your mind Erich
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:53:21 +0000
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I learned on DOS, and have had just about every version of Windows up to and including Vista.
I got tired of Windows Registry, and all the clutter and crashing, not to mention how long it took to restore all the files, patches, updates, etc every time my computer crashed. Oh, and keeping up with McAfee was getting to be a part time job. I switched to a mac about 4 years ago, and moved our office over to the Mac platform a couple of years back, and I couldn't be happier! I haven't had to deal with any of the garbage I used to take for granted. If Windows 7 is the best thing on a Wintel computer since sliced bread, I'm happy for all the Windows folks, but MS lost me a as a customer a long time ago. |
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:56:23 +0000
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64 bit?
stickyfrog wrote: Once you try Windows 7 64bit you may change your mind Erich |
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Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:16:32 +0000
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Microsoft are basically dicks. 32 bit and 64 bit are mainly different in that that limit the amount of memory you can use. For instance, in 32 bit, windows will only recognize 3.5 gigs of ram, even if you put 4 gigs in. Where-as with 64 bit, you can put in as much as you can stuff in there, and it'll recognize and make use of it all.
Not really as much of an issue for gaming, one is generally ok with 2 to 3 gigs of ram. I have 4 in my main machine and it runs Crysis maxed out. However when it comes to video editing and graphic design, 4 gigs becomes rather frustrating. Which is why I also have a mac, with 32 gigs of ram. |
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Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:13:24 +0000
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i don't recall apple trying to sell os 9 anymore either. seems like they shelved it once x came out...
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Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:53:50 +0000
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prime wrote: Microsoft are basically dicks. 32 bit and 64 bit are mainly different in that that limit the amount of memory you can use. For instance, in 32 bit, windows will only recognize 3.5 gigs of ram, even if you put 4 gigs in. Where-as with 64 bit, you can put in as much as you can stuff in there, and it'll recognize and make use of it all. Not really as much of an issue for gaming, one is generally ok with 2 to 3 gigs of ram. I have 4 in my main machine and it runs Crysis maxed out. However when it comes to video editing and graphic design, 4 gigs becomes rather frustrating. Which is why I also have a mac, with 32 gigs of ram. ![]() |
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Re: NSFAF (Not Safe For Apple Folks)
jrsjr wrote: Sometimes we in the PC world get it so horribly wrong that we have to laugh at ourselves, and this is just one of those times. My humble apologies to anybody who's offended, but apparently this is a real product that is expected to be welcomed by corporate American IT buyers. ![]() |
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Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:19:26 +0000
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hiluxxe wrote: mmm delicious Anyone ever notice that the most common criticisms of Macs (cost too much, all about style and culture, underperform compared to lower-cost alternatives, they're for deluded snobs, etc.) are fundamentally the same as the most common criticisms of Vespas? |
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prime wrote: For instance, in 32 bit, windows will only recognize 3.5 gigs of ram, even if you put 4 gigs in. See the screen capture below. In this example 769MB are being used for hardware devices (mostly a graphics card). If you add it all up, it comes out to 4096MB (4GB). 769MB + 933MB + 11MB + 1910MB + 473MB = 4096MB. All 4GB are accounted for. ![]() |
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Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:32:36 +0000
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Wow, it looks like I'm the only other person to think the design is absurd.
The issue isn't the size of the box; it's the placement. ![]() It forces the user to reach not just behind but around the monitor to get at the optical drive, the USB ports, or anything. Horribly awkward, especially if you want to actually see what you're reaching for. It also adds enough depth to negate much of the advantage of having a flat panel monitor. Compared to an ordinary small-form-factor computer free standing from the monitor (like Dell and others have, yes, been making for years), this design is full of fail. |
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Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:01:06 +0000
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lostboy wrote: Wow, it looks like I'm the only other person to think the design is absurd. The issue isn't the size of the box; it's the placement. ![]() It forces the user to reach not just behind but around the monitor to get at the optical drive, the USB ports, or anything. Horribly awkward, especially if you want to actually see what you're reaching for. It also adds enough depth to negate much of the advantage of having a flat panel monitor. Compared to an ordinary small-form-factor computer free standing from the monitor (like Dell and others have, yes, been making for years), this design is full of fail. That's just the ergonomics of the CPU placement. Did you notice the sharp edges they left on top of the "handle?" Would those make mincemeat of your hands if you were ever unfortunate enough to have to pick this thing up? I predict technicians will reach for the duct tape en masse. Then there's the esthetic statement made by those gross vestigial protrubences on the bottom of the CPU. The statement those make is, "This CPU box is dedicated to the Hunchback of Notre Dell because we have hobbled it's feet so that it may never stand alone!" And that's not to mention the base post which appears to be a section of aluminum cable riser. It is the ugliest thing I think I've ever seen intentionally used in a design. All in all, the design appears to be a marriage of "losing entry in a first-year college design competition" and "a piece of rolling luggage that's lost its wheels." It's horrid beyond all reason. I'm sure there must have been good reason for this, perhaps a lot of surplus parts were available, including the aluminum cable riser? Maybe this was the result of one of those "design-by-committee" disasters like the Pontiac Aztek? I don't know. Absurd? Yes! And not in a fun way. ⚠️ Last edited by jrsjr on Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:29:29 +0000; edited 2 times
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Win 7
What they don't tell you is a mirror comes with the computer to be fastened to the right side wall. In this app the techie can see what they are doing, problem solved.
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Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:31:51 +0000
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Erich51, I forgot to mention, the first thing I pictured when I got the e-mail about this computer was an animated version of it running around inside the movie, The Brave Little Toaster, threatening to sue the other appliances if they wouldn't upgrade to Win7. I could just imagine the Brave Little Toaster cowering in a corner with the reflection of this thing looming larger and larger on his face as the horrible computer chants, "You will be assimilated!" But that's just me.
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Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:04:01 +0000
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ericalm wrote: hiluxxe wrote: mmm delicious Anyone ever notice that the most common criticisms of Macs (cost too much, all about style and culture, underperform compared to lower-cost alternatives, they're for deluded snobs, etc.) are fundamentally the same as the most common criticisms of Vespas? +1 on the comparison to Vespas Eric. |
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Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:31:24 +0000
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jrsjr wrote: lostboy wrote: Wow, it looks like I'm the only other person to think the design is absurd. The issue isn't the size of the box; it's the placement. ![]() It forces the user to reach not just behind but around the monitor to get at the optical drive, the USB ports, or anything. Horribly awkward, especially if you want to actually see what you're reaching for. It also adds enough depth to negate much of the advantage of having a flat panel monitor. Compared to an ordinary small-form-factor computer free standing from the monitor (like Dell and others have, yes, been making for years), this design is full of fail. That's just the ergonomics of the CPU placement. Did you notice the sharp edges they left on top of the "handle?" Would those make mincemeat of your hands if you were ever unfortunate enough to have to pick this thing up? I predict technicians will reach for the duct tape en masse. Then there's the esthetic statement made by those gross vestigial protrubences on the bottom of the CPU. The statement those make is, "This CPU box is dedicated to the Hunchback of Notre Dell because we have hobbled it's feet so that it may never stand alone!" And that's not to mention the base post which appears to be a section of aluminum cable riser. It is the ugliest thing I think I've ever seen intentionally used in a design. All in all, the design appears to be a marriage of "losing entry in a first-year college design competition" and a piece of rolling luggage that's lost its wheels. It's horrid beyond all reason. I'm sure there must have been good reason for this, perhaps a lot of surplus parts were available, including the aluminum cable riser? Maybe this was the result of one of those "design-by-committee" disasters like the Pontiac Aztek? I don't know. Absurd? Yes! And not in a fun way. |
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ericalm wrote: Anyone ever notice that the most common criticisms of Macs (cost too much, all about style and culture, underperform compared to lower-cost alternatives, they're for deluded snobs, etc.) are fundamentally the same as the most common criticisms of Vespas? but you have to be able to diagnose small problems and fix them yourself. |
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Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:22:33 +0000
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dannyw wrote: i'd bet that all the vintage guys will agree that a decent PC with the same speed, and actual usefulness costs 1/5 the price of a mac, but you have to be able to diagnose small problems and fix them yourself. methinks this thread is going down soon... 8) |
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Quote: i'd bet that all the vintage guys will agree that a decent PC with the same speed, and actual usefulness costs 1/5 the price of a mac Sound capture is better than my modern PC. When everyone else was doing beige SGI was knocking out cool computers in every colour of the rainbow. |
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ericalm wrote: ![]() ![]() Remember the rush to imitate the original colored iMacs? Everything from beige all-in-ones to trying to encase everything under the sun in translucent colored plastic? Ahhh... hilarious. Quad core 27" iMac, FTW! |
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louispain wrote: I have a vintage computer still in daily use. 1998 Silicon Graphics O2 workstation. Rocks like a vintage Vespa and still gets the job done. Sound capture is better than my modern PC. When everyone else was doing beige SGI was knocking out cool computers in every colour of the rainbow. The first SGI system I worked with was about the size of two short file cabinets side-by-side. If I recall, it was called an IRIS. Amazing systems in their day. I'd bet still pretty cool even today. But they took 220V power to run them. Similar to this: ![]() |
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