Modern Vespa

Where can I buy a key with Imobilizer aside from the dealer? Beacuse I am biding on a vespa scooter with out key. Thank you.

the dealer will stock key, also a member named Jim h

You had better read this article. Buying a scooter without any keys is going to be expensive.

ALL: Programming New Keys

you'll have to replace the whole ignition key/ecu/imobilizer system.Unless you have at least 1 working coded key now. but sounds like you don't. so dig deep into your pockets, or have a parts scoot.

This post will also be good read: FAQ: Do I Need The Red Key?
Send a PM to Jimh. Jim is a professional locksmith, and a straight-up, eager and able-to-help guy. His website is http://www.allmotorcyclekeys.com/
But yes, it sounds like you will need a new ECU (which means a new throttle body), key switch, and keys; which will not be cheap.

New Throttle Body??????
Think you need to get your info straight.
An ECU (Electronic Control Unit) and a Throttle Body (the housing the injector mounts to) have no relation except the ECU tells the injector when to inject the fuel.

Wayne B

The ECU and throttle body are integrated into the same housing. Part number 843017. Parts manual page 46: GTS250 Parts Manual.

Slam not appreciated.

+1 on what John said. The ECU and throttle body are an integrated unit. Same same. Seriously? This is how you behave after all this time on MV?

To the OP: Buying a modern Vespa without keys is possibly the worst mistake imaginable. The immobilizer is very effective, and as others have stated on this thread, a number of expensive pieces will have to be replaced in order to get it functioning. If it were extraordinarily cheap and you wanted a project, and had a good idea of what you were getting into, I could see it. If you're not well versed in the ignition system of modern Vespas, though, steer well clear.

does that vespa have a clean title?

a vespa without any key could have been stolen. Bidding on stolen merchandise may end with a headache.

Run away from this deal.......................as fast as you can.
As others have posted, it's probably not worth the trouble. The theft system is very complicated and expensive.

+2.

All true statements here.

SDG

Guess I have to stay on the MP3 side. Have never heard of anything like that. Why the hell do they integrate them?????
Were they trying to make it as expensive as possible if you loose your keys??

I read on here a LOT and have never seen a post that the ECU and Throttle body were the same thing so EXCUUUUSE ME!!

Been working on my motocycles for 35 years.

Wayne B

A lot of sensors in that housing: throttle position, air temp, pressure, mass flow, humidity too IIRC. It's a busy box. Not sure about the rationale, but I suppose they do it to minimize external harnessing and connectors.

To the OP, if I understand it correctly, loosing your keys (or buying a scoot without keys) has about a $2,000 price tag in getting all the needed items replaced.

Is this a good estimate SDG or John?

That sounds about right, including labor. I've never priced the parts, but I wouldn't be surprised at something like $800, just for the ECU/throttle body.

just take the bad feedback from ebay or tell them the seller did not post all the facts on the item

I must also post here...............

Don't do it. Please the amount of emails i get is silly, and i Can't help.

Don't buy a modern vespa without keys.

Oh, welcome to MV we are here to help mate.

Cheers

No it will be $4-500 ish for the parts and about 2 hours labor in most shops.

$600-700 kills it.

Best,
SDG

Thanks for the info. ... and I stand corrected.