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ok i took my allstate for a maiden voyage yesterday and clutch turns out to be shot -- i haven new clutch plates/springs and haynes manual .
i wonder if any one has any links to any tutorials on the subject OR any
CRUCIAL HINTS/TIPS for me as it is going to be my 1st clutch job!!!

thanks for your support and help in advance ~ appreciated beyond words~~

the Falcon

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Great procedure.

If you don't have a T-20332 tool, just use a 7/8 socket or a short piece of pipe to hold the spring- cup side of the clutch against one jaw of the vice, and the other side of the vice against the gear side. Gently tighten the vice and the springs compress. Now pry off the locking ring.

Ease off the vice and the clutch is ready for inspection.

If you don't have a vice and you can't afford the factory tool, you can make one using 3/8in. All-Thread, a coupla nuts and some fender washers. Orta cost bout $5.

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thx u guys!
damm fast and friendly you people are !!!
really appreciate it !
i will post when i get her done or run into trouble!!!
might be few days ...gotta enlist the help of a friend with a nice , clean and heated garage! Nerd emoticon

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Help pls
i am trying to remove clutch and we made socket to fit castellated nut....buT
do you have to BEND the tab on the washer back up to remove nut?? probably stupid question --but i am a noob...
HELP pls!!! thx
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Re: Help pls
the Falcon wrote:
i am trying to remove clutch and we made socket to fit castellated nut....buT
do you have to BEND the tab on the washer back up to remove nut?? probably stupid question --but i am a noob...
HELP pls!!! thx
you've done the hard part

yes on the tab http://www.scooterhelp.com/tips/engine/clutch.old.vespa.html
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Thanks Guys ~ Happy Allstate Now
once again you people have made my life alot easier~
you gave me such fast responses you got me energized & i got my friend onboard !
we had to make our own tool to extract the castellated nut... we took 12 point socket and used caliper to measure distance in gaps of nut. i then used a metal cutoff wheel on a grinder in a vise to cut pattern in socket.
after a few refinements we had it!
took a sec to realize we had to bend tab back on washer!!
but once we got that the nut was VERY tight...
after a few tries tho we got it free and we had the clutch in our hands with a few tugs.
the rest was pretty easy and straight forward in the guide that was posted
we used a few blocks of wood and a vise to compress clutch as we didnt have that tool either ..
i just got home and i can say the bike is running SO much better , i am quite pleased!!

thanks again all for your links , hints and inspiration. i hope in the future i learn enough to help others as well! You Guys Are The Best!!!!!

~~ the Falcon
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i'm all forked up!
i got forked in Olympia today! Wha? emoticon

i almost was going to get one in New Mexico ...but at last second one turned up only an hour away!!! ( needless to say i ran to get it).
so i am going to try to put hub from my bike on this fork ~~any hints on that procedure????????????????????
i still have a days work to blast and paint and reassemble with new damper and and spring . so wish me luck~~ after this i am going to send head out to be bored and get new 150 piston , good carb & exhaust to match ~
should be fun then!! now its only a looker ~~but i got her up to about 45-50 after clutch ~~ im lookin for around 65 if i can~~ any hints on attaining that also welcome~

so heres a pic of my new fork ~ also i think i might sell front mudguard if anyone is interested....as i dont need it.

thanks and all the best, the Falcon
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65' allstate fork
so i have new fork~~ i am trying to Completely disassemble so i can gease it good and paint etc.

now i am stuck trying to remove front axle. i have both bolts on either side off and i thot i could just use a drift to pop it out..?
is that right ? do i need to heat it ?or use puller? HELP !!!
i'm sorry to bother u all with such a noob question .... but alas i am a nooby!

thanks guys
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if you are just dropping the fork then remove the top collar and bearings and the assembly should come out
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forked !
i am rebuilding fork u see in pics.
to replace my pogo fork in bike --

I want to sell pogo fork i will make pics and post when out =
it is in pristine condition!
i have done a fork swap on franken bike already so it shoudlnt be too challenging as this is stock not bodge! i hope i can finish tonite --but not sure alot to do! HINTS AND TIPS WELCoMED!
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when you tighten the collar retaining nut remember to have a friend hold the assembly up with pressure, always turning back and forth on the fork so as you tighten the collar you make sure there is no play

once the head set is on and cabling started you don't want to have to go back a tighten it PAIN IN THE A--

IF THERE IS THE SLIGHTEST PLAY YOU WILL FEEL IT FOR EVER IN THE RIDE

and it will lessen the life of your new bearings

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Progress ...
so i got the new/old fork i found disassembled and blasted. While i was at it i took care of my SS's cooling shroud i found too!!
every thing is ready for swap now....but ...
i am afraid with my clumsiness i will scratch paint!! Crying or Very sad emoticon

SOOooooooo i am taking it to my favorite scootershop in town~
soundspeed scooters, i am going to turn the job over to him and focus back on the SS ,,, i,m not afraid to scratch it lol...

i feel at least i did the grunt work (fork looks better yes ?) , but when i started to take off headset i chipped the paint a little.. it made me reconsider ... i might have to sell this bike as its too pristine for a guy like me! ROFL

so thanks all for help , i will post it up when swap is done!!

my next move is to bore engine , get bigger carb and good exhaust!!
then its going to get fun! ~~~ l8r , the Falcon

ps ~ as u can see i LOVE flat black!
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I have to tell you that the fork you have is the fork of a Super not a VBB. The fender you have listed on scoot is a Super fender. To fit that fork in your bike you will have to do all the mods to the front end of your bike that you would have to do if you were converting to a 10 inch fork. Super forks are actually 10 inch forks with a different hub, brake shoes, and wheel.
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u sure ? it had 8' in rim on it ... = and i want to swap hub --can i ?
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I'm very sure. You will have to swap the whole axle not just the hub. You will have to swap brake shoes as well.
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mattgyver knows his bikes

dont panic, continue on to soundspeed and let them sort out the details


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well thx~
i am glad i stopped! would have been confused, i am sure.
is it very hard to get this one to work ?
they guy i bought from said it Would work ....
o well ... i live and learn ~~ Lucky i have all the Jedi masters to help me along!!! Wha? emoticon Wha? emoticon Wha? emoticon Wha? emoticon Wha? emoticon Wha? emoticon Wha? emoticon

thx guys, the Falcon
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Falcon,

I hope you have a parts manual for your Allstate. If not, get one from ScooterWorks. You need the exploded drawings.

Get one for the Sprint fork too.

Just a fact...the VBB fork is a drop-in replacement for your Allstate. Any other fork will require mods, usually to the top so the headset bolt can fit. Some others require modding the turn-stops.

If you plan to ever get other scoots and/or return your Allstate to original condition, keep the fork. You will get almost nothing for it.

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jwilliams wrote:
Falcon,

I hope you have a parts manual for your Allstate. If not, get one from ScooterWorks. You need the exploded drawings.

Get one for the Sprint fork too.

Just a fact...the VBB fork is a drop-in replacement for your Allstate. Any other fork will require mods, usually to the top so the headset bolt can fit. Some others require modding the turn-stops.

If you plan to ever get other scoots and/or return your Allstate to original condition, keep the fork. You will get almost nothing for it.

Jim
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