Modern Vespa

Hey guys quick question if I do get this 74 Rally will my bbq rack and backrest i bought for my 80 p200 work with it? or do i have to get the rally support bars for the side or is it just not compatible at all?

It's gonna be hard to say without knowing which rack you're talking about, and which tail light is on the Rally.

The rear section of the Rally is shaped a little differently, but some racks will fit fine. Best thing to do is just test fit your rack... or post pics here in case someone has the exact same one.

Not going to work with the taillight that is on the bike. The BBQ is designed to work with the US market rear taillight and braket. (as seen on a Pseries)

I believe the BBQ rack for the Rally and the P are different. I learned this the hard way as I purchased one online and later found it was for a Rally.

The Rally BBQ has a smaller bracket that hooks under the seat. It also has the ability to store a spare tire underneath the rack.

I've got some pics of mine at home I can post later.

This doesn't mean you can't make yours work somehow. Try it first before you scrap your idea.

mornin t-bone

if you call kristian at baritaliaclassics(google it) he will be able to give you a definitive answer on that

I hope the usability of your pre-purchased accessories isn't going to factor into to your scooter selection. Cough Cough, get the Rally.

Don't worry, you can always fabricate brackets for the BBQ rack. I used my bbq rack on my PX w/ a euro taillight. Used some L-brackets and copper pipe and it was all good. Cost <$5.

Yeah, go for the Rally-sans rack.

No it hasnt changed my mind at all... idk this whole thing should be a happy and fun process instead im getting stressed and worried...

Don't be too stressed out. Go check it out. Make sure the engine is cold and try to start it yourself. See if they'll let you ride it around given than you've owned a shifty before. If not, make sure they ride it around for you. Listen for weird clattering and things coming from the engine. If they'll let you, do a spark plug check and see how strong the spark is. You'll be able to get a sense on whether the electrics and motor are alright this way.

DO A COMPRESSION CHECK!!!!

110 is decent.

Ask for service records and most importantly trust your instinct.

if he wont let you ride it, ask him to go up and down the street and listen for a jump or skip in the gears and ask that he ride with no hands for a stretch

And then when he crashes it you can lower your offering price!

also, I always for get this: look at the frame! make sure its straight.

hey went down to see barry at sfsc and he said to get the p125. he said its clean and it will be an all around better bike for me.. So all in all I just think I am going to get the 125 If it is really good. but im still going to go and check out that rally..

Plus you want it more

Go get it mate (well, if it's as nice in person as it seems of course)! You will lose it if you wait too long. It's buying season.

I am. he gets back from business fri.. im checking it out sat.. Hopefully everything goes well and i have a new bike in the next 2 weeks!!!! just in time for SF's Le Rage!!!!!

How much do you weigh? Will that 125 be able to handle the hills? Only you know what you want, but man I know I'd get bored of the lack of power pretty quickly.

A Malossi 166 kits cures any power concerns. Most people have never ridden a kitted 125 as they have usually opted for a 200cc bike. My polini 177/sito plus combo will beat any p200 thats all stock. Obviously the 200 would be better if that was kitted and piped as well.

The 125 gearing with the kit will tear up the hills of SF.

if you get the 125...can't you swap out the engine from the totaled p200? the frames are the same aren't they?

you need to talk down the price on the 125

you will be spending money on it right away

as far as the motor swap, great idea, but feck, right after spending all that dough

i trust barry, but make sure you want that bike, remorse is a bummer for a couple days

you eventually get over it

Hey Jim I pm'd you. I am just so confused. I talked to the woman that has the red p2 for sale she said that there is an oil leak. so thats out of the picture. its just a toss up right now between the Rally and P125. I know that i am going to miss the power if i settle for the P. Yet I just dont want a headache of troubles with the rally. I am going to go to first kick tomorrow and see what the guys down there say.

This is getting tiresome.

PICK A FUCKING BIKE.

Your point of commenting????

No matter what you buy we will never hear the end of it

Dude FUCK YOU!!!!

fuck you sounds fair enough hehe

Scorchio - he's only had one scoot before, and for like a week before it got destroyed. Give the guy a break.

In a less harsh manner, though, Dominic, you have sent mixed signals. You've gone from "the P125 is BEAUTIFUL and it's the one I want. I DON'T need any more power than that" to "the rally is wonderful I'm going to get it" to "the rally might be unreliable, I'm going to get the P125" and back to "I'll miss the power of the 200 if I get the P125"

I THINK, that we are all influencing your opinion too much, because it seems like your perception of these scoots is changing in relation to the most recent "authoritative" post on the matter.

Just remember, none of us is an authority on what you need and what you like. Airfin seems pretty confident that with the kit the 125 will fly because it has tighter gearing. He's probably right. Don't let people tell you it will be too much or too little power unless they know exactly how you will be using it.

Question: how exactly will you be riding the scooter

Regarding the oil leak on the red P200 - whatever man, you should check it out. I think that is a great deal on an excellent scoot. You should figure out what kind of oil leak it is before you say "THAT IS OUT!" I mean, the drain plug could just be loose for all you know, or the selector box gasket is bad - a $1.00 5 minute fix.

Regarding the Rally, it's probably got some issues to be listed so low. But, you don't know what the issues are yet, do you? Again, you can't decide until you check it out. Keep in mind it can be a slightly more high maintenance bike and yet still start and get you around every day. I mean, I can say the same for my P200 vs my ET2 - the ET2 is basically maintenance free, but it doesn't mean the P200 won't run and won't get me around.

I think you need to go see all three scoots in person - make a fun shopping day of it. The fact that you have other options to consider might make the seller more flexible on the price too, who knows. Start them all yourself, listen to their noises yourself, and you will be able to do a lot of the comparison on your own based on that... "oh, well, the P2 actually sounded rougher than the Rally, so..."

Yeah, I have just been stressing alot and the fact that there are alot of nice bikes out there makes me really indecisive at times. My GF is tired of hearing me bitch about bikes haha... I have appointments to see all of them this weekend. the problem is im judging books by their cover. My other issue is im taking the bus everywhere and these hobos and crackheads are starting to bother me haha... Anyway Thanks Xantufrog I appreciate the help ALOT!

agreed, dude is young and this will be his only scoot. most of us don't have the same concerns because we've got another scoot in the stable or we can crack cases and fix problems pretty quickly. he needs this scoot to get to work. in reality perhaps he just needs a TNG and save up for a cool vintage later. but most of us don't want to say that. I agree, go check out the P2 if it's not too far away. I got a sweet older km PX200 for a decent price because there was an oil leak and the thing was a mess. turned out to be a cracked sightglass. just needed that $5 part and a heavy degreaser.

I would also be a bit cautious with the rally at that price if I didn't know much about motors but... it's also really hard to sell a bike right now, so maybe it's just a good deal. Go talk to First Kick before you see it. Also ask them and barry how much to take a look at a scoot before you buy it. Maybe they'll give you deal on the idea that you'll become a new customer for service.

I know you want to get a bike pretty quickly, but if you get a weird feeling from all those bikes, just be patient. There will be a clean ass freshly rebuilt P200 in your price range on the market sooner or later.

Dom,

Regardless of whatever you buy we are talking about a machine thats over 30 years old. They arent out of the box brand new.

Whatever you choose make sure that you have about $1000 left over for registration, insurance and repairs.

I bought my Rally a couple of years ago for 2100 and it is a daily rider, having said that I have put $1000 into it. It goes with the territory.

Take your time you will find the right bike for you. Dont let simple things like an oil leak put you off a potential bike, be grateful that the owner was honest and use it as a negotiation point.

Dont be afraid to view a bike, test ride it and then walk away, you can always leave your number and see if the owner comes down in price a little. One thing is for sure you will be riding this summer on a great bike.

Heres a few that I would suggest on your budget;

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mcy/1783701130.html

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mcy/1783575792.html

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mcy/1783432804.html

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mcy/1783830464.html

Happy Hunting!

oh god please dont remind me... lack of power, pk 100 the power is shockingly bad ! hills... maximum of 15-20mph, my old 50cc piaggio zip flew up hills at 40 but the pk has dissapointed me

hey t-bone, i just saw this, blow it off and certainly remember that YOUR the one looking for a bike and nobody else, so post as much as needed

back to the search, a little birdie told me that they know someone going to look at the rally

you're not the only one

(call first kick and ask them when the cross was replaced if at all)

a little birdie aye jim? hmm well in the past 10 years there has been no engine work done to it... it was just basically going every year for a tune up and to get brakes and small things like the speedo there is 12000 original miles on it. speedo changed 1800 miles ago when there was around 10-11 k on the old original speedo so basically he never took it in for anything serious.

well then you might want to figure the cost of a mechanic doing a cross and seals

ask first kick what they charge and offer the seller a lesser amount thats fair for both of you

i cant really help anymore than that

Jim you help enough as it is.. you give me really good advice i really do appreciate it alot