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Hello,

Before this summer I had zero experience riding motorcycles or scooters. I wanted to get into riding and when a friend offered to sell me his 2005 PX 150 I took the plunge.
My first step was to pass the knowledge test at the Iowa Department of Transportation and got my motorcycle operator's permit. Then I took the MSF's Basic Rider course and learned A LOT of valuable information about braking, swerving, and leaning the bike. I just returned to the DOT yesterday and got my motorcycle license. I purchased a jacket and helmet.

I've taken my scooter out to ride, but I can't get it into 3rd or 4th gear while moving. If I shift gears with the engine turned off, I can hear/feel the gears changing, but if I try to shift while operating it, I can't get past 2nd (Going between 1st and 2nd is fine, but it doesn't "click" into 3rd or 4th: the RPM's go through the roof and the scooter dies as it tries to throw me over the handlebars. Plus I'm limited to 25 MPH in 2nd gear....).

I did a bit of research online (this forum and others) and I think it might be either the clutch cable being loose, or else the cruciform is worn out.

However, I have no idea how to check and see what the problem is, or where to get it serviced or buy spare parts.

My friend who sold me the scooter apologized but couldn't help me out (he lives 500 miles away).

So what I'm asking for you is a few things:
    What steps should I take to locate the culprit that is keeping me from the 3rd and 4th gears?
    What basic tools should I acquire for PX 150 repair and maintenance?
    How can I get a copy of the owner's manual?
Thanks for any and all help. I look forward to riding my scooter and being a part of this forum!

- Original Jaybird
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Without sounding awful, are you sure you know how to change gear? Letting off the throttle clutch in twist gear clutch out revs on.

Have you got someone else who can have a quick go for you to see if it is the scooter or your gear change.
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I know how to shift gears and can do so just fine, as long as it is from N to 1st, or 1st to 2nd. I can go from 2nd to 3rd and on to 4th, but only with the engine turned off.
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Usual advice regards owners manual (they're not too good) is get yersen a Haynes manual.

From the sounds of it your problem lies with the clutch rather than your cruciform/gear selector. If the cable's too loose then there will be excessive play at the lever (2mm play between the bottom of the lever and the lever support is what you want to aim for) so if needs be you'll have to take the slack from the cable via the adjuster. All you'll need for this is an 8mm spanner!

With regards to tools - just a basic mechanical toolbox i.e. spanner set, socket set, screwdriver etc. should see you right for day-to-day tinkering. There are a few specialist tools available but they're only called for if you're going to take the engine to bits...

I'd also advise having a look on the vespamaintenance and scooterhelp websites if you haven't done this already.

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Laurie wrote:
Usual advice regards owners manual (they're not too good) is get yersen a Haynes manual.

From the sounds of it your problem lies with the clutch rather than your cruciform/gear selector. If the cable's too loose then there will be excessive play at the lever (2mm play between the bottom of the lever and the lever support is what you want to aim for) so if needs be you'll have to take the slack from the cable via the adjuster. All you'll need for this is an 8mm spanner!

With regards to tools - just a basic mechanical toolbox i.e. spanner set, socket set, screwdriver etc. should see you right for day-to-day tinkering. There are a few specialist tools available but they're only called for if you're going to take the engine to bits...

I'd also advise having a look on the vespamaintenance and scooterhelp websites if you haven't done this already.

Easy,
Laurie
In regards to Lauries post here are the websites. http://scooterhelp.com/ and http://www.vespamaintenance.com/
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Welcome!

I agree it sounds like a loose clutch cable. Your gear-selector cables could be in poor adjustment as well. Vespamaintenance.com which was linked by Dominic will have instructions with pictures for both the clutch-cable adjusting Laurie suggests and checking on the gear selector box.

One special tool you will LOVE that directly relates to this current problem - a 4th hand tool. You can buy them from many places including Motorsport Scooters. This tool will make clutch cable adjustments and gear selector cable adjustments and... well any cable adjustment will be a million times easier (except rear brake which is too big for the tool). So you might think about picking one up. I haven't regretted spending money on it!
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xantufrog wrote:
Welcome!

I agree it sounds like a loose clutch cable. Your gear-selector cables could be in poor adjustment as well. Vespamaintenance.com which was linked by Dominic will have instructions with pictures for both the clutch-cable adjusting Laurie suggests and checking on the gear selector box.

One special tool you will LOVE that directly relates to this current problem - a 4th hand tool. You can buy them from many places including Motorsport Scooters. This tool will make clutch cable adjustments and gear selector cable adjustments and... well any cable adjustment will be a million times easier (except rear brake which is too big for the tool). So you might think about picking one up. I haven't regretted spending money on it!
4 years after I first saw the cable tools and thought "they look good" and I've still not got round to buying us one. Sorry Vespa - I just don't think I'm ready for that level of commitment
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Laurie wrote:
4 years after I first saw the cable tools and thought "they look good" and I've still not got round to buying us one. Sorry Vespa - I just don't think I'm ready for that level of commitment
Maybe it's a guy thing... once I discovered I could have a free hand to scratch myself while adjusting cables... I could never go back
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xantufrog wrote:
Laurie wrote:
4 years after I first saw the cable tools and thought "they look good" and I've still not got round to buying us one. Sorry Vespa - I just don't think I'm ready for that level of commitment
Maybe it's a guy thing... once I discovered I could have a free hand to scratch myself while adjusting cables... I could never go back
Xantufrog... I just bought mine today..!!! I have heard nothing but postitive feedback for the fourth hand. So for 15 bucks or whatever it was i just like hell if it helps even a little then its worth it..!!
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there are guys that can use that thing as easy as chewing gum

everytime i get my hands on one i can't get the hang of it

so i go back to the visegrips or pliers, problem is you have to be ever so carefull with those tools as not to frey the ends
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jimmyb865 wrote:
there are guys that can use that thing as easy as chewing gum

everytime i get my hands on one i can't get the hang of it

so i go back to the visegrips or pliers, problem is you have to be ever so carefull with those tools as not to frey the ends
HAHAH Jim I KNOW!!!!! It took me an hour and a half to change the selector box cables my first time and i frayed the shit out of the wires..!!! Im really hoping this fourth hand will live up to its name..!! haha
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DominicLNanni wrote:
jimmyb865 wrote:
there are guys that can use that thing as easy as chewing gum

everytime i get my hands on one i can't get the hang of it

so i go back to the visegrips or pliers, problem is you have to be ever so carefull with those tools as not to frey the ends
HAHAH Jim I KNOW!!!!! It took me an hour and a half to change the selector box cables my first time and i frayed the shit out of the wires..!!! Im really hoping this fourth hand will live up to its name..!! haha
For some reason I don't like the idea that anything to do with your scooter should be easy, which probably explains my not having a 4th hand tool (but a free hand for scratching you say ) I've always just soldered the ends of the cables where I had to cut them off to stop them fraying - so there is an alternative to doing it the right way...
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