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Hi; wondering if the MV community can recommend some good riding gloves (esp. in the LA area if there's a good store; I'd like to try them on vs. ordering blindly online if possible).

Wiki here only has threads on helmets and earplugs, so thought I'd start a new thread requesting the info.

Also, if there's any other essential gear you think one should have, lemme know.

Incredibly, though it is August, it is still really cool weather here in LA - riding at night gets cold fast! I've taken to leaving a sweatshirt under my seat to throw on over whatever shirt I'm wearing just to fend off the chill - - over 40mph and the wind just slices through me.

As always, thanks in advance for your ideas.
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I would vote for above ankle boots/shoes. Without being too graphic, ankles are a weak point in the human design.
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http://www.cyclegear.com/spgm.cfm?L1=&L2=&L3=&L4=&item=FTL_SEG173-BW-SM_G

just picked these gloves up not to long ago...!!! have to say they are the best gloves I have EVER had....
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I would check out Web Bike World. I have gotten many ideas from them. I ended up getting Lee Parks gloves which I love. They did not look that good when I got them and I thought they were a little big but they actually seam to grow or shrink a little to fit your hand. Very comfortable in all but the very hottest and coldest weather.

+1 on boots that protect your ankles. I bought Harley boots with zippers because I am lazy. I broke my ankle in an accident and I probably could have avoided the break by wearing ankle covering boots.
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We have two pairs of these. They are comfortable, have leather padding over the finger knuckles, leather palms, and plastic reinforcement over the finger-to-wrist knuckles. They are $45 on Newenough.com here. Newenough has some incredible deals on discontinued equipment and I've shopped there often.


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Honda of North Hollywood has a good selection of riding gloves. It's great to be able to try them on. I've bought two pairs of gloves there - they both fit me just right. One was a size large, and the other a 2XL - different brands. I'm normally a size XL in gloves.

They're located on Tujunga just off the intersection of Burbank Blvd. and Lankershim (behind the Denny's). Don't confuse them with Bill Robertson Honda (cars) up the street.

I'm an Toreador Pants (All The Gear - All The Time) guy, but +1 on the boots in particular. Feet and ankles are vulnerable.
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If you're getting gloves, makes sure you get good knuckle protection ... a friend is on the list for titanium knuckles after a slow-speed "off" wearing Harley-style light summer leather gloves (they simply disintegrated on impact and gave no proection to his fingers). Plenty of good, inexpensive styles to choose from.

(I'd advocate decent proetction in a jacket, pants and especially boots too, but this is not a "preaching" site.)
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I would vote for above ankle boots/shoes. Without being too graphic, ankles are a weak point in the human design.
I wore my horse riding boots on my scooter last weekend and was wondering if motorcycle boots also have metal reinforcements (e.g. In the sole) . Is this dangerous? Otherwise my boots have great toe and ankle protection and a slight heel which gives me an extra inch to reach the ground. Just a tad worried bout the metal flat bar that runs through the sole!!!! Any comments appreciated :p
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I would vote for above ankle boots/shoes. Without being too graphic, ankles are a weak point in the human design.
While hard toe boots may protect the toes, unless you ride around in ski boots or armored racing boots, I have yet to see a set of boots that will protect the ankles from anything beyond road rash, and that doesn't limit itself to weak points of the body. There maybe minimal protection from "ankle twisting" (torn ligaments and tendons), but the boots would need to be a pretty snug fit and even then it is questionable. As a medical doctor, I can tell you that the force needed to fracture a bone in the ankle cannot be stopped by a piece of leather. If you are really serious about protecting your ankles, you need to buy those racing boots with the armored ankle protectors, but your standard leather motorcycle boot will offer little in the way of ankle protection. I wear boots for several reasons. The rubber sole keeps me from slipping at stops, they protect my feet and toes, and they look good, but they will not protect my ankles.
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chia wrote:
I wore my horse riding boots on my scooter last weekend and was wondering if motorcycle boots also have metal reinforcements (e.g. In the sole) . Is this dangerous? Otherwise my boots have great toe and ankle protection and a slight heel which gives me an extra inch to reach the ground. Just a tad worried bout the metal flat bar that runs through the sole!!!! Any comments appreciated :p
It should be fine. The only way that could even possibly be a problem is if you had an impact from the bottom of your feet, and that is unlikely. Even in that instance the metal will more likely protect you than cause a problem.
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chia wrote:
I wore my horse riding boots on my scooter last weekend and was wondering if motorcycle boots also have metal reinforcements (e.g. In the sole) . Is this dangerous? Otherwise my boots have great toe and ankle protection and a slight heel which gives me an extra inch to reach the ground. Just a tad worried bout the metal flat bar that runs through the sole!!!! Any comments appreciated :p
Riding boots ooh la la very nice..

Nearly all the top racing boots have a form of metal running the length of the sole. So it must be a benefit.
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I would vote for above ankle boots/shoes. Without being too graphic, ankles are a weak point in the human design.
While hard toe boots may protect the toes, unless you ride around in ski boots or armored racing boots, I have yet to see a set of boots that will protect the ankles from anything beyond road rash, and that doesn't limit itself to weak points of the body. There maybe minimal protection from "ankle twisting" (torn ligaments and tendons), but the boots would need to be a pretty snug fit and even then it is questionable. As a medical doctor, I can tell you that the force needed to fracture a bone in the ankle cannot be stopped by a piece of leather. If you are really serious about protecting your ankles, you need to buy those racing boots with the armored ankle protectors, but your standard leather motorcycle boot will offer little in the way of ankle protection. I wear boots for several reasons. The rubber sole keeps me from slipping at stops, they protect my feet and toes, and they look good, but they will not protect my ankles.
Everybody is agreed that any thick or firm protection over the ankle is better than nothing at all.

Boots help a lot in London due to the fact that when you park your scooter up you'll be lucky if there is room to get one foot down between your scooter and the next one.!!!
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I just got a pair of Icon Super Duty 3 boots and love them. Very sturdy and they offer great protection.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/1/36/10482/ITEM/Icon-Super-Duty-3-Boots.aspx

I have Corazzo Carbone gloves. Very grippy and well vented for warmer weather.

http://www.corazzo.net/carbone-gloves
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It should be fine. The only way that could even possibly be a problem is if you had an impact from the bottom of your feet, and that is unlikely. Even in that instance the metal will more likely protect you than cause a problem.
Thanks Sandman! I looked up what my boots had and it's a steel shank, which I guess construction boots have as well. Will be using them more often now.
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Consider a windscreen. Makes a big difference to the wind chill
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Harvey wrote:
I would vote for above ankle boots/shoes. Without being too graphic, ankles are a weak point in the human design.
I wore my horse riding boots on my scooter last weekend and was wondering if motorcycle boots also have metal reinforcements (e.g. In the sole) . Is this dangerous? Otherwise my boots have great toe and ankle protection and a slight heel which gives me an extra inch to reach the ground. Just a tad worried bout the metal flat bar that runs through the sole!!!! Any comments appreciated :p
Chia from Zurich Hi,
My wife Regula is Swiss and I think Switzerland is the most beautiful place I have ever seen. I fell in love with it. And so close to Italy, France, Germany and Austria. Fantastic place to live. You are so lucky. I have no idea why my wife left it. She just says "Well you know you do things like for boys when you are young." She cant live there now because she hates cold weather. I would live there in a heartbeat.
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Chia from Zurich Hi,
My wife Regula is Swiss and I think Switzerland is the most beautiful place I have ever seen. I fell in love with it. And so close to Italy, France, Germany and Austria. Fantastic place to live. You are so lucky. I have no idea why my wife left it. She just says "Well you know you do things like for boys when you are young." She cant live there now because she hates cold weather. I would live there in a heartbeat.
Hi GJN! Switzerland is pretty nice to live in for a few years. Great places to visit and hike, and the proximity to the other countries is nice (although I would prefer the cheap flights available in the UK because train travel is still quite expensive and time consuming...) But i wouldn't live here for too long :p it's very hard to fit in, and almost impossible to speak their language... culturally, it can be a problem... (google living in switzerland to find out more). The winters are nice if you snowboard/ski, the other seasons can also be really pleasant. In fact, I find it's not as cold as England somehow, because even with -5C there is hardly any wind (and wind chill)!
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off-road MotoX gloves work remarkably well for hot climates. They're also usually about 1/2 the price of 'road' gloves.

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Vented, padded palms, reinforced knuckles - all you need.

Gloves are about the only protection I wear on any bike, other than the mandatory helmet.
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off-road MotoX gloves work remarkably well for hot climates. They're also usually about 1/2 the price of 'road' gloves.
Please do be careful there

I injured my knuckles and bent my wedding ring in a low-speed crash
because I was wearing off-road gloves
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Everybody is agreed that any thick or firm protection over the ankle is better than nothing at all.

Oh...

I didn't realize that everybody is "agreed"....

That changes everything....


I need you guys to do me a HUGE favor. I need everybody to agree that I own an island in the Caribbean. It wont cost you a dime. All you have to do is agree that it is so, and like The Witches of Eastwick, it will magically become reality.

(Sorry for the NJ sarcasm, but I couldn't resist. )

Look, I'm just telling you, from someone that sees ankle fractures all the time, there is no way that the leather on a standard motorcycle boot will offer any protection. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from wearing boots, as they are protective in other ways. Just dont expect them to protect your "weak point" ankles from being broken. We can agree til the cows come home, but knowing what I know, I will not believe otherwise unless you can show me some randomized, controlled trials, or at the VERY LEAST, some retrospective studies.
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I just got a pair of Icon Super Duty 3 boots and love them. Very sturdy and they offer great protection.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/1/36/10482/ITEM/Icon-Super-Duty-3-Boots.aspx

These boots appear to have ankle armor, like the racing boots. If someone is worried about breaking their ankle, this type of boot probably affords some protection.
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Everybody is agreed that any thick or firm protection over the ankle is better than nothing at all.

Look, I'm just telling you....
From what I read is... "Look I'm just telling you.." Wha? emoticon Need I say more?


From where I'm standing WE are all agreed that ANYTHING thick over your ankle will protect it better than NOTHING?

I did not imply that it would protect one from a break, fracture or tendon damage. From road rash yes! That's a good enough reason on its own should anyone be choosing to wear boots or not.


or are you really saying that leather does not protect ankles from road rash better than nothing?

What anybody chooses to do with any information gained from the internet is completely of their choosing, I always assume that if you are intelligent enough to ask a question then you'll be intelligent enough to know what to do with any answers given.
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From road rash yes! That's a good enough reason on its own should anyone be choosing to wear boots or not.
+1

I know my boots aren't going to ultimately save my ankle from snapping, but it will protect that protruding bone from being shaved off.
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From road rash yes! That's a good enough reason on its own should anyone be choosing to wear boots or not.
+1

I know my boots aren't going to ultimately save my ankle from snapping, but it will protect that protruding bone from being shaved off.
This is something that I conceded in my original post, so there is no argument here.
I was only arguing the "weak point" comment, which to me, implies breakage.
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Thanks everyone for your posts and suggestions (who knew boots could stir up so much controversy??)

I like a lot of these glove ideas; now, any thoughts on jackets....??
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Chichikov wrote:
I just got a pair of Icon Super Duty 3 boots and love them. Very sturdy and they offer great protection.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/1/36/10482/ITEM/Icon-Super-Duty-3-Boots.aspx

These boots appear to have ankle armor, like the racing boots. If someone is worried about breaking their ankle, this type of boot probably affords some protection.
Yes, they have a pretty substantial piece of armor over the ankle. They feel a lot like hockey skates in that regard.
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I have Corazzo Carbone gloves. Very grippy and well vented for warmer weather.

http://www.corazzo.net/carbone-gloves
+1 Great for rides around L.A.
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Thanks everyone for your posts and suggestions (who knew boots could stir up so much controversy??)
There is no topic that scooterists won't argue about, no information they won't contradict, nothing that's safe from controversy and nothing too trivial to bother with.

I am as guilty of this as anyone.
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I like a lot of these glove ideas; now, any thoughts on jackets....??
For LA, I need 2 jackets, which is why I have 5.

The best combo (for me), my Corazzo Tempeste for most of the year and the Corazzo Ventata for summer. It does get hot enough in the summer to warrant a mesh jacket. Most solid textiles/leathers get too hot over 85°. (Granted I live in the SFV, where it's often a bit warmer than south of the hills...)
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Oh...

I didn't realize that everybody is "agreed"....

That changes everything....


I need you guys to do me a HUGE favor. I need everybody to agree that I own an island in the Caribbean. It wont cost you a dime. All you have to do is agree that it is so, and like The Witches of Eastwick, it will magically become reality.

(Sorry for the NJ sarcasm, but I couldn't resist. )

Look, I'm just telling you, from someone that sees ankle fractures all the time, there is no way that the leather on a standard motorcycle boot will offer any protection. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from wearing boots, as they are protective in other ways. Just dont expect them to protect your "weak point" ankles from being broken. We can agree til the cows come home, but knowing what I know, I will not believe otherwise unless you can show me some randomized, controlled trials, or at the VERY LEAST, some retrospective studies.
Actually, I was thinking of the European Maids final report 2 which reported in 42.7% of accidents studied footwear coverage reduced or prevented injury (table 9.18 ). The Maids study investigated in detail over nine hundred motorcycle accidents which occurred in France, Germany, Netherlands, Spain and Italy during 1999-2000. Thanks for prodding me into being more rigorous in my reply- Out of scientific interest (since I do medical research), and since your mentioned them, do you have any randomized, controlled trials, or at the very least, some retrospective studies with alternative conclusions that I could look at?
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Thanks everyone for your posts and suggestions (who knew boots could stir up so much controversy??)
There is no topic that scooterists won't argue about, no information they won't contradict, nothing that's safe from controversy and nothing too trivial to bother with.

I am as guilty of this as anyone.
Yes, which is why MV is sooo addictive! Nothin' like a tinge of family disfunction to make one feel at home! Razz emoticon
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Actually, I was thinking of the European Maids final report 2 which reported in 42.7% of accidents studied footwear coverage reduced or prevented injury (table 9.18 ). The Maids study investigated in detail over nine hundred motorcycle accidents which occurred in France, Germany, Netherlands, Spain and Italy during 1999-2000. Thanks for prodding me into being more rigorous in my reply- Out of scientific interest (since I do medical research), and since your mentioned them, do you have any randomized, controlled trials, or at the very least, some retrospective studies with alternative conclusions that I could look at?
Not specific enough as to the type of injury. That is the key issue here, is it not? So the study you are siting does nothing to prove your theory. I do not have a study either. If I did, I would have posted it already, so since no studies have been done, I have nothing else to go by except clinical experience.
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I don't believe I mentioned type of injury in my original post- you implied that in your response, so how could it be my key issue?
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I don't believe I mentioned type of injury in my original post- you implied that in your response, so how could it be my key issue?
OK. I guess I could have misinterpreted your meaning. So tell me, what did you mean by "ankles are a weak point in the human design"?
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I don't believe I mentioned type of injury in my original post- you implied that in your response, so how could it be my key issue?
OK. I guess I could have misinterpreted your meaning. So tell me, what did you mean by "ankles are a weak point in the human design"?
Good god, man, just let it go. If I accept you as the MV authority on the human ankle will you please stop flogging this dead horse? It'd be nice if we could get back to the OP's point, which I believe was riding gloves, not a pissing match on anatomy, scientific research or randomized trials.
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Good point, sorry to the OP for getting involved in this.
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2009 GTS 250 Super, 1970 Harley Davidson XLCH
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2009 GTS 250 Super, 1970 Harley Davidson XLCH
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Chichikov wrote:
Sandman wrote:
Harvey wrote:
I don't believe I mentioned type of injury in my original post- you implied that in your response, so how could it be my key issue?
OK. I guess I could have misinterpreted your meaning. So tell me, what did you mean by "ankles are a weak point in the human design"?
Good god, man, just let it go. If I accept you as the MV authority on the human ankle will you please stop flogging this dead horse? It'd be nice if we could get back to the OP's point, which I believe was riding gloves, not a pissing match on anatomy, scientific research or randomized trials.
I thought we were done yesterday. Let's move on.
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Let's switch gears a bit...
Is there anyone out there that doesn't find this riding gear inappropriate?
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
2007 Vespa LX 190, 2011 LXV150ie
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2007 Vespa LX 190, 2011 LXV150ie
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TurtleGT wrote:
Let's switch gears a bit...
Is there anyone out there that doesn't find this riding gear inappropriate?
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In what sense? ROFL emoticon
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2009 GTV 244, 2005 BMW F652 CS, 2001 ET4 150
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2009 GTV 244, 2005 BMW F652 CS, 2001 ET4 150
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TurtleGT wrote:
Let's switch gears a bit...
Is there anyone out there that doesn't find this riding gear inappropriate?
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What I find inappropriate is blocking out the MC's plate number which mitigates our ability to track down the passenger.
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2010 White 300 GTS
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2010 White 300 GTS
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Location: Los Angeles
UTC quote
Chichikov wrote:
Sandman wrote:
Harvey wrote:
I don't believe I mentioned type of injury in my original post- you implied that in your response, so how could it be my key issue?
OK. I guess I could have misinterpreted your meaning. So tell me, what did you mean by "ankles are a weak point in the human design"?
Good god, man, just let it go. If I accept you as the MV authority on the human ankle will you please stop flogging this dead horse? It'd be nice if we could get back to the OP's point, which I believe was riding gloves, not a pissing match on anatomy, scientific research or randomized trials.
Erm, yes, ahem...thanks for reigning it back in!

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