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As you may know, I recently managed to blow up my little Garmin i2 GPS. I loved this little unit, because it was light enough to mount at eye level using the "super simple GPS mount" idea described elsewhere on this forum, uses AA batteries, and most of all, is grayscale. This last item means that unlike every color unit, it actually gets more readable as the sun gets brighter.

I have located a used replacement, but in the meantime I have been back to my old Garmin Zumo. At first blush, this would seem to be the perfect solution: sturdy, big screen, runs directly on 12 volts (thus avoiding the conversion issue that blew up my other unit), waterproof, and in fact made for motorcycles. But it has two major drawbacks: first, its color screen, like all color units, becomes washed out in sunlight and in fact is essentially invisible in direct sunlight (but not as badly as its competitor, the TomTom Rider); and secondly, its weight requires it to be mounted someplace other than line-of-sight such as on the handlebar or, in my case, atop the handlebar center. Some members, notably mjm50cal, have engineered clever solutions to this last item, but to my knowledge nobody on MV has posted a completely satisfactory solution to the first.

I saw an ad for the "Glare-Stomper," available in two sizes, on Amazon. One size fits widescreen GPS units and listed my Zumo as one of the models it fits. I ordered it for about $20 from Amazon (manufacturer's website: http://www.glarestomper.com/) and it arrived two days later.

As shown below, it simply velcros around the screen. It is made of nylon and seems very durable. The idea is that unlike a hard hood (more on that in a momemnt), it can simply fold up around the unit and not have to be detached on a regular basis.

A quick drive with the Zumo fastened to the RAM ball mounted atop the steering column showed that this simple device really does work. Unless the sun is directly behind me (and even then, slightly offset because otherwise my body will be blocking the sun), the screen is completely, indeed brilliantly, readable even in the brightest sun.

However, that's hardly line-of-sight, and I consider it a safety issue to be taking my eyes off the road to see my speed (the main thing we use a GPS for on an MP3!). I moved the ball-on-a-disc RAM mount (don't remember what its official name is) to the top of the bugscreen. I considered mounting it under the bugscreen, but then the huge Zumo blocked much of the instrument panel. I should point out that although the manufacturer claims that the Glare Stomper will hold on at highway speed, I didn't test this since I have a cruiser windsheild directly in front, and the Zumo and its new hood sit in practially still air. I also know that RAM sells a ball with a single screw, and if I were to do this again, that would be a much simpler install than the three separate screws required for the mount I had on hand (and no doubt cheaper, too).

This worked very well, except that going over bumps the whole unit shook violently. Sure, the Zumo is shockproof to a point, but it was distracting and probably putitng unnecessary stresses on the bugscreen mounting holes. I decided I would physically connect the cradle to the bugscreen to keep it from shaking.

I tried rearranging the mount orientation and found that I could not quite get the bottom of the Zumo cradle to contact the bugscreen - the RAM mount would not permit it to declinate that far. I then had a brainstorm, when I realized that the closest distance I could get the cradle from the bugscreen was just about the thickness of one of those 3M "Dual Lock" super-duper velcro discs, which I happened to have a bunch of from my Laminar Lip days. A little cleaning with alcohol, and one little disc applied to the bottom, and voila! Possibly the best solution short of major engineering a la mjm50cal.

Conclusion: the Glare Stomper works. It looks a bit amatuerish, as its soft nylon sides tend to mush around nonsymetrically. A much better solution would be a hard plastic hood, but that would have to be specifically designed for a particular GPS model. Short of that, the Glare Stomper may be the best solution. Appearances aside, the thing works. Some GPS units come with shallow glare hoods, maybe half an inch, and they are a waste of time. This thing, which is several inches deep, truely allows perfect viewing of a color GPS in any lighting conditions. Anybody who owns a color GPS and uses it on a motorcycle or in the direct sun anywhere should look into getting one.
Note the Dual Lock disc under the cradle. The big locking knob keeps people from walking away with your GPS....but only if you use the annoying "security screw" on the cradle.
Note the Dual Lock disc under the cradle. The big locking knob keeps people from walking away with your GPS....but only if you use the annoying "security screw" on the cradle.
You know that picture worth a thousand words? This is it: screen in direct sunlight.
You know that picture worth a thousand words? This is it: screen in direct sunlight.
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security knob just keeps honest people away, fear of worthless people grabbing and ripping with what ever pulls off ! People have replaced the ram connector knob, with allen bolts, harder to remove then simple knob.
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Update: Cloud-out
When I took the above pictures, it was in direct sunlight and a dazzling blue sky. As I drove through the day, the weather changed and I learned something about the Zumo.

To be specific, it got cloudy. Now, you might think that a cloudy sky would be less of a strain on a GPS screen than bright sunshine, but with the partly-obscured sun behind me, the screen washed out to nothing. Again.

WTF? That's impossible! I have a glare hood over the screen, the sun is alsmot hidden, and my body is directly between the sun and the GPS.

And then it hit me what was happening. The Zumo screen was reflecting the clouds. No amount of hooding is going to overcome that. Nothing, in fact, short of either driving only in clear skies or positioning the GPS truly at eye level (i.e. at the top of the windshield) is going to completely eliminate this. So I am still not completely satisfied with the ability to see the Zumo screen, but that is in no way the Glare Stomper's fault!

P.S. The security knob doesn't keep a passerby from stealing your Zumo (at least not the 550) unless the PITA security screw is installed. And the security screw, which requires you to carry around a little special screwdriver and tighten down a tiny screw that is impossible to even see at night, doesn;t keep a passerby from stealing your GPS unless you bought and installed a security knob. Oh well.
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I have a glare stomper and it does help and is worth the cost. Not perfect in all conditions and yes a bit floppy. Another benefit is it will fold down and stay there with velcro to protect the screen of the GPS. This is handy when taking it off and storing under the seat, a better, but not perfect security system.
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Giving up, again
So I am throwing in the towel on the Zumo. Again.

After my cloud-reflecting observations above, I positioned the Zumo so that it is pointing at my chest. This made it flop around wildly over bumps, so I drilled a small hole in the RAM ball and through the bugscreen, and passed a screw up from under the bugscreen, through a 1/2" spacer, and into the ball. That fixed the bouncing, but now due to the angle the top part of the screen was obscured by the GlareStomper. I put an additional tab of velcro on the top of the Zumo at the very rear, so I can stick the top of the GlareStomper to the back and thus angle the entire GlareStomper back a little. Now I can see the entire screen, which is pointing at me and not the sky.

So today, when I went out in the bright sunshine, I couldn't see the Zumo screen at all. WTF? Is the GlareStomper blocking the sun from striking the screen? Check. Is the Zumo positioned low so that it cannot reflect the sky? Check.

What is going on here?

On a hunch, I pass my hand over my chest. Instantly, I can see the screen! The Zumo screen is so highly reflective, it is reflecting the sky blue shirt I am wearing!

That's the last straw - I am not going to choose my goddamned WARDROBE based on the Zumo's idiosyncrasies. I've received my new (used) replacement i2, and it is going on shortly (now that I've drilled a bunch of holes in my bugscreen in an effort to find the perfect Zumo mounting location, of course).

I did at least use one of those holes to my advantage: instead of reconnecting the i2 suction cup base with a wire tie (see the thread "super-simple GPS mount"), I removed the entire suction cup apparatus, ran a 1/4"-20 screw up from the bottom of the i2 windshield mount through the hole created by removing the suction cup, through one of the holes I had drilled in the bugscreen, and topped it off with a RAM 1" ball (using the ball as a big locknut). This way, not only is my i2 absolutely secure under the bugscreen, I have a RAM ball on top of the bugscreen in case I ever want to, yes you guessed it, try some other experiment with the Zumo.

I must emphasize that none of the foregoing is in any way the fault of the GlareStomper, which continues to work exactly as advertised.
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I have to say that after taking this hood out for a few rides I am not that impressed. 90% of the time it did not work. When it is at the right angle it's fantastic, but that has been a rare occasion. Honestly it's a flop from my perspective ;(
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You know, I use the Zumo 550 on four different bikes in all different weather conditions, without any glare hood whatsoever. I don't remember ever having a problem with the glare from the sun.

Just a datapoint...
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Is it possible - just throwing this out there - that the Zumo has come with different kinds of screens? I've had two, one that died and Garmin replaced it with a remanufacture, and they both were horrible in the sun (but not as bad as a TomTom Rider). And I've had others, like a TomTom Go, that were fine.

MVT, did you confirm that what you are seeing really is glare from the hood (which is what the GlareStomper targets) and not the kinds of reflections I am bitching about (which the GlareStomper could not possibly do anything about)?

On the other hand...if you cannot see your screen without the GlareStomper and you still can't see it with the GlareStomper, then I guess I'd have to agree that's a good reason to avoid the product, regardless of whether or not the problem is the GlareStomper's fault.
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I really can't say I had confirmed what the exact problem was, but if I get glare/reflections, then it isn't doing a good job. When stopped I put my hand around it at different angles and at times I could see part of the screen.

In general the idea should work. I tried to build something like it myself out of plastic, but never got too far. I know that when I am riding I don't have the luxury of putting my hand over the hood to extend it. Perhaps it may work better in the fall when the sun is lower?

I bought it, so I will use it, but it's a fail for me in summer time use. I will keep an eye out for the reflection thingy and let you know when I take my bike out tomorrow. Nerd emoticon

Here is the unit and how I used it on my RV250, and yes my baby MP3 is right next to it!
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You know, I use the Zumo 550 on four different bikes in all different weather conditions, without any glare hood whatsoever. I don't remember ever having a problem with the glare from the sun.

Just a datapoint...
Jess I totally agree, I've put thousands of miles on mine on several different bikes mounted in different positions and never experienced any of those issues. I'm thinking there's something very wrong with his particular unit and nothing is going to cure whatever it is. Time for a heart-to-heart talk with Garmin and Company.

Also the so called "security" screw is not meant to be an anti-theft device, it's just a way to help keep the GPS from falling off the bike. Even the locking knob for RAM mounts can be defeated in seconds by a skilled crook. The only real protection is to take the darn thing with you when you're going to be out of sight.

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However, that's hardly line-of-sight, and I consider it a safety issue to be taking my eyes off the road to see my speed (the main thing we use a GPS for on an MP3!)

Jeff,

I'm totally knocked over by your comment above. If what you say is true there has to be something seriously wrong with your eyes. You haven't said but do you wear prescription glasses that cause you to read slower than those with normal vision?

If it isn't something like that then your fear of taking your eyes off the road long enough to read the speed display on a GPS is unfounded. You don't have to be a jet pilot or race driver to read speed displays, all that's required are normal ordinary eye movement along with the ability to read and process numbers. The brief amount of time required is less than a second.

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We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one, Larry. Let me reduce it to the ridiculous: would you agree that having a speed displayed directly line-of-sight, say like a fighter pilot's HUD with the speed information directly in front of you, REDUCES safety? If not - and I am assuming your agree that it would not be a reduction in safety - then could you conceive of a situation, any situation imaginable - looking away even for a second could conceivably reduce safety? How about looking for speed while threading between two cars on a tight turn at high speed? If your answer is yes, and I assume it is, then on balance, having a GPS at eye level is by definitiion safer.

Now, I do concede that this is an absurd comparison, and the increased safety in having a GPS at eye-level may not be 100% or 50% but perhaps 0.00001%. Nonetheless, we all get to make our own judgements about what level of personal risk is acceptable for ourselves. You are well aware that there have been people on this very forum who have declared that any GPS on a bike is dangerous to the point of - I believe this is a direct quote - being "crazy." That person was entitled to his opinion, as are we all. I did not say that others should find a non-eye level GPS a safety hazard, I merely said I find it so, especially if it is a risk that I can easily mitigate.
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jess wrote:
You know, I use the Zumo 550 on four different bikes in all different weather conditions, without any glare hood whatsoever. I don't remember ever having a problem with the glare from the sun.

Just a datapoint...
Being a empeethreenewbie, I read this review and thought I'd need the Glare Stomper for my Zumo 550. I even mounted the Velcro on the GPS. But I have yet to encounter a situation where I couldn't see the screen. (I have the brightness cranked up all the way -- and that's just fine.) So now my GPS has a neatly trimmed beard, and the Glare Stomper is (probably) in that plastic bin with other Piaggio goodies waiting for installation or leftover after installation.

Bottom line: Don't worry about this "solution" unless you actually have a problem.

Regarding mounting...For the ball mount I elected to use four SS metric button head cap screws, with SS fender washers under the lock nuts. I wanted to spread out the load on that flimsy plastic screen thingy. I can see no advantage to using the RAM single screw ball mount. Any suggestions about stiffening up the stock plastic shield/screen?
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Just so; I was previously using the RAM "disc" mount with three screws and lock washers run through the /500's bugscreen. I agree that the single ball attached to the bugscreen is too flimsy for regular use.

As I said, I wound up having to run another screw (a thin, self-tapping machine screw) thru a spacer between the bugscreen and one of the balls to help overcome the tendency of the whole thing to bounce over bumps. Previously, I had the disc screwed down to the center of the handlebar, which was VERY secure and if you don't have an issue with glare (which in that position a GlareStomper will definitely not help with, since it is pointing straight up at you) and don't demand it to be line-of-sight (sorry in advance Larry) is probably the best mounting location of all, short of a custom fancy mount like mjm50cal did - you can even route the power right up through the handlebar center, something you can't do with a handlebar or brake bracket mount. BTW you don't say which scooter you have, I don't know how or if you could mount a disc ball to the handlebar center of an MP3 other than the /500.

I must say that after the flood of responses of people not needing glare reduction, I am really wondering about the screen of my Zumo (and also the Zumo it replaced...surely not really possible for two "defects" in a row, but perhaps they went through a version release that shared a screen with poor visibility). I visited of couple of different review sites and again saw diametrically opposite opinions: one said "Most touchscreens lose its visibility in the sunlight, but not the Zumo"' another said "the glare when in direct sunlight meant it was difficult to read. To be fair to Garmin it is much better than a normal Nav system with UV filters and anti glare coatings but the early spring sunlight was just too much." This if anything strngthens my suspicion that there has been more than one display version in production.

P.S. I haven't tried this so just passing it along, but GlareStomper claims to have a no-questions money-back policy.
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We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one, Larry. Let me reduce it to the ridiculous: would you agree that having a speed displayed directly line-of-sight, say like a fighter pilot's HUD with the speed information directly in front of you, REDUCES safety? If not - and I am assuming your agree that it would not be a reduction in safety - then could you conceive of a situation, any situation imaginable - looking away even for a second could conceivably reduce safety? How about looking for speed while threading between two cars on a tight turn at high speed? If your answer is yes, and I assume it is, then on balance, having a GPS at eye level is by definitiion safer.

Your MP3 ain't no jet fighter dude, in fact it's not even remotely in the same arena. It's a silly comparison, on the street in traffic or out in the boonies, riding a bike just doesn't require the same attention span. Normal eyesight and normal mental processing negates the need for what you're doing. A Heads-UP-Device might make you feel more secure but in truth it's not needed, not if you can manage a bit more confidence in your abilities.

And why in hell would anyone be looking at his speed display while threading between cars at high speed? Not likely I'd say and that equates to zip risk if it isn't a credible scenario. Either that or you might agree there's no fix for stupidity.

If worrying about every single risk to the most minute factor makes one feel warm and fuzzy that's fine but no matter how you slice it, it's unrealistic at best and impractical in a real world sense. Yes I guess I'd agree to disagree but until you can demostrate how doing what you're doing with that weird vibration-prone mounting for your GPS I'll stick with what works.



Now, I do concede that this is an absurd comparison, and the increased safety in having a GPS at eye-level may not be 100% or 50% but perhaps 0.00001%. Nonetheless, we all get to make our own judgements about what level of personal risk is acceptable for ourselves. You are well aware that there have been people on this very forum who have declared that any GPS on a bike is dangerous to the point of - I believe this is a direct quote - being "crazy." That person was entitled to his opinion, as are we all. I did not say that others should find a non-eye level GPS a safety hazard, I merely said I find it so, especially if it is a risk that I can easily mitigate.

Re. the above, my response could be long and complex. Rather than that I'll quote from a small sign that was prominently displayed over my desk for years: "Blind 'em with brilliance or baffle 'em with bullshit"

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You know, I use the Zumo 550 on four different bikes in all different weather conditions, without any glare hood whatsoever. I don't remember ever having a problem with the glare from the sun.

Just a datapoint...
I just use it on the one, but my GPS is higher and angled differently, more closer to 90 degree vert.
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I may try one of these, but I think my problem is less about glare and more about my aging eyes and their ability to see things up close!

I have it mounted on the hangle bar on the right side. I would like to move it to the dash (little further away, easier to see...), but haven't studied the alternatives for doing so close enough to consider it.
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You know, I use the Zumo 550 on four different bikes in all different weather conditions, without any glare hood whatsoever. I don't remember ever having a problem with the glare from the sun.

Just a datapoint...
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