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Pillion Pegs, a New Approach. Up Date, Read all about it.

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rjeffb Bracketmeister Bracketmeister Emeritus (retired) Joined: UTC Posts: 2519 Location: New Jersey	UTC quote I've been wondering that myself, Fay. Somewhere somebody posted about a child seat for the MP3 made by Givi that incorporates simple strap stirrups and I've been thinking, why would that not work for an adult?

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BravoTwoFour Ossessionato '09 Mp3-500 - Gone Now Joined: UTC Posts: 2065 Location: Happy Valley, Oregon	UTC quote Awesome setup, Mike, great solution and execution! Anxious to hear how a long ride two-up works out with them. You do your own welding? I may have missed the answer to that earlier in the thread...

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Fay Presto wrote:

Wonderful detail and fine engineering.

In line with finding easy mods, I was wondering if putting a stirrup at each end of a strap and throwing it over the pet carrier before closing the saddle might offer a quick fix. Less elegant but......

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Would work as long as you made it so when you put weight on the right stirup, it doesn't raise the left one. That seems very feasible.

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Awesome setup, Mike, great solution and execution! Anxious to hear how a long ride two-up works out with them.

You do your own welding? I may have missed the answer to that earlier in the thread...

My neighbor Dan welds it. He's relatively new at it, but I can create at will. I help him with anything he needs too.

I can't wait to ride with her on a longer ride again.

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Gene_Valjean Hooked MP3 400 Joined: UTC Posts: 130 Location: Clovis, Ca	UTC quote Bravo! I haven't taken my wife on a long ride yet, but I foresee her needing something like this eventually. Really, top notch stuff.

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old as dirt Veni, Vidi, Posti 2007 GTS Joined: UTC Posts: 22793 Location: Harriman, Tennessee, Tn	UTC quote rjeffb wrote: I've been wondering that myself, Fay. Somewhere somebody posted about a child seat for the MP3 made by Givi that incorporates simple strap stirrups and I've been thinking, why would that not work for an adult? I would not use those at all. think about it if at any time some one needs off they will get 1 foot hung up and boom there you go.

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G03 Molto Verboso MP3 500 08 Joined: UTC Posts: 1560 Location: Toms River area, New Jersey	UTC quote Very nice job. Not looking into the details, couldn't the pipe be mounted underneath with min. loss of clearance? or does the stand hit it. Devils advocate; just have to remember passengers feet are out wider then your legs in traffic.

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OP mjm50cal Ossessionato Red MP3 500 RUBY DRAGON Joined: UTC Posts: 2626 Location: Northern CA	UTC quote The pipe doesn't touch anything. Only the tips of the pegs might touch at max lean angle.

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Fay Presto Addicted Piaggio Mp3250 Joined: UTC Posts: 605 Location: London	UTC quote [] I would not use those at all. think about it if at any time some one needs off they will get 1 foot hung up and boom there you go.[/quote] Could organise a breakout, or could ride 'English' style with toes in stirrup, rather than arch of foot, but let's not get all axe in the ceiling here. fay

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OP mjm50cal Ossessionato Red MP3 500 RUBY DRAGON Joined: UTC Posts: 2626 Location: Northern CA	UTC quote GO3, take a look at the picture from the rear. The pegs stick out ,ore, but not that much. It is something I am concious of.

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Phillip..P. Smith Molto Verboso Piaggio mp3 500 Joined: UTC Posts: 1312 Location: Longview,Texas 75604	UTC quote How did the foot peg work out?

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Very good! My daughter and wife love them. It made it significantly more comfortable for them as it gives them something to push off of.
One issue I had was that the part of the peg that bolted to the mount I made was very sharp. If I rounded off the stock ones it would have rusted. So I had my neighbor fabricate some stainless steal ones
and rounded off the ends. I am considering making another one with 4 attachment points instead of just 3.

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BravoTwoFour Ossessionato '09 Mp3-500 - Gone Now Joined: UTC Posts: 2065 Location: Happy Valley, Oregon	UTC quote I again applaud your ingenuity on this, Mike! Another thumb's up!! I think I am going to have to do the same soon; the pads I made up work well around town but out on the highway she needs to extend the knees more.

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Phillip..P. Smith Molto Verboso Piaggio mp3 500 Joined: UTC Posts: 1312 Location: Longview,Texas 75604	UTC quote Do you think you could make one for me and let me pay you for it?

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OP mjm50cal Ossessionato Red MP3 500 RUBY DRAGON Joined: UTC Posts: 2626 Location: Northern CA	UTC quote Made some changes. Here are some pics. Took these off. Reinforced the front so I now have 4 points of contact and less side to side give. You can really see how it is mounted.

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GonzoB Addicted Previously:Fuoco 500ie with Active Suspension. Now: CTX700 Joined: UTC Posts: 663 Location: Sydney, Australia	UTC quote That's really neat work Mike. I particularly like the use of the electrical mounting rail (I forget the proper name of the stuff). Gonzo

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OP mjm50cal Ossessionato Red MP3 500 RUBY DRAGON Joined: UTC Posts: 2626 Location: Northern CA	UTC quote UniStrut, SuperStrut, and another name I can't remember. By the way, this is the same location that the TowPac attaches to.

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Bikemor Hooked 2009 MP3 500, Red. Had MP3 250, Barron 150 Retro Joined: UTC Posts: 302 Location: Ossining, NY	UTC quote very nice well done.

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MotoScootNL Member MP3 400 2009 Joined: UTC Posts: 31 Location: Brussels	UTC quote Weight? How much weight is added to the MP3 with this masterpiece of engineering

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OP mjm50cal Ossessionato Red MP3 500 RUBY DRAGON Joined: UTC Posts: 2626 Location: Northern CA	UTC quote Re: Weight? MotoScootNL wrote: How much weight is added to the MP3 with this masterpiece of engineering I didn't weigh it but I would say around 12 lbs overall. With a lot of that coming from the pegs themselves, talk about overkill.

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mjm50cal wrote:

rjeffb wrote:

With all due respect to OAD, B24, and other innovators, mjm seems to be the only one of us to have a genuine solution, with the passenger's feet in the optimum position.

A few challenges Mike,

1. Is there any way the peg plates (or at least the left plate) could be detachable and the tube feed through the security link so the link would not have to be sawed off?

2. What about angling the tube back a few degrees? You would gain a much-needed inch or two of calf clearance without significantly changing the passenger's extension; it's true that the tube won't transmit force straight down anymore but it looks like the actual force already includes a forward component anyway. Of course, if clearance requires an extra bend that's complicating the forming process.

1. Not really. I didn't want to have to saw it off but saw immediately that it was necessary to be able to tuck the bars in that little nook area. Deb said that she would have been OK with having the pegs even wider. Making that "U" wider is not an issue, but will affect the max lean angle, depending on your cruising style or Dragon running. I didn't want limitations.

2. If the tube is angled forward or aft it will need to be wider. There is definately enough room above the mounting plate for a 3/4" pipe. Which you might want if you go wider. Wider may be necessary for people with different builds. You need to take into consideration passengers leg length, thigh size in combination with the riders girth(I like big butts and I cannot lie........).

If the section under the scoot was a hollow pipe and the peg section fit tight then a quick release pin could be installed by drilling through the mated tube and rod.

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14perry wrote:

mjm50cal wrote:

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If the section under the scoot was a hollow pipe and the peg section fit tight then a quick release pin could be installed by drilling through the mated tube and rod.

Yes. I thought of that, and desire it. Square tubing would be great for that, but a lot more welding to get from horizontal to vertical.

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14perry Ossessionato MP3 400 / BV250 Joined: UTC Posts: 3809 Location: San Diego, California	UTC quote Square tubing under the scoot. Square solid stock for the bent peg section. Heated up and bent, only weld the part where the foot peg attaches.

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michelle_7728 Hooked Two - 2009 Genuine Buddy 125s Joined: UTC Posts: 387 Location: Renton WA	UTC quote mjm50cal: Awesome job! If you are still looking for ideas for quick release, I wonder if something like this would work?

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MotoScootNL Member MP3 400 2009 Joined: UTC Posts: 31 Location: Brussels	UTC quote Re: Weight? mjm50cal wrote: MotoScootNL wrote: How much weight is added to the MP3 with this masterpiece of engineering I didn't weigh it but I would say around 12 lbs overall. With a lot of that coming from the pegs themselves, talk about overkill. That shouldn't lower the lateral point that much.

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mjm50cal wrote:

Made some changes. Here are some pics.
You can really see how it is mounted.

Not being a mechanical/construction engineer, two things I'm wondering about:
- Strength of detachable tube.
What forces is it able to resist (Top to down, Back to front, outside to inside)?
- If the set of detachable tubes were to be moved backwards, could placement in an angle resolve the security link issue, will they be placed behind it?

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Square tubing under the scoot. Square solid stock for the bent peg section. Heated up and bent, only weld the part where the foot peg attaches.

That would definately work. With a 3/4",7/8", or 1" square solid. The two factor choices being able to handle the expected forces (I think the 3/4" would be iffy)and the other being a tight fit with the square tubing you are inserting it into.
With the square stuff, you don't need to worry about the detachable pin or elongating the hole on the tube over time.

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MotoScootNL wrote:

mjm50cal wrote:

Made some changes. Here are some pics.
You can really see how it is mounted.

- Strength of tube with 1/8" wall thickness would be plenty.
- I don't know the force values, but I work with all kinds of structures and have been exposed to many types of installations of which I am legally responsible for. If it won't handle it, I won't do it!
- I don't understand what your asking on the last one, but if you wanted to move the tube rearward, you could. You might get a benefit from it but, it could create other issues.

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mjm50cal wrote:

MotoScootNL wrote:

- If the set of detachable tubes were to be moved backwards, could placement in an angle resolve the security link issue, will they be placed behind it?

- I don't understand what your asking on the last one, but if you wanted to move the tube rearward, you could. You might get a benefit from it but, it could create other issues.

I meant this:
To allow for same position of footrest, whilst moving the lowest point of the tube backwards, you need to place it under an angle. I cannot juge if space under MP3 allows for it. A possible benefit not having to get rid of the security eye.

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MotoScootNL wrote:

I meant this:
To allow for same position of footrest, whilst moving the lowest point of the tube backwards, you need to place it under an angle. I cannot judge if space under MP3 allows for it. A possible benefit not having to get rid of the security eye.

I see it clearly now!
Maybe, if you move the tube back and weld the plate that the peg mounts to in a different manner it is most likely possible.
At the time I did mine I wanted to keep the plastic splash guard. As time goes on I find that less important.

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OP mjm50cal Ossessionato Red MP3 500 RUBY DRAGON Joined: UTC Posts: 2626 Location: Northern CA	UTC quote Found another benefit. I always had problems with a particular traffic light trying to turn left off of a local highway. It would never turn green for me. Since I bolted the plate on the bottom, there has been no problem. Works every time now.

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Tross Addicted MP3 500, Lambretta GP TS1 225 Joined: UTC Posts: 620 Location: Toronto, Ont	UTC quote Re: Found another benefit. mjm50cal wrote: I always had problems with a particular traffic light trying to turn left off of a local highway. It would never turn green for me. Since I bolted the plate on the bottom, there has been no problem. Works every time now. Think of it, you could sell just the plate and market it as the "stop light/skid plate changer" Cheers, Tross

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Re: Found another benefit.

Tross wrote:

mjm50cal wrote:

I always had problems with a particular traffic light trying to turn left off of a local highway. It would never turn green for me. Since I bolted the plate on the bottom, there has been no problem. Works every time now.

Think of it, you could sell just the plate and market it as the "stop light/skid plate changer"

Cheers,
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