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Hello! New to this forum but it came highly recommended. My father gave me a 1980 Vespa P200E for my birthday. He's had it for almost 15-20 years and never ran it. It just sat in his shed. A friend got it running and I've putted it around the yard a bit but the engine makes a noise that can only be described as a dry bearing type of sound. Other than that it just needs some minor tweaking here and there, some wiring and some new tires and it should be good to go. But I am concerned about that scritchy "dry" noise its making. Any ideas?
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no offense, but if its making a dry metal on metal noise i would not be running it at all. i mean, it has sat for 15 years.
do you know what you have got yourself into? have any pics? |
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tommylittlescooter wrote: check gear oil ? |
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Hey Barry. Welcome to MV. I'm your friend who got it started. Astromags is my profile name.
Hey guys, Barry's scooter is the one I posted about having a "stuck" piston a couple of weeks ago. Barry, I forgot to tell you, I did drain the old gear oil and replace it with SAE 30non detergent oil. It may be just a hair low, because I ran out. Just fill it until it over flows. |
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If it is dried out in there, what is the solution to get it lubed up?
Right now it's got a tank of premixed fuel in it. I put that in since we weren't sure if the oil pump is working. Will that oil eventually spread around in there or what? Obviously we don't want to burn it up. |
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astromags wrote: If it is dried out in there, what is the solution to get it lubed up? Right now it's got a tank of premixed fuel in it. I put that in since we weren't sure if the oil pump is working. Will that oil eventually spread around in there or what? Obviously we don't want to burn it up. The 2T oil actually doesn't get back into the gearbox to lube things. It stays in the top end (or is supposed to if the clutchside seal is good). It will lube the piston and the crankshaft bearings. For the cause of the noise, then, it may be that rather than being dry, the bearings are pitted and/or worn. |
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The clutch plates are only splash lubed so may be dry, do you have the noise when the vehicle is on the stand or when moving. Grumpy |
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Grumpy wrote: Hello The clutch plates are only splash lubed so may be dry, do you have the noise when the vehicle is on the stand or when moving. Grumpy |
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[size=12][/size]Thanks for all the info. The noise is always there while the engine is running and doesnt change when I engage the clutch.
The noise is a "scritchity-scritchity-scritchity" sound that increases in frequency with the RPM's. I'm beginning to think it is a corroded/pitted bearing. Any further info/suggestions will be appreciated. |
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before you start pulling it apart go give ya dad a slap for not firing it up now n then ..... than give him a hug as thats one cool prezzy to get
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NAh...Not gonna do that. Pop's is in his 80's now(besides, he can probably still kick my tuckus). He picked up that scooter back when he thought his health and his legs would come back 100% so I'm not faulting him for not taking better care of it. He claims it was running whe he got it but I'd suspect he was using a broad definition of the term "running." Who knows, it might have been making that sound when he bought it. And yes it is just about the coolest present you could get.
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Hey Barry, why don't you post a video of the engine running? Get down there and see if you can figure out exactly where it's coming from, and record a little, so the gurus can comment.
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Grumpy wrote: Hello Long shot here check (carefully) if the fan is rubbing on the shroud. Grumpy |
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Grumpy wrote: Hello Long shot here check (carefully) if the fan is rubbing on the shroud. Grumpy |
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Len Smith wrote: I'd check this first too, flywheel rubbing against the flywheel cover. As far as a tank full of premix AND an autolube = bad. It won't run as you'll be super super rich. Figure out if the autolube is working (hint - they usually are. Autolubes go bad about as often as the bones of wolly mammoths are found.) |
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Will check the flywheel more closely but I dont think thats it. I fired it up this evening and I did notice a slight noise when I engaged the clutch but it didnt change the scritchy noise. I shot some video of it running but I am functionally computer illiterate so I'll have to get the Mrs. to show me (again) how to post pics and video. Will probably be tomorrow.
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The Mrs. doesnt ride....Yet. She fell in love with a Honda Metropolitan and a hot pink new Vespa last weekend.
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This is the video of my P200E engine running and the funny sound it's making. Have not had a chance to pull the fan shroud off to see if anything is rubbing. I'm working this weekend and limited to 'before dark'. I'll try to take it apart and troubleshoot next weekend. But give her a listen, see what you think.
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Seriously, please watch the video of my Vespa's engine making that noise and let me know what you think. Thanks.
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I cant hear it and it seems like it is already diagnosed as crank bearings, but is it possible that the brakes are sticking a little and rubbing? I've had that happen in my car after it sat for a long time.
Again, I cant hear the video. |
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Nope, definitely not the brakes. Makes the sound when on the stand with the engine running. Almost positive its the bearings. A machinist friend(a non scooterist) suggested that before tearing the engine apart, that I fill up the lower end with Slick-50 or some other super lube, drain it all out and see if it doesnt improve the sound. That perhaps the bearings are just varnished up instead of corroded from its long term humidity filled storage. Hmmm...I dont know about that. I'd like this scooter to be a dependable, possibly long distance ride. So I'm probably just going to bite the bullet and rebuild the lower end, and since it'll be apart why dont I just........
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What better way to get to know your engine.
I'm going to getting a little more intimate with mine soon. I'm going to changing out the cruciform soon. |
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Since I'm new to Vespas, I need to read up on what needs to be done before I get knee deep in this project and realize that I dont know what the heck I'm doing.
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Someone said " If you rebuild a carburetor or a VW engine enought times, the spare parts that you have left over after each rebuild will be enough to build another complete carburetor and VW engine!" I dont want that to be the case with this Vespa. All though another Vespa would be nice.
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B. Lackey wrote: Someone said " If you rebuild a carburetor or a VW engine enought times, the spare parts that you have left over after each rebuild will be enough to build another complete carburetor and VW engine!" I dont want that to be the case with this Vespa. All though another Vespa would be nice. |
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Like some others, I'm guessing the flywheel cover is rubbing on the flywheel.
Looks like the cover is slitghtly dented. Shot bearings wouldn't be that loud. |
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