Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:26 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 6498
Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 6498
Location: Nashville
Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:26 am linkquote
Cdevillasante wrote:
well this popped up! seems bodgy and the description is funny "These scooters now are very rare. The excellent original condition examples are worth up to $10,000 now. " and the color!
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/mcy/7536336937.html
Painted the extremely desirable Peptobismolto Scuro, too!

Also, it's untitled in California. "I have know[sp] idea of what it takes to get a new Title and get it registered."
Translation: "I couldn't count high enough to work out the necessary fees at the DMV."
Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:48 pm

Hooked
Yellow GTS 300 Super, Black GTS 300 Super Sport, Polaris Grey Rally 200, Blue Marine Primavera ET3, Coral Red 50 Special
Joined: 14 Aug 2020
Posts: 225
Location: London
 
Hooked
Yellow GTS 300 Super, Black GTS 300 Super Sport, Polaris Grey Rally 200, Blue Marine Primavera ET3, Coral Red 50 Special
Joined: 14 Aug 2020
Posts: 225
Location: London
Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:48 pm linkquote
Barn find !!


[url] https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234699003201?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=OsvpAyvSTZe&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY[/url]

And you have to o buy 2 scooters with non running engines that have only got less than 300 miles.
Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:41 pm

Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 1098
Location: Philadelphia
 
Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 1098
Location: Philadelphia
Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:41 pm linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
Painted the extremely desirable Peptobismolto Scuro, too!

Also, it's untitled in California. "I have know[sp] idea of what it takes to get a new Title and get it registered."
Translation: "I couldn't count high enough to work out the necessary fees at the DMV."
Hey now the cables were adjusted at least…. And still couldn't get the neutral to line up
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:27 am

Ossessionato
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 3047
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
Ossessionato
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 3047
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:27 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
Painted the extremely desirable Peptobismolto Scuro, too!

Also, it's untitled in California. "I have know[sp] idea of what it takes to get a new Title and get it registered."
Translation: "I couldn't count high enough to work out the necessary fees at the DMV."
Previous owner "That was stolen years ago, I would like my scooter back"
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:09 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 6498
Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 6498
Location: Nashville
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:09 am linkquote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
Previous owner "That was stolen years ago, I would like my scooter back"
Maybe so, but I seriously doubt *anyone* wants that scooter back.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:38 am

Addicted
1968 VBB150
Joined: 04 Nov 2015
Posts: 610
Location: OC
 
Addicted
1968 VBB150
Joined: 04 Nov 2015
Posts: 610
Location: OC
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:38 am linkquote
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/mcy/d/azusa-1965-vespa-150/7534320905.html

Looks like they used a saltwater based primer.



Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:44 am

Hooked
Parmakit Primavera -74, Polini Primavera -68, Stock 150 Touring -59, VMC 177 Bajaj Chetak 125 -95
Joined: 22 Jun 2022
Posts: 388
Location: Finland
 
Hooked
Parmakit Primavera -74, Polini Primavera -68, Stock 150 Touring -59, VMC 177 Bajaj Chetak 125 -95
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Location: Finland
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:44 am linkquote
All of these bodges seem to have one thing in common: They just don't work, always something needing to be fixed on the engine
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 6498
Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 6498
Location: Nashville
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:46 am linkquote
dsnyder586 wrote:
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/mcy/d/azusa-1965-vespa-150/7534320905.html

Looks like they used a saltwater based primer.
I kind've love where he started to sand down the scratches after he laid it down that time he got it running. Lookit that bondo!



Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:36 am

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6524
Location: So Cal
 
bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6524
Location: So Cal
Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:36 am linkquote
That kickstart lever doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.



Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:40 am

Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 6498
Location: Nashville
 
Lucky
76 Sprint V, 63 GL, 62 VBB, 05 Stella, 66 Smallstate, 08 Stella (for now)
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 6498
Location: Nashville
Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:40 am linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
That kickstart lever doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.
Put a splint on it, then stay off it for six weeks, it'll be fine.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:45 am

Addicted
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 574
Location: York, PA
 
Addicted
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 574
Location: York, PA
Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:45 am linkquote
So, he laid it over. Scuffed the cowl. Broke the kick starter. And likely a bunch of stuff inside, which is why it won't shift. But it is in "excellent condition".
Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:55 am

Addicted
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 574
Location: York, PA
 
Addicted
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 574
Location: York, PA
Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:55 am linkquote
Someone from this forum should start a paid consulting service for noob Vespa buyers.

$50 and you get a visual review and written value analysis of pictures of the intended purchase. You could market it on both eBay and Facebook, using really great looking but really fucked bodges. With a headline: "Thinking about buying this scooter?"
Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:31 am

Ossessionato
P208, Stella VMC Stelvio 187, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9A1T, V9B1T, 02 Sportster XLH1208
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3985
Location: Staten Island, NY
 
Ossessionato
P208, Stella VMC Stelvio 187, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9A1T, V9B1T, 02 Sportster XLH1208
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Posts: 3985
Location: Staten Island, NY
Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:31 am linkquote
I think this thread is a free version of that. Unfortunately most only find this thread after the fact.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:05 pm

Addicted
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 574
Location: York, PA
 
Addicted
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
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Posts: 574
Location: York, PA
Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:05 pm linkquote
I love how there's a picture of him showing you that there actually is not a tire inside the tire cover.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:39 pm

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11797
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11797
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:39 pm linkquote
garncarz wrote:
Someone from this forum should start a paid consulting service for noob Vespa buyers.

$50 and you get a visual review and written value analysis of pictures of the intended purchase. You could market it on both eBay and Facebook, using really great looking but really fucked bodges. With a headline: "Thinking about buying this scooter?"
I have a huge rant about this (that I currently don't have time to write) but it boils down to a few key factors: people still think scooters are toys. nobody likes to admit they done got smoked. everybody thinks they know better. why do I need an expert (they're toys after all). most are purchased on a whim and the thought is what's the worst that can happen-- they're valuable so I can always sell it for what I bought it for.

in the end, nobody wants to do their due diligence, which cracks me the fuck up--- you're dropping 2K plus for something and you're not even gonna do the most precursory research? and nobody wants to pay OR be patient. it's all about that cheap instant gratification.

but I do inspections ALL the time, and I'm not very expensive. helped some people dodge some real bullets, others negotiate a better buy, facilitated a better selling price or get somebody into the bike that they should have not the bike that they "want".
Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:51 pm

Addicted
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 574
Location: York, PA
 
Addicted
1964 Piaggio Allstate Cruisaire
Joined: 15 Aug 2021
Posts: 574
Location: York, PA
Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:51 pm linkquote
I wasn't trying to be an asshole. I just think so many people see a nice shiny scooter and are in way over their head before they realize it. I think it would be a service to get out in front of the buying process. Frankly, if you lose some money who cares? That being said, a lot of these bodges are just plain old dangerous. Hopefully I didn't come across the wrong way.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:27 pm

Ossessionato
P208, Stella VMC Stelvio 187, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9A1T, V9B1T, 02 Sportster XLH1208
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3985
Location: Staten Island, NY
 
Ossessionato
P208, Stella VMC Stelvio 187, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9A1T, V9B1T, 02 Sportster XLH1208
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3985
Location: Staten Island, NY
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:27 pm linkquote
garncarz wrote:
I wasn't trying to be an asshole. I just think so many people see a nice shiny scooter and are in way over their head before they realize it. I think it would be a service to get out in front of the buying process. Frankly, if you lose some money who cares? That being said, a lot of these bodges are just plain old dangerous. Hopefully I didn't come across the wrong way.
That would require seeking out the service offered to begin with. What greasy is saying is most couldn't be bothered to do the most basic Google search to compare images and find solid info on the scooters they are looking at. If they can't be bothered to do basic research prior to dropping cash, they most certainly can't be bothered to drop cash on advice prior to dropping cash on the thing itself!

The info is available, and the people willing to advise are here and elsewhere readily available. I'm sure there are a decent amount who do find this info and save themselves headaches. But we only hear of the negative results of not doing the research here after the fact, cause if you saved yourself by reading this thread and doing the research, then you aren't here posting about it.

Both this forum and greasy have been invaluable for many including myself in this area.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:31 pm

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11797
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11797
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:31 pm linkquote
garncarz wrote:
I wasn't trying to be an asshole. I just think so many people see a nice shiny scooter and are in way over their head before they realize it. I think it would be a service to get out in front of the buying process. Frankly, if you lose some money who cares? That being said, a lot of these bodges are just plain old dangerous. Hopefully I didn't come across the wrong way.
I didn't think you were being an asshole at all! no offense taken whatsoever in any kind, sort or form.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:32 pm

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11797
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11797
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:32 pm linkquote
swiss1939 wrote:
That would require seeking out the service offered to begin with. What greasy is saying is most couldn't be bothered to do the most basic Google search to compare images and find solid info on the scooters they are looking at. If they can't be bothered to do basic research prior to dropping cash, they most certainly can't be bothered to drop cash on advice prior to dropping cash on the thing itself!

The info is available, and the people willing to advise are here and elsewhere readily available. I'm sure there are a decent amount who do find this info and save themselves headaches. But we only hear of the negative results of not doing the research here after the fact, cause if you saved yourself by reading this thread and doing the research, then you aren't here posting about it.

Both this forum and greasy have been invaluable for many including myself in this area.
this 1000% this.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:38 pm

Ossessionato
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 3047
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
Ossessionato
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 3047
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:38 pm linkquote
garncarz wrote:
I wasn't trying to be an asshole. I just think so many people see a nice shiny scooter and are in way over their head before they realize it. I think it would be a service to get out in front of the buying process. Frankly, if you lose some money who cares? That being said, a lot of these bodges are just plain old dangerous. Hopefully I didn't come across the wrong way.
Yep, like that last Mecum auction local to me, two shiny bodges sold for $2000+ and $4000+. The good ones I wanted with no body rust or rot, old paint sold for less than $900.00.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:38 pm

Ossessionato
P208, Stella VMC Stelvio 187, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9A1T, V9B1T, 02 Sportster XLH1208
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 3985
Location: Staten Island, NY
 
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P208, Stella VMC Stelvio 187, Stella 150, VNX1T, V9A1T, V9B1T, 02 Sportster XLH1208
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Location: Staten Island, NY
Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:38 pm linkquote
Vespa Tecnica should be required reading for anyone considering purchasing a vintage Vespa, prior to purchase. Or any of the other similar books. I have the tecnica's and a few other "all Vespa models" books to pick apart images of projects in considering prior to even going to see it or talk to the seller. Go with an encyclopedia of information on the one you are looking at. Then you won't get caught off guard and will end up getting decent deals with many sellers when they realize you know more than them. Unless of course you are buying from scootnet2.net. Then you probably don't know more than the seller!
Quote:
The good ones I wanted with no body rust or rot, old paint sold for less than $900.00.
Always the case! If it's shiny I won't even bother cause it's most definitely not priced correctly and seller never willing to negotiate down to reasonable values. Not the case for the unrestored ones.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:12 pm

Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 3162
Location: Florence, OR
 
Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 3162
Location: Florence, OR
Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:12 pm linkquote
I had a guy offer me 5k for B62 today, for his daughter, who was standing right there ..

I had a nice talk with them and told them that this scooter is not for the mechanically inclined, and you need a motorcycle endorsement, and there a ton of shiny scooters that are crap from SEA. And please do your homework because 9 out of 10 older scooters are from SEA... No idea if that's true, but I wanted to get the point across.

I let her sit on it and she lit up like a beacon. Then I shared that I've held every but and bolt in my hands to ensure this thing is safe, or as safe as I can get it. She was genuinely interested and has been looking around...

Hopefully I helped stoke the scooter fire, while being realistic on ownership...
Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:03 pm

Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 1098
Location: Philadelphia
 
Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 1098
Location: Philadelphia
Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:03 pm linkquote
We'd have to somehow just get this thread to be the number one result when one googles "Vintage Vespa for sale".

The buyers are at the least typing that.
Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:48 am

Ossessionato
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 3047
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
Ossessionato
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 3047
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:48 am linkquote
qascooter wrote:
I had a guy offer me 5k for B62 today, for his daughter, who was standing right there ..

I had a nice talk with them and told them that this scooter is not for the mechanically inclined, and you need a motorcycle endorsement, and there a ton of shiny scooters that are crap from SEA. And please do your homework because 9 out of 10 older scooters are from SEA... No idea if that's true, but I wanted to get the point across.

I let her sit on it and she lit up like a beacon. Then I shared that I've held every but and bolt in my hands to ensure this thing is safe, or as safe as I can get it. She was genuinely interested and has been looking around...

Hopefully I helped stoke the scooter fire, while being realistic on ownership...
Yeah, these old scoots aren't what you purchase for just anyone and say here you go and your done. Those people should really be directed towards a twist and go. Maybe a Primavera 50cc, 150cc, Royal Alloy GT150 or 300 would be in that price range.

I got lucky in that I did a bit of research, found this place and bought a newer Stella, knowing I could get parts for it.
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